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This is great, but I don’t need because I’m nearsighted.
does it work like this? Won’t the special lenses make the light hitting the eye different than looking at a book closely ? nearsighted here as well. Would be worth a try on some other Headset. Just remember that first oculus sucked without glasses, not sure if because of eyes, resolution or both 😅
 
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As ever, I need to know the IPD range, yet it's nowhere to be seen
 
You guys know that LASIK is very outdated since there are much better solutions for years, right?
Just integrate the lasers into the headset, this would qualify as Pro .. or it will come out as VisionPro Surgical Edition
 
There are businesses that sell inserts with prescription lenses for pretty much any VR device you can think of (Oculus, Index, PSVR, Pico, Pimax,...).
I am sure there will be inexpensive options for this headset as well.

Basically any optometrist can use a 3D printer to make an adapter and fit whatever lenses you need into it.
 
Yep. EyeMed, owned by Luxottica. They’re in bed with LensCrafters and Pearle Vision among others. It’s a racket.

I just pay out of pocket at Costco or go online like you.
As well as owning EyeMed, EssilorLuxottica own outlets like LensCrafters, Pearle Vision, Sunglasses Hut and Vision Direct. They also own a lot of brands like Ray-ban and Oakley and make a lot of designer frames like Chanel and Prada. In all they control about half the US market. If you have transition or Varilux lenses, then your lenses will be made by part of that group. To be honest I’m amazed they haven’t been investigated for monopolistic behaviour (how they ended up owning Oakley is a good example). Given this I’m happier that Apple have partnered with Zeiss though, like a lot of older German companies, they do have a dark past.
 
A pair of really good quality glasses in Sweden can cost around 400USD for a pair. Progressive would cost more than double. I don't know what type of glass needed to add for a person like me who uses progressive. But as Zeiss need to manufacture these in a smaller scale, Apple's price would be around 299-499 USD. They are thinking that if you have enough money to spend on a device which cost almost like a good used car, you definitely can stretch few hunders more.
 
This is great, but I don’t need because I’m nearsighted.
It is counterintuitive, but my personal experience is you do actually need distance glasses for VR, not reading glasses. My first headset had a dial to adjust the lens distance to compensate enough without wearing glasses (I say enough because it was fairly low res and the focus was enough for the fidelity.) The Oculus Go and Quest 2 (barely) fit over (most) glasses, and I’ve aged from near sighted to progressive lens, but those are annoying in VR so I ordered a pair of driving/VR glasses and the experience is much improved. Glasses are somewhat noticeable in VR, but they are in the real world, too, so I don’t find it a problem. I expect Apple wanted to go for the best possible result, and the integrated prescription lens would have less chance of extra reflection, so it makes sense, and I assume they figure the extra cost isn’t a big deal when you are already in for $3500 USD. That said, the ability to simply use glasses is nice if you want to be able to share/demo your headset.

If anyone else here has a different experience with glasses in VR, please let me know. As I said, it is not what I was expecting, but since I now have multiple prescriptions, it did allow me to compare enough that I’m pretty sure it isn’t just my imagination. I assume it has to do with where you are focusing and not the actual distance of the screen to your eyes, but I’d be happy to hear an educated, scientific reason.
 
This is how most VR and AR headsets are, so not unexpected. In fact there are several sites that produce custom prescriptions for most existing headsets. I would imagine they will start producing their own inserts for vision pro as well.
Really? Most of the headsets I’ve owned could be upgraded to prescription lens, but allowed glasses with a spacer. I thought this was the first that didn’t allow glasses and only worked with prescription inserts. But I am swimming in the cheap end of the VR pool.
 
Perhaps they will have a progressive lens. Note that lots of Apple execs are in their late 40s or 50s and have presbyopia.
I find my progressives suck in VR and single vision distance lenses work best for me, as the progressives distort the image based on what part of the lens you are looking through (which basically distorts/wastes the bottom third of your view/display, which I guess simulates the real world view of progressive glasses, but is also annoying in the real world and who wants to simulate the annoying parts of reality... oh wait, I just remembered there is a Job Simulator, so someone does! :D)

I just searched and found an article that states that most headsets have lenses with a fixed focal length of 1.2-2 metres, so I guess it makes sense to use distance lenses, though it seems counterintuitive, as the actual screen is so close.
 
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No, not at all. My point is Tim Cook’s Apple is not as focused on user experience and users satisfaction as Steve Jobs was.

I have amblyopia. How am I supposed to use this device? Black out one of the eye screens?

Are you gonna tell me “that sucks“, but we have to satisfy other customers?

Steve wouldn’t say that.

Really? I don’t recall Steve Jobs worrying about satisfying everyone. That was part of his charm, and he was even willing to tell people they were holding it wrong.
 
Wrong, all other headsets are sold as video game devices or professional work use instruments, you use them for specific tasks, not one is sold as a home use or general use item just like your phone, that's EXACTLY how Apple is advertising this thing, it will fail in its sales. Even for a first gen product. It looks ridiculous and disconnects you from everyone else.
They think you'll walk around with this thing on shopping etc. I think you and Apple will soon realise no body will want this, when all it does is the same as their phone, whilst making you look stupid.
Personally I’m a huge fan of VR, but I tend to agree that I can’t see the general population going for a headset, when lots of people complain about wearing 3d glasses for just a couple of hours to watch a movie.

That said, being old enough to recall a time before cell phones, people actually look pretty stupid walking around using their phones, but we’ve just gotten used to it.
 
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You would be surprised the kinds of lens that VR/AR prescription sites like VROptician produce. Admittedly lenses with high SPH and CYL do get rather pricy… the pair for my Quest 2 cost about $160… but it can be done. (and honestly that would be a drop in the bucket after spending 3.5k on a headset…)
Hopefully PRISM could be adjusted in software…
 
Any reason they couldn't just have a dial to tune in the diopter like every camera with a viewfinder? I know it wouldn't account for astigmatism but it would still be good enough for most people (usually astigmatism alone is not that bad).
 
Better to just apply that $3500 towards LASIK and wait for 2nd or 3rd version of Apple vision Pro. Better yet who needs eyes anyway when you can wait for the cortical implant version that connects directly to your cerebral cortex. Apple Vision Borg rumored to arrive sometime around 2035.
 
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Hopefully they sell each insert separately since some people have different prescriptions for each eye.
Most people with prescription lenses have slightly different prescriptions. I'd expect these are like any other prescription lenses - custom order, not pulled off the shelf.
Unfortunately, I'm also expecting that prism might not be supported, so I will have to sit this one out.
 
I think Apple has missed big time on price justifications. He said just think how much you spend on a good TV, entertainment system, and speakers. Well, it’s true, but I can share that system with every member of the family. Unless you are shelling out 12-20K to buy one for each family member, I don’t see this having the same value as a Dolby Atmos home theater.
Yeah, that was a bit lame. I don't think Apple needed to justify the price for this thing. They never do anyway.
Super 1st gen product, nichey for a while, just hardcore geeks and pros will get it and they are not that price sensitive.
 
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