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Apple used Verizon 4G LTE for the demo, does it mean it is better?
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Some of us on ATT still have unlimited too
Maybe on the iPad. But your iPhone is unlimited speed till 3gb. My point is your good to go up until 3gb. I used to have AT&T unlimited than I switched.
Who says Verizon 3G isn't fast enough?
Whoever says Verizon 3G isn't adequate is speaking for themselves. I speak for myself when I say Verizon 3G is quick in my area with download speeds of 2-2.5 down and latency at 100 or so. Mind you, I live in an area AT&T has yet to place 3G must less 4G. Verizon triumphs in my area.
Whoever says Verizon 3G isn't adequate is speaking for themselves. I speak for myself when I say Verizon 3G is quick in my area with download speeds of 2-2.5 down and latency at 100 or so. Mind you, I live in an area AT&T has yet to place 3G must less 4G. Verizon triumphs in my area.
Must be nice. I live in Virginia's largest city, and get great coverage from Verizon (iPhone 4s, 4 bars at home) and AT&T (iPad, 5 bars at home).
Just ran Speedtest on both of them.
AT&T 3G = 4.60 mpbs down.
Verizon 3G = .28 mbps down.
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My entire area recently had 3G speeds increased (almost doubled actually) even though Verizon says they weren't going to improve 3G. My area is very rural as well. Just ran a test...2.08 mpbs down
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I would say Verizon's LTE is probably most reliable at this point? It's been around longer and is in more market.. They've worked out most kinks and continue to improve upon it's stability.
When I bought the iPad2. I picked Verizon's model all because it was lighter... don't know why, I would imagined a world modem was used but perhaps not, meaning the same device could support all networks but I suppose not for the iPad2.
When I bought the iPad2. I picked Verizon's model all because it was lighter... don't know why, I would imagined a world modem was used but perhaps not, meaning the same device could support all networks but I suppose not for the iPad2.
Verizon's weird on iPhones.. I have a 4S on Verizon and it's soooo slow compared to the 3 previous Android 3g devices on Verizon. They were able to pull over 2meg down using Verizon 3g's network.. then my new 4S can barely pull a meg... most of the time about 600kbps on the Speedtest app.
I also tethered my 4S to see if maybe the phone itself was reporting incorrectly but it's the same when tethering to my MacBook.
I think Apple might have cranked down the power on the 3G modem to save more battery.
Maybe you're the only one using 3G on that tower. lol
Maybe. But, it's not just at my home. The entire part of northwest Louisiana has 1.5+ down with Verizon. Plus, the Verizon customer concentration is pretty high due to the EDGE only data service from AT&T.
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Sounds like you've been throttled. If you're using 2Gb+ per month, Verizon will throttle you to 600K or so when on a congested site.
They also said both tests were prerecorded. AT&T's LTE may not have been up yet when they recorded it but their Faux-G was. I would imagine that is why they did the tests like that. But even on Faux-G, it was still pretty fast.
I'm getting the AT&T version in anticipation of an LTE network in my area. We are blanketed with AT&T H+ and I have Verizon LTE at home. But the drop off from LTE to 3G on Verizon is just painful. Even if it takes another year to get LTE on AT&T, the H+ will more than be sufficient for what I plan on using it for in the mean time. And then the drop off from LTE to H+ won't be as bad.
I'm getting the AT&T version in anticipation of an LTE network in my area. We are blanketed with AT&T H+ and I have Verizon LTE at home. But the drop off from LTE to 3G on Verizon is just painful. Even if it takes another year to get LTE on AT&T, the H+ will more than be sufficient for what I plan on using it for in the mean time. And then the drop off from LTE to H+ won't be as bad.
4G is not the same on GSM vs CDMA right?
I heard for NYCs Subways, AT&T is able to get signal down there as Verizon has some technical issues with the underground. Then again in my area, Verizon's frequencies are better at penetrating buildings than AT&T. Where AT&T gets no signal, Verizon does.
Then again that is voice and data perspective. Is 4G supposed to be different somehow?
I heard for NYCs Subways, AT&T is able to get signal down there as Verizon has some technical issues with the underground. Then again in my area, Verizon's frequencies are better at penetrating buildings than AT&T. Where AT&T gets no signal, Verizon does.
Then again that is voice and data perspective. Is 4G supposed to be different somehow?
The only problem with relying on Verizon 4G LTE is when you leave that 4G plateau, it's a steep drop to the 3G speeds. I get consistent 300-500 kbps speeds on my iPhone 4S. Now it's much more reliable, especially for voice calls, but as people told me before it's no speed demon. AT&T's 3G service gets better speeds, but that's if you're in a 3G area and if your signal doesn't drop out.
Neither carrier is perfect. It all depends on where you live and what you need. I switched to Verizon because I needed my phone to work at my damn house since I have no other phone. I just wish I didn't have to wait until the middle of 2013 to qualify for an upgrade since a 4G LTE iPhone is likely to hit this year. Arrgh.
Neither carrier is perfect. It all depends on where you live and what you need. I switched to Verizon because I needed my phone to work at my damn house since I have no other phone. I just wish I didn't have to wait until the middle of 2013 to qualify for an upgrade since a 4G LTE iPhone is likely to hit this year. Arrgh.
ATT LTE is faster...always has been. But it is not in as many places yet. Verizon almost certainly had more reliable LTE in the area the keynote took place.
That's completely false. AT&T LTE is comparable to Verizon and varies based on location. AT&T LTE also has fewer customers than Verizon LTE. Overtime we'll see who has the back haul to support its customers. If history repeats itself, we all know who will be victorious.
People that are getting the AT&T iPad and don't have AT&T LTE in their area should probably be aware that the Verizon iPad can access the AT&T 3G/3.5G networks just fine.
It is also likely that Verizon will cover your area much sooner than AT&T will and therefore buying the Verizon iPad and using 3G service from AT&T might be something you should look into, while maintaining the option to switch to Verizon should you feel the need. This 'switch' is not possible on the AT&T iPad.
Also Verizon allows sim swapping between phones and devices, gives you tethering, and doesn't throttle (this one doesn't really apply here). All things to think about before jumping the gun. The lower speeds people are noticing on VZW is primarily because 4G LTE is much more mature on VZW and has much more network traffic than does AT&T. This is what people that are not in LTE coverage markets need to research to see when AT&T or VZW will get to them (chances are VZW first).
http://www.gottabemobile.com/2012/0...erizon-4g-ipad-to-use-with-atts-hspa-service/
It is also likely that Verizon will cover your area much sooner than AT&T will and therefore buying the Verizon iPad and using 3G service from AT&T might be something you should look into, while maintaining the option to switch to Verizon should you feel the need. This 'switch' is not possible on the AT&T iPad.
Also Verizon allows sim swapping between phones and devices, gives you tethering, and doesn't throttle (this one doesn't really apply here). All things to think about before jumping the gun. The lower speeds people are noticing on VZW is primarily because 4G LTE is much more mature on VZW and has much more network traffic than does AT&T. This is what people that are not in LTE coverage markets need to research to see when AT&T or VZW will get to them (chances are VZW first).
http://www.gottabemobile.com/2012/0...erizon-4g-ipad-to-use-with-atts-hspa-service/
this is not false. Testing on the reviews of each network when they first released showed ATT to have the faster network in all the major city locations (verizon has better coverage in the less populated areas, they always have). These tests were done for reviews and were conducted before the "official" release of 4G in many cases, and in all cases within the first few weeks of its release, so the amount of strain on the network was not a factor at all.
At such high speeds, the 5ish Mbps speed advantage ATT has really isn't a factor, but the fact remains that verizon wasn't chosen for its speed, but rather its coverage.
Much like with 3G, ATT has the speed advantage, and verizon the coverage advantage, just like last generation
It's a factor of how the device connects.
CDMA networks allow only one connection at a time, voice or data. The plus side to that is you get a more solid connention. The downside is if you are in the middle of downloading a webpage, that stops the moment your phone rings.
GSM networks allow for more than one connection. The plus side is speed and concurrent voice and data usage. The downside is when your antenna is trying to handle two signals, sometimes things get dropped. Almost all of my call disconnects occurred when my phone is trying to also download email, etc.
Now, since the AT&T iPad doesn't make phone calls, in theory the data connection should be more solid leading to fewer dropped packets. But I'm not sure how LTE acts. I don't know if it follows the GSM multi-connection model or the CDMA single-connection model.
But my issue is the dropp off from LTE to 3G. On Verizon, it's brutal. On AT&T, it's not as bad.
CDMA networks allow only one connection at a time, voice or data. The plus side to that is you get a more solid connention. The downside is if you are in the middle of downloading a webpage, that stops the moment your phone rings.
GSM networks allow for more than one connection. The plus side is speed and concurrent voice and data usage. The downside is when your antenna is trying to handle two signals, sometimes things get dropped. Almost all of my call disconnects occurred when my phone is trying to also download email, etc.
Now, since the AT&T iPad doesn't make phone calls, in theory the data connection should be more solid leading to fewer dropped packets. But I'm not sure how LTE acts. I don't know if it follows the GSM multi-connection model or the CDMA single-connection model.
But my issue is the dropp off from LTE to 3G. On Verizon, it's brutal. On AT&T, it's not as bad.
AT&T (GSM) = Faster (on average) speeds, but less LTE coverage then Verizon BUT if you go out-of-range of AT&T LTE, you will still ride on their HSPA+ network or their speedy 3G network.
Verizon (CDMA) = Better coverage BUT can be a little slower and if you exit their LTE network, you fall back to their much slower EV-DO 3G.
I've had similar results.
Prior to getting the 4 at launch, I would consistently average about 1.5 on my Bold. Once I got the 4, those speeds rarely reached 1. Once I got the 4s, I'm lucky to get .4. My usage averages around 1g/month. Only once have I gone over 2g since I first got the 4.
Hubby has a 4. He consistently uses at least 1.5g/month. Several months of 2+, he got his in May. I've done several side-by-side speed tests at various times of day since then. His phone wins every. single. time. And not just by a small margin. He gets close to 1 while I'm lucky to pull my .5. And his usage is usually almost double mine.
ETA - I'm in Houston.
I keep seeing commercials for VZW saying the offer 4Gig of 4G LTE for $30 for a "limited" time. The fine print says on smartphones but what the F is the difference. Further, they show an android tablet in the commercial. So has anyone called VZW about it?
exactly! my brother who uses android and verizon had speeds of 40 mbps when verizon first dropped their LTE. now its 10 at best.
just like when i got my iphone 4s my hdsp+ would run at 7 mbps, now its 4-5
The difference is easy.
They don't have a gun at your head for two years with a tablet.