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Worst apple product? That's what this YT describes the AVP, it goes through many reasons.

I like how this YTer mentioned that where apple succeeded in a product, it was in a previously established market, i.e., MP3 players were already popular, Apple improved it with the iPod. Cell phones, were well established when the iPhone entered the market.

There was no such market for VR headsets, and then pricing it orders significantly higher then other VR headsets was a recipe for disaster.

 
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"Apple’s worst product?” I never thought about it. And I honestly doubt it.

Anyway...

The Vision Pro’s very high price is very significant and probably its biggest hurdle to the lack of ‘success’ thus far. And the presenter does a decent job explaining the likelihood behind Apple’s price tag. Although, I do want to put a side note that I ascribe little weight when people lean on supplier sources for part costs to estimate the total hardware cost for a company, such as Apple, even if they mention it does not include R&D, marketing, etc. Plus, ultimately, it doesn’t matter. My go-to question on that topic is: if it was proven Apple, for example, only profited $0.01 on a product, would you be more comfortable with the cost? The answer is likely no. To me, whether Apple profits 99% or 1%, (spending) $3,500 is the same (consideration).

Moving along...

I think a big misstep from Apple regarding Vision Pro was marketing. Jump to 4:04 in the video. AVP is a VR headset. AVP competes with VR headsets. That is somewhat true, and also only somewhat of the AVP’s strength/asset. If all you want is somewhat more immersive first-person gaming, a Meta Quest or Oculus will probably be more than satisfactory. If all you want/need is a portable or otherwise convenient large/huge/giant display, Xreal or RayNeo will probably be far more cost effective, better value. And again, the AVP can do these things. However, in my opinion, one of the biggest (as I said) missteps was not reviving the push for AR, especially to the eyes of developers.

Game Room is a fair example, I think:


However, I also think, Apple should have pulled forward the 2018 push, noting, for example, “Remember our amazing ARKit demos? We were able to bring things to life! Now it’s even more immersive, even more magical.” — forgive my lack of authentically imitating Tim/Steve presentation lingo/flare.


I realize a lot of immersion can be fully virtual, even an app like Game Room. But some do benefit from the AR/XR immersion.

But it also has extremely detailed models of a nearly-complete selection of commercial aircraft, and you can extend the flaps, turn on the thrust reversers, drop the landing gear, and more. That's cool. But there's also a button to "make life sized", which is awesome. Boom, you are standing underneath a 747. Pan it around, and you're in the cockpit of a to-scale, meticulously-modeled airliner, and you can look around at all the instruments. Walking around the scale model looks so good it makes me want to go outside and drop it in the street so I can look like a crazy person wandering around looking up at the invisible airplane.
 
IMHO (and others) say the problem was the marketing.
V1 was never a consumer product at a consumer price.
It should have been a dev kit, which allowed devs to create a mass of software, ready for the actual consumer version that would come later.

Stupidly and misguidedly Apple showed this off a a product ready from day 1 to be used by normal people, packing the suitcases wearing the product, chatting to their kids (taking video of them) wearing the product.

It was the wrong product at the wrong time, marketed at the wrong people at the wrong price.

You do all those things and a product, which SHOULD have potential, fails big time
 
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Everybody knew it was risky from the start. There was zero evidence of social acceptance for wearing isolating goggles. Apple knew this going in, hence the huge focus on the front display to mimic the wearer’s eyes.

But Tim Cook wanted a legacy defining product before his retirement. Vision Pro is the only computing product in the Cook era that does not revolve around Steve Jobs’ iPhone.

People are very willing to spend $3,500 on a MacBook Pro and Mac Studio. They will spend $1,000 a year on Watch. Halo products always have cheaper follow up products. There is always a trajectory to price decreases from scaling, so price wasn’t a problem. The problem Apple couldn’t solve is convincing people to wear a loner headset. How do you go from Apple products that take selfies, share videos, send emojis, and listen to music on the go to a self-isolating set of goggles with a hip battery pack?
 
Everybody knew it was risky from the start. There was zero evidence of social acceptance for wearing isolating goggles. Apple knew this going in, hence the huge focus on the front display to mimic the wearer’s eyes.
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...so happyly moving on, wearing Woody Allen-style-non-isoliting goggles walking around.


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I have had my second hand AVP M2 for 3 1/2 months and I use it on a daily basis it does everything I used to do on my iPad Pro and Mohr I can honestly say this has been my favorite Tech purchase of 2026. I can’t wait to see the improvements to come in visionOS over the years.
 
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Yes, it’s clearly their worst product. Obviously. Who could argue otherwise in a forum dedicated to people who mostly love it?

That’s why you’ve posted here. The worst product Apple has ever produced is worth the time to post about it in a forum dedicated to people who have it! Yeah, that’s the ticket!!!!!!

Nope, I don’t think so. I have priorities, as do most, and that doesn’t include wasting time on the worst product ever produced. If I bought it and thought that way I’d try to sell it and if I couldn’t then I chalk it up to being a fool, but I wouldn’t come onto a forum and posit that question unless I was trolling.

So there’s that….
 
So the argument is: 'the fact is kept it makes it impossible this is Apple's worst product'?
I think it is more about the post itself, which does not contain any useful information. If you compare the number of iPhones Apple has sold to the number of Vision Pros, then it could indeed be the "worst" product.

...which does not make it a bad product. 😉
 
Vision Pro may be Apple’s worst product by resources spent relative to demand.

Lisa cost about $33,500 in today’s dollars and sold ~10,000 units; its development cost was roughly $500M today. Newton cost about $230M today to develop. The G4 Cube cost about $3,500 today and sold ~150,000.

Vision Pro took seven years, generated 5,000+ patents, and required an entirely new hardware/software platform. Yet Apple shipped only ~390,000 units in 2024, with demand falling sharply afterward.

Apple doesn’t disclose AVP-specific R&D, but no other major Apple flop combines this level of investment with so little sustained market demand.
 
Is there any purpose or takeaway from threads like these? I don't even understand the motivation from a consumer point of view. Is it just trashing for the sake of it or to prove some sort of superiority? Proving to who, me??
 
Is there any purpose or takeaway from threads like these? I don't even understand the motivation from a consumer point of view. Is it just trashing for the sake of it or to prove some sort of superiority? Proving to who, me??
It’s probably to smoke out existing owners with a lingering sense of unease about their investment and see them get defensive.
 
It’s probably to smoke out existing owners with a lingering sense of unease about their investment and see them get defensive.
Owners who know and use the product will not be affected by that.

It is kind of like a cellphone without a keyboard no one wants...
 
It’s probably to smoke out existing owners with a lingering sense of unease about their investment and see them get defensive.
So some people like to waste their time on Earth trying to make others feel bad? That's what fun is to them? That's pitiful.
 
Eh, there are worse ways of spending your time.
No, there are always worse examples, but bringing others down for fun is categorically the worst way to spend one's time, because you're not only wasting your own life but also dragging down others, for no good reason.
 
No, there are always worse examples, but bringing others down for fun is categorically the worst way to spend one's time, because you're not only wasting your own life but also dragging down others, for no good reason.
Mirth has quite a useful societal role. Few things are categorical in reality. Again, OT.

I’ll save it by saying that Apple did some users a bigger favor than itself by releasing the AVP.
 
Mirth has quite a useful societal role. Few things are categorical in reality. Again, OT.
No one has a problem with fun--it's how some people in our society get it that is the problem.
This is one of those few categorical things.
And the purpose of the topic is my topic.
I’ll save it by saying that Apple did some users a bigger favor than itself by releasing the AVP.
In the short term, most likely. In the long term, possibly.
 
great product but not enough use cases for most people and can only be used in certain situations and you need a power bank near by
 
great product but not enough use cases for most people and can only be used in certain situations and you need a power bank near by
I agree, but I actually prefer that it's not something people wear around everywhere, due to camera privacy issues. That also mitigates the battery issue some. But yes, not enough use cases for most people for the price and form factor.
 
Apperently there was another apple leak. New AirPods, new iphones, new Apple TV, new MacBooks, and An upgraded Apple Vision Pro.

Hope it’s a 2nm m6.
 
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