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To your point, Siri could be a lot better with context. The catch is, for Siri to get better it needs more customer information. This bumps into the privacy issue. An option to give more information may be the answer. Right now Siri's sort of hamstrung.

Yeah, well, tell that to Siri.
 
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Wow wee. Mine still can't do things like set a timer without an error.

You don't know how to set a timer properly with SIRI. Wow!

Go learn about using your product before talking crap on forum, will you?
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Hmm. I probably set 5-6 timers a day with no issues. I ask Siri a myriad of complicated questions all the time, have her run the lighting and environmental control in my house, and yes, ask her baseball questions. You must have the evil Siri who doesn't like you.

Or he just lied. Just like you, I never have problem setting timer with SIRI, on iPhone or the Watch. Neither have my wife who's a non-tech person.
 
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You don't know how to set a timer properly with SIRI. Wow!

Go learn about using your product before talking crap on forum, will you?
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Or he just lied. Just like you, I never have problem setting timer with SIRI, on iPhone or the Watch. Neither have my wife who's a non-tech person.

Or! Maybe i'm not an idiot, and it just doesn't work for me. Here's how it goes:

"Set a timer for 5 minutes"
Siri: "Setting thie timer...."
Siri: "Mark, we've had a problem. Can you please try that again?"
"Set a timer for 5 minutes"
Siri: "Setting the timer..."
Siri: "Sorry, Mark, something's gone wrong. Can you please try that again?"

Please tell me how I SHOULD be asking it to set a timer.
 
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Siri can do baseball questions now? Wow wee. Mine still can't do things like set a timer without an error. Almost anything I ask for results in a delay, followed by a google search, unless, of course, I know it's in the list of 10 questions I'm able to ask it.

Can I ask when high tide is? no. And it knows it can't. So Apple knows it can't. Why isn't there a list of un-answerable Siri questions, that Apple logs, and then lets us, the internet, craft answers. The first 5 people that ask some question get nothing, but everyone after that may get somewhere with it, without defaulting to a stupid google results list.

Siri is 10% of what it should be, and 1% of what Samuel Jackson made us think it would be.

I wish Apple would let us choose the default assistant in the same way we choose a default browser. I'd swap it out for anything else.

Yeah It's kinda depressing how Apple has let Siri languish. As for recognizing my voice, I'm a bit of a soft-spoken person who sometimes mumbles. But Siri has gotten much better for me over the years. It's rare that she doesn't understand what I said. Now does she always deliver the information I need? Nope. But at least she understands my speech, lol. It's too bad she isn't a real AI. I imagine her code more like a series of simple if this, then that logic blocks than software that is actually learning anything or customizing herself for me. So I like your suggestion of having her be smart enough, or a team at Apple seeking out sources to find answers for common questions that she gets and can't answer. Apple needs to spend a lot more time researching and developing AI that can actually learn and find information by searching the web. There were rumors a long while back that maybe later this year or sometime next year we'll hear an announcement from Apple about some crazy new search breakthrough. Otherwise Siri isn't much smarter than the day she was born. She just has a few new features. Your question about high tide is a perfect example. How can she not know this? Hopefully in iOS 10, Siri will be able to find answers at least from our apps. I think Apple made Spotlight indexing API available to developers for a reason. It's just a pain to have to have a tides app installed on your phone to find the answer to something freely available on the internet with a simple search.
 
Hmm. I probably set 5-6 timers a day with no issues. I ask Siri a myriad of complicated questions all the time, have her run the lighting and environmental control in my house, and yes, ask her baseball questions. You must have the evil Siri who doesn't like you.

I would like to do my lights, but evidently, my Hue Bridge is not in the Homekit team. I forgot when I bought it, but a Firmware update has never added the homekit shenanigans. The rest of Siri is just flaky, and I generally find it's lack of expandability as a no-go. For example, "Navigate me to work" probably uses Apple Maps, but I prefer Waze. (incidently, "Navigate Me to Work" also no longer works for me.)
 
Yeah It's kinda depressing how Apple has let Siri languish. As for recognizing my voice, I'm a bit of a soft-spoken person who sometimes mumbles. But Siri has gotten much better for me over the years. It's rare that she doesn't understand what I said. Now does she always deliver the information I need? Nope. But at least she understands my speech, lol. It's too bad she isn't a real AI. I imagine her code more like a series of simple if this, then that logic blocks than software that is actually learning anything or customizing herself for me. So I like your suggestion of having her be smart enough, or a team at Apple seeking out sources to find answers for common questions that she gets and can't answer. Apple needs to spend a lot more time researching and developing AI that can actually learn and find information by searching the web. There were rumors a long while back that maybe later this year or sometime next year we'll hear an announcement from Apple about some crazy new search breakthrough. Otherwise Siri isn't much smarter than the day she was born. She just has a few new features. Your question about high tide is a perfect example. How can she not know this? Hopefully in iOS 10, Siri will be able to find answers at least from our apps. I think Apple made Spotlight indexing API available to developers for a reason. It's just a pain to have to have a tides app installed on your phone to find the answer to something freely available on the internet with a simple search.

I agree. I'd also add that Siri needs to understand context better. Perfect example: Pulled this from Appleinsider's headline.
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Cy Young was a pitcher. Contextually, Siri should have answered with the strikeouts thrown. Siri pulled his batting stats for the 1890 season.:confused: Acumen still needs more improvement.
 
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I love this kind of thing but I have asked Siri, "Who hit the most homeruns?" and she only gives the current season stats. Either she is a fan of steroid free baseball or she needs some serious improvement.
 
Like so many others I wish Siri was a lot better :< "What was the distance of my last run?" "When did you make the latest iCloud backup?" "Turn off the music on my Apple TV" "Remind me to take my pills 5 minutes after I arrive at home" "How do you say Good Day in Swedish?". Sadly Apple thinks adding Hey Siri is enough of an upgrade for the next 2 years. I'm very disappointed.
 
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With Siri you just never know what you get and often enough it will not give you what you asked for. So why even bother? I use Siri only when I am utterly lazy and do not really care about the answer anyway.

It's too bad she isn't a real AI. I imagine her code more like a series of simple if this, then that logic blocks than software that is actually learning anything or customizing herself for me. So I like your suggestion of having her be smart enough, or a team at Apple seeking out sources to find answers for common questions that she gets and can't answer. Apple needs to spend a lot more time researching and developing AI that can actually learn and find information by searching the web.

The difference between Siri and the voice control is that Siri has a much more extensive backend with relational databases, more sophisticated query matching and a more developed voice recognition. The list of commands is just more extensive, but it is still a predefined list of commands.
 
I would like to do my lights, but evidently, my Hue Bridge is not in the Homekit team. I forgot when I bought it, but a Firmware update has never added the homekit shenanigans. The rest of Siri is just flaky, and I generally find it's lack of expandability as a no-go. For example, "Navigate me to work" probably uses Apple Maps, but I prefer Waze. (incidently, "Navigate Me to Work" also no longer works for me.)

Your Hue bridge needs a new chipset in it in order to support HomeKit, which provides a level of security that the first gen Hue hub did not. Phillips was allowing previous owners to upgrade their hub to a new HomeKit bridge for $20 off the normal $60 price. Not sure if they're still doing that.

Interesting that I just told Siri to Navigate me Home, and then to Navigate me to my girlfriend's house. It instantly responded correctly both times. I could tell it to Navigate me to work, because I'm already there.
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Or! Maybe i'm not an idiot, and it just doesn't work for me. Here's how it goes:

"Set a timer for 5 minutes"
Siri: "Setting thie timer...."
Siri: "Mark, we've had a problem. Can you please try that again?"
"Set a timer for 5 minutes"
Siri: "Setting the timer..."
Siri: "Sorry, Mark, something's gone wrong. Can you please try that again?"

Please tell me how I SHOULD be asking it to set a timer.

If what you're writing in your reply is true it's time for a Genius bar appointment.
 
I think siri could be able to do a lot more things, but am I the only one who doesn't have problems with how it works now?

I set timers and alarms and play podcasts and send text messages and check the weather all through Siri. And it generally works pretty great.

I definitely want some updates, but I really haven't experienced the problems people are talking about here.
 
Your Hue bridge needs a new chipset in it in order to support HomeKit, which provides a level of security that the first gen Hue hub did not. Phillips was allowing previous owners to upgrade their hub to a new HomeKit bridge for $20 off the normal $60 price. Not sure if they're still doing that.

Interesting that I just told Siri to Navigate me Home, and then to Navigate me to my girlfriend's house. It instantly responded correctly both times. I could tell it to Navigate me to work, because I'm already there.
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If what you're writing in your reply is true it's time for a Genius bar appointment.

Yeah, I was saying while it's neat that it can navigate via voice like that, to non-specific addresses ("girlfriends house"), it would be spiffy if i could use Waze instead. This alludes to some previous comments I've made where iOS should allow you to specify the app that provides services. Siri and Maps, in this discussion, could be swapped out entirely for some third party service, and I'd be kind of happy with that ability. Similar to how we can pick default email and web apps.

I know I should go to a Genius, but this is such a petty thing to genius for. I'll likely just wait until the next iphone purchase to see if it persists. I just don't get much use, nor have much faith in, Siri.
 
Yeah, I was saying while it's neat that it can navigate via voice like that, to non-specific addresses ("girlfriends house"), it would be spiffy if i could use Waze instead. This alludes to some previous comments I've made where iOS should allow you to specify the app that provides services. Siri and Maps, in this discussion, could be swapped out entirely for some third party service, and I'd be kind of happy with that ability. Similar to how we can pick default email and web apps.

I know I should go to a Genius, but this is such a petty thing to genius for. I'll likely just wait until the next iphone purchase to see if it persists. I just don't get much use, nor have much faith in, Siri.

Okay, whatever. Hard to get faith in something you won't use. Sort of like saying, "My refrigerator is broken. It won't keep my food cold. I know I should call a repairman and get it fixed. But I don't use it much, or have enough faith in it to put any food into it."

As far as using third party apps with Siri for things like directions, etc. I won't say what you're asking for is completely out of line. But personally, I like to minimize my use of third party apps because you always lose integration functionality that is out of Apple's control.
 
I swear and curse and call SIRI bad names when it screws up. Hopefully, that is being flagged at apple and they can analyze the interaction to improve the service. Apple applications have really declined in quality lately so I do a lot of yelling these days.
 
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As far as using third party apps with Siri for things like directions, etc. I won't say what you're asking for is completely out of line. But personally, I like to minimize my use of third party apps because you always lose integration functionality that is out of Apple's control.

That's my point though. You have a personal preference, as do I. My preference is to use Waze, since when I search for "O'malleys", it knows i probably mean the one here in town by default. Apple Maps gives me a list of 5 possible O'Malleys, as far away as ohio. So, I do not wish to use Siri for directions, since it takes me to Apple Maps, and my personal preference is to use Waze, due to better results (in my experience).

*note: I'm using O'malleys as just an example. I know how to get to my local pub.
 
Or! Maybe i'm not an idiot, and it just doesn't work for me. Here's how it goes:

"Set a timer for 5 minutes"
Siri: "Setting thie timer...."
Siri: "Mark, we've had a problem. Can you please try that again?"
"Set a timer for 5 minutes"
Siri: "Setting the timer..."
Siri: "Sorry, Mark, something's gone wrong. Can you please try that again?"

Please tell me how I SHOULD be asking it to set a timer.

If my wife, who are computer illiterate can do it, then you're have my sympathy for not be able to.
If a "Set a timer for 5 minutes" doesn't work for you, then you should blame yourself because it's working for everyone I know. Even "Time it for 5 minutes 30 seconds" works.
I, or anyone I know, never have "we've had a problem" after she responds "Setting the timer....". That's just so un-SIRI. If it has problem recognise your words you will never got "Setting the timer...." from her. If it recognise your words it will time it immediately because timing is an internal function. She doesn't have to search internet for it.
If I have to guess, I guess you never use SIRI.
 
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If my wife, who are computer illiterate can do it, then you're have my sympathy for not be able to.
If a "Set a timer for 5 minutes" doesn't work for you, then you should blame yourself because it's working for everyone I know. Even "Time it for 5 minutes 30 seconds" works.
I, or anyone I know, never have "we've had a problem" after she responds "Setting the timer....". That's just so un-SIRI. If it has problem recognise your words you will never got "Setting the timer...." from her. If it recognise your words it will time it immediately because timing is an internal function. She doesn't have to search internet for it.
If I have to guess, I guess you never use SIRI.

No one believes me. To prevent anyone else from getting angry enough to use formatted text in a reply, here's some proof:

<-- "Set a timer for 5 minutes"

<-- "Take me to Ann O'Malleys"

Note I am speaking with a perfectly normal US dialect.

(PS: Yes, the phone is online)

EDIT:
<-- Google "Take me to Ann O'Malleys"
 
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Hmm. I probably set 5-6 timers a day with no issues. I ask Siri a myriad of complicated questions all the time, have her run the lighting and environmental control in my house, and yes, ask her baseball questions. You must have the evil Siri who doesn't like you.
Or perhaps he has a deep voice.
 
No one believes me. To prevent anyone else from getting angry enough to use formatted text in a reply, here's some proof:

<-- "Set a timer for 5 minutes"

So your knowledge came from this video, not real life experience? Lol.

I can record a video that's completely opposite from this. How about making a bet? Says a hundred bucks?

FYI, that kind of problem is most likely come from his Clock app had crashed or something. Don't think it has anything to do with SIRI.
For other problems he had, looks like his phone also had microphone problem. Exchange it most likely solves.


PS. OK, here it is
Short and sweet, isn't it? (This video is real-time, no speed adjustment whatsoever)
You do know that Apple product come with a free 1 year warranty right? If something didn't work for you, just have them fix it.

(Too bad I didn't record sound so you could hear how bad my thick accent is)
 
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This morning I asked Siri on my Apple Watch "what is the record of the San Francisco Giants" and later "what is the win loss record of the San Francisco Giants". In both cases the Apple logo appeared as if the watch was restarting and then it returned to the clock face without answering my question. When I asked "when was the last game played by the San Francisco Giants" it briefly showed me the answer, including the time and results of the game against the Brewers but then flashed back to the clock face. Anyone else notice weird behavior like this from Siri?
 
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