Apple Urges FCC Not to Roll Back Ban on Internet 'Fast Lanes' in Push for Net Neutrality

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  1. MacRumors macrumors bot


    Apr 12, 2001

    In a letter submitted during the Restoring Internet Freedom comment period, Apple has urged the U.S. Federal Communications Commission not to roll back regulations that prevent "paid fast lanes" on the internet.

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    Apple warns that paid fast lanes could result in an "internet with distorted competition" based on an online provider's ability or willingness to pay, which in turn could put some customers in the "slow lane."
    In May, under the leadership of chairman Ajit Pai, the FCC proposed to roll back the Barack Obama administration's classification of internet providers as "common carriers" under Title II of the Communications Act of 1934.

    Apple is far from the only major technology company that has urged the FCC to reconsider its proposal. Last month, companies including Amazon, Google, Twitter, and Netflix hosted an internet-wide day of action to save net neutrality.

    The FCC received a record-breaking 22 million comments from the public during the comment period, which closed Wednesday. The FCC will now revise and vote on the proposal, at which point it could become official policy.

    Full Letter: Apple's Reply to "Restoring Internet Freedom" via Recode

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  2. NightFox, Aug 31, 2017
    Last edited: Aug 31, 2017

    NightFox macrumors 68020


    May 10, 2005
    Shropshire, UK
    My brain can't get past "...not to roll back a ban that would allow for so-called 'paid fast lanes' on the internet".

    What would allow 'paid fast lanes' - the ban, rolling back the ban, or not rolling back the ban? o_O:confused:

    ban that would allow for so called 'paid fast lanes' = fast lanes are allowed

    roll back ban that would allow for so called 'paid fast lanes' = fast lanes not allowed

    not to roll back ban that would allow for so called 'paid fast lanes' = fast lanes are allowed
    So i think we got the wrong number of nots/roll-backs/bans in there :D
  3. CerebralX macrumors 6502


    Jun 28, 2013
    Looking for a place of freedom and rationality
    In essence it means that specific companies can pay ISPs to give its users faster access to their web services in comparison to competitors for example.
  4. usamaah, Aug 31, 2017
    Last edited: Aug 31, 2017

    usamaah macrumors regular


    Sep 23, 2008
    Rolling back the ban = allow 'paid fast lanes'

    Most tech companies that are not ISPs want to keep the 'ban' in place. The 'ban' came into being under the previous FCC leadership, at which time Ajit Pai was still part of the FCC and was very much against the 'ban'.

    The 'ban' was actually a re-classification of ISPs as utilities, if I understand everything correctly. Now that Ajit Pai is leading the FCC, he wants to roll back that re-classification, which could potentially allow ISPs to create 'paid fast lanes.'

    His argument is that it is non-sensical to ban something that has never happened. Not that I agree with him, but in essence that is his argument. He feels that if any ISP did try to create paid fast lanes, and if the market in fact did not like this (or it was bad for the market), market pressure would sort it out. So if Verizon created faster lanes, in theory things would play out in such a way that this would not be favorited. Perhaps people on the internet and content providers like Netflix would create an information campaign to shame Verizon or try to convince customers to leave Verizon. Of course that's assuming your alternative ISP is able to provide service of equal speed. Most people have a choice between two providers, though Ajit Pai and company again think that's not accurate as you have the option of using 4G LTE ISPs too and that these are also broadband providers. Again, this is their argument, not mine.
  5. NightFox macrumors 68020


    May 10, 2005
    Shropshire, UK
    I understand the story, it was just that sentence that didn't seem to read right. Maybe it's just me though, it's been a long day...
  6. RRmalvado macrumors 6502

    May 27, 2010
  7. Porco macrumors 68030


    Mar 28, 2005
    It's almost like those who want to end net neutrality have tried to definitely not not obfuscate it as much as not impossible!

    Apple is correct on this.
  8. usamaah macrumors regular


    Sep 23, 2008
    I agree, that sentence was very confusing.
  9. cmwade77 macrumors 65816

    Nov 18, 2008
    Here is what happens if the ban is rolled back:
    • ISPs will favor their own content, especially cable companies and such.
    • Streaming services, especially Video will have to pay for the fast lanes or be unusable.

    And it WAS starting to happen when the ban was put in place, just not quite common practice for all ISPs yet, but many were throttling all video content that wasn't their own and it was indeed proven by using VPNs to get around it, but then they found ways to prevent the VPNs from working.

    Overall reversing this ban would be bad for the consumer, bad for most companies, except ISPs, it would be good for them and ultimately bad for the economy as many of the smaller streaming services would essentially be forced to close up shop since their content couldn't be received.
  10. emvath macrumors regular

    Jan 5, 2009
    Thank you Apple. We need more "big dogs" in this fight. I know Amazon, Netflix (eventually), and a few others have joined in. We need Google, Microsoft, etc. to help.
  11. Kabeyun macrumors 68020


    Mar 27, 2004
    Eastern USA
    Anyone familiar with Ajit Pai knows this is tilting at windmills. He's about as pro-corporate as they come. Appreciate Apple putting it out there, but glwt.
  12. WatchTheThrone macrumors regular


    Aug 2, 2011
    Thanks Obama. I mean that in the non sarcastic way people always use it lol
  13. Joe Rossignol Editor

    Joe Rossignol

    Staff Member

    May 12, 2012
    A long day for me too apparently! I've edited the sentence — should make sense now. Thanks
  14. garirry macrumors 68000


    Apr 27, 2013
    Canada is my city
    Man the US sucks at regulation. As much as I hate Canadian Internet, it's nowhere near as bad and chaotic as the US.
  15. StevieD100 macrumors 6502a


    Jan 18, 2014
    Living Dangerously in Retirement
    Let the kickbacks begin flowing. How much will Netflix pay Comcast to get top billing? {just an example}
    Apple's Movie streaming service will be a dead duck unless they pay the tithe.
    The Wild West Lad Grab is alive and kicking.
  16. Bigsk8r macrumors 6502


    Nov 28, 2011
    Austin, Texas
    At times, I take issue with Apple's SJW stance on things. But it's moments like these that remind me to accept the occasional annoying item because they do stand up for the little guy in many areas that the country should really care more about.
  17. macs4nw macrumors 601


    No, it's not just you, I had the same hesitation upon first reading it. That was an ambiguous way of putting it.

    What would have been clearer is, if they had written "not to roll back a ban on so-called "paid fast lanes" on the internet" or even "not to roll back the current ban, because such a move would once again allow these so-called 'paid fast lanes' on the internet."

    Either way, it's imperative that net-neutrality will not be sacrificed for business gains.
  18. TheShadowKnows! macrumors 6502a


    Sep 30, 2014
    National Capital Region
    I call the "public comment period" a "Game of Mirrors"

    Net Neutrality will be revoked and rolled-back. I have no doubts.


    The unified, first-law of all politicians: "Money talks, ******** walks."
  19. MrX8503 macrumors 68020

    Sep 19, 2010
    Here's the thing, everyone wants a faster and cheaper internet, but how that's achieved is being totally obfuscated by Ajit Pai. He is lying to the American public that less regulations would mean ISPs would have more freedom to expand/advance infrastructure. Why would ISPs need less regulation when they have ZERO competition? Most Americans only have 1-2 ISP choices and that's the part Ajit Pai conveniently leaves out.

    Why is cellular service costs decreasing? Competition between Verizon, AT&T, T-Mobile, and Sprint.

    Why is home internet costs increasing? No competition between Comcast and Time Warner. In fact they've agreed to not cross each other's market.
  20. fhall1 macrumors 68040


    Dec 18, 2007
    (Central) NY State of mind
    Time Warner is no more - it's Spectrum now - but your argument is valid.
  21. Defthand macrumors 65816

    Sep 1, 2010
    I’m all for net neutrality, but Apple’s endorsement is to be taken with a grain of salt. Given Apple’s own “pay to play” requirements for content providers to do business on Apple devices, their motives are hypocritical. Be thankful that Apple isn’t an ISP.
  22. macTW Suspended

    Oct 17, 2016
    I struggle to understand how stupid policy makers are.
  23. CE3, Aug 31, 2017
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    CE3 macrumors 65816

    Nov 26, 2014
    Yes, lack of competition is the issue - not infrastructure (it’s an issue with cell carriers too). Lack of competition is why high speed ISPs continue to get away with being so consistently sucky and unreliable. In many areas you have one high speed choice and if you’re unhappy with the service there are no other options. These regulatory rollbacks will only strengthen these monopolies and prove to be absolutely terrible for consumers and the future of the internet as a whole.
  24. euvnairb macrumors regular

    Oct 13, 2010
    Goleta, CA
    I wouldn't mind net neutrality (as much) if people were given more broadband choices. In my small/mid-sized city we have one broadband cable provider (Cox) and one not as good DSL provider (ATT/DirecTV). If the net neutrality ban is lifted and either of these two favor some apps over others, then the end user is screwed because they don't have the choice to go somewhere else.
  25. WarHeadz macrumors 6502a


    Aug 30, 2015
    Long Beach, California
    I think you have it mixed up. You actually support net neutrality, and it is the current standing policy. What you're saying is that you DON'T want net neutrality to be revoked.

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