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Still using an iPhone 11. Original battery and working great.

Apple providing updates for as long as they do really helps.
 
The upgrade cycle phenomenon changed significantly when wireless companies stopped subsidizing phones. You don't get a deal anymore by buying another two year contract. You just pay for the phone over 3 years. The extension to 3 years from 2 and not getting anything in exchange (a deal) anymore has made people rethink things.

And they also didn’t release new phone models every single year. That makes the difference less noticeable from one model to the next and discourages people from upgrading because they can’t justify the big expense anymore.
 
Nobody needs to update their phone, watch, tablet or computer every year. Nobody at all. Some people still do it because they want to, because they can afford it and because they want to show off, and Apple actively encourages that behavior, but it’s not a necessity for anyone at all. No device ever becomes completely useless in less than 4-5 years.
You can add “cars” to that list. Yet people do. They spend their money the way they want.
 
Apple doesn't add new emoji, the Unicode Consortium does. Apple just adds support for new ones (just like every other vendor) so users don't see <?> boxes when other people send them.

Of all the things to be concerned about, this isn't one.

But they do advertise the new emojis as a new OS feature every year. Very heavily. And a lot of people get fooled by that because they don’t know what you just explained.
 
I'm a little torn this time around. I was going to hang on to my 13 mini for at least 2 years but decided to big with the 14 Pro Max halfway thru its run. Can I really sit out 2 iPhone launches in a row and keep this 2022 phone thru 2025? There's nothing wrong with it and the 16 Pro Max is unlikely to add much new stuff.

Sure you can. I’m still using an iphone XS from 2018. And not only that, it will still get iOS 18 this year.
 
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For phones, I think a huge factor is around the carriers now all moving the finance options to 30 or 36 months when they all used to be 24. I happyily would pay the few dollars more per month to upgrade every 2 years on my phone, but they don't give that option and only offer 30 and longer now. I likely at my next upgrade will buy from Apple direct instead of carrier financing, 3 years kills me every time i do it.

You can finance with apple if you get an apple card, and I believe they still do offer 12-24 months.
 
While I have a M2 Mini as my home computer, I still have my 2017 Intel MacBook Air (with all the ports) as my travel / work laptop. And it still runs all the apps I need it to do.
Meanwhile, still rocking on with my iPhone 12 Mini - the current SE, 13 and 14 offering a slight processor bump from that, but otherwise only differentiated by "Squirrel!" features I most often don't need. Ditto too, the difference between the 14 and 15.
I’ll be letting go of my beloved 12 Mini for a 16 Pro. A 4-year cycle helps amortise the huge upfront cost and there are quite a few improvements to the camera, screen and battery life in that time. Looking forward to Pro Motion and USB C.
 
You do understand that upgrading Siri is the same as investing in AI, right? Because it does not sound like you do, at all.

You do also understand that Apple was able to take a lot of the AI work that they've done on the car project and apply it to other projects, right? Because it does not sound like you do, at all.
Siri's problem is speech recognition which has been around for decades. Sending a command like "Send message to wife", does not need AI. Siri cannot even do that right most of the time, So linking Siri's solutions as generic AI shows a terrible lack of understanding. Other's have been doing this much better for more than a decade.

Thinking AI will solve Apple's problems is IMO dreaming. Is it possible? Yes. Is it probable? No. Apple has deep-seated software development quality problems. You don't fix those by just switching technologies.
 
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Because the prices in Australia are an absolute joke, when Apple released the M4 iPads here recently they put the prices up which they’ve done with every new release. Considering how much the cost of living is hurting everyone at the moment only Apple Inc with Timmy Cook at the helm would have the b@lls to up the prices right now.

My a$$ they’re an altruistic company that wants equality for all🙄.

It's not Apple's responsible to make sure that people who struggle financially, should be able to buy their products.

I can't understand anyone believing Apple is altruistic unless they're very dense. I would never buy anything important and lasting from an altruistic company. Who knows how long they'll last.
 
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Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but they've long been engaging in these tactics

The entire reason SSDs are locked down on Macs is so they can absolutely screw customers on horrendously overpriced SSD upgrades at the time of initial purchase

But have Apple been practising this because people keep their devices longer?

I don't think so. I think the major reason for Apple has been to make more money.
 
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I bought a M2 Pro mini one month ago with a 32 inch monitor. It's a great little computer and very fast. But I still prefer to use my 2017 27 inch iMac for now, even though it's stuck on Ventura. The M2 Pro is an awesome SOC. But the good old Intel is also not that bad. And nothing can beat the 5K display. So yeah 🤷‍♂️.
 
This article really has nothing to do with Apple. During the 2020 pandemic, consumer electronics spending spiked to all-time highs. 100 million people set up offices at home, so we bought monitors, keyboards, mice, chairs, HDMI cables, TV sets, laptops, you name it.

Consumer electronics spending will be down from 2020 levels for a very long time, whether you’re Apple, Microsoft, Sony or anybody else.
 
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But have Apple been practising this because people keep their devices longer?

I don't think so. I think the major reason for Apple has been to make more money.

I do think they do it to prevent people from keeping the devices for much longer than they would otherwise. When the product is not easily upgradeable because everything is soldered or glued, people will have to buy a new one sooner than otherwise. And/or have to pay loads of money for any repair/upgrade needed. Which basically comes down to the same reason you just stated: money.
 
One of the things that will increase the lifecycle between upgrades is that most of the cell carriers in the US increased the payments from 24-30 months to 36 months. I like upgrading my iPhone every 2 years or so because that's when the old one was paid off and I still received a high value for the trade-in. With the upgrade from the 13 PM to the 15 PM last year Verizon changed the payment structure from 24 months to 36 months, and there isn't a chance I'm going to lose out on 1/3 of my trade-in credit for my old phone just so I can continue to upgrade every 2 years. I think AT&T and T-Mo did the same thing.

I'll be fine, I'm sure there won't be a huge difference between waiting for the 18 rather than the 17, but if Apple cares about how long people are waiting between upgrades then that change certainly doesn't help them.
 
This article really has nothing to do with Apple. During the 2020 pandemic, consumer electronics spending spiked to all-time highs. 100 million people set up offices at home, so we bought monitors, keyboards, mice, chairs, HDMI cables, TV sets, laptops, you name it.

Consumer electronics spending will be down from 2020 levels for a very long time, whether you’re Apple, Microsoft, Sony or anybody else.
Nobody wants to hear that, this is a place for gripes about nebulous concepts like “innovation” that can’t be named.
 
Nobody needs to update their phone, watch, tablet or computer every year. Nobody at all. Some people still do it because they want to, because they can afford it and because they want to show off, and Apple actively encourages that behavior, but it’s not a necessity for anyone at all. No device ever becomes completely useless in less than 4-5 years.
More like less than 8, I used to replace my PC every 3 years, now over 8 years, phone have had for 7 years but will upgrade this year or next, car lasts 10 years now at least
 
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Devices are a commodity these days, no reason to upgrade. Innovation is dead at Apple. We don't need more emoji. We certainly don't need AI, which is all Apple is focusing on for the next couple of years.

Apple failed with the car, failed with Carplay 2, failed with Siri. Just imagine where we would be if Apple had applied the car investment into Siri. Apple increases bugs with every new release, and never seems to reduce them.

We need tech leadership at Apple, not a supply chain guy.

It is time for Cook to be replaced.



You'll get thumbs down to hell from the AAPL stockholders, that tells you all you need to know.
 
This article really has nothing to do with Apple. During the 2020 pandemic, consumer electronics spending spiked to all-time highs. 100 million people set up offices at home, so we bought monitors, keyboards, mice, chairs, HDMI cables, TV sets, laptops, you name it.
What you are saying is certainly correct. But how does that explain the result of the survey?

Anectdotally, PC/Macs have become so good around ten years ago, there is little reason to upgrade, unless you have special needs like gaming or maybe in the future AI.
 
I am not sure why anyone is acting shocked and surprised here, and I have already been saying this for quite some time already.

Apple has long shifted from selling iPhones to selling to people with iPhones. Be it additional hardware, accessories, services, apps or even Apple Pay, Apple has numerous ways of monetising existing iOS users.

Apple doesn’t need you to keep buying new iPhones; they just need you to keep using them. And as far as I can see, nobody is abandoning them. If anything, the iPhone install base continues to grow year after year after year. Which kinda puts to rest the whole “Apple is no longer innovating” criticism when you think about it.

It’s all going according to plan.
 
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