Apple Vision Pro Launches: 'The Era of Spatial Computing Has Arrived'

[klasma]

"Computers" were just a made up term at some point too. As was desktop computing. Etc.

Computers were originally the employees doing scientific or financial computations. Then electronic computers took over some of their job.

What Apple calls Spatial Computing is what is normally called VR and MR/XR. Apple also didn’t invent the term, it has been used since the early 90s (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spatial_computing#History), though it never quite caught on. IMO it’s unlikely to catch on now as well.

 

[Timo_Existencia]

Joanna Stern is really leaning positive...

 

[Timo_Existencia]

Tim Cook at the NYC 5th Avenue Store...

 

[JapanApple]

wonderful day! apple fan

 

[victorvictoria]

'The Era of Spatial Computing Has Arrived'

The market would differ. Apple was $195.18/share on January 23 this year. Yesterday it closed at $186. Premarket trading at 8 am today indicates an open of $180.90. Dow 30 futures are down 81.84 points pre-market. Virtually of that is the result of the drop in Apple's stock price.

For comparison, you could say 'The era of electric vehicles has arrived.' Notable drops in sales, and drops in resource allocation to EV R&D, and layoffs in that sector by GM, Ford and Tesla in the last 2 quarters would imply that American drivers would disagree that the era of internal combustion is over, for a multitude of reasons. Price being one of the factors in common with the VisionPro. Charging issues being another.

When Apple can produce a VisionPro that can run 6-8 hours on a charge, make and take phone calls, weigh the same as a pair of eyeglasses and cost the same as an iPhone, I'd agree that 'The Era of Spatial Computing Has Arrived.' Til then, I reserve judgement.

 

[Timo_Existencia]

The market would differ. Apple was $195.18/share on January 23 this year. Yesterday it closed at $186. Premarket trading at 8 am today indicates an open of $180.90. Dow 30 futures are down 81.84 points pre-market. Virtually of that is the result of the drop in Apple's stock price.

So, are you going to short Appl?

 

[miiwtoo]

great, now the next step is drop the fu... price or else

 

[ninethirty]

'The Era of Spatial Computing Has Arrived'

The market would differ. Apple was $195.18/share on January 23 this year. Yesterday it closed at $186. Premarket trading at 8 am today indicates an open of $180.90. Dow 30 futures are down 81.84 points pre-market. Virtually of that is the result of the drop in Apple's stock price.

For comparison, you could say 'The era of electric vehicles has arrived.' Notable drops in sales, and drops in resource allocation to EV R&D, and layoffs in that sector by GM, Ford and Tesla in the last 2 quarters would imply that American drivers would disagree that the era of internal combustion is over, for a multitude of reasons. Price being one of the factors in common with the VisionPro. Charging issues being another.

When Apple can produce a VisionPro that can run 6-8 hours on a charge, make and take phone calls, weigh the same as a pair of eyeglasses and cost the same as an iPhone, I'd agree that 'The Era of Spatial Computing Has Arrived.' Til then, I reserve judgement.

I don't really think it matters if you agree or not.

 

[Surf Monkey]

When Apple can produce a VisionPro that can run 6-8 hours on a charge, make and take phone calls, weigh the same as a pair of eyeglasses and cost the same as an iPhone, I'd agree that 'The Era of Spatial Computing Has Arrived.' Til then, I reserve judgement.

That will never happen.

 

[victorvictoria]

So, are you going to short Appl?

I don't trade Apple stock. That would indicate a short term horizon. When I buy a company, I only consider its prospects over a 5-20 year horizon. I'm a bit over 20 years with Apple, having bought when Jobs returned, but I believe in the next 5-20 years. Just not in the VisionPro. I think its the 21st century Newton. Apple survived that, and will survive this.

 

[victorvictoria]

I don't really think it matters if you agree or not.

No argument there. What matters is whether the market agrees. So far, the market does.

 

[victorvictoria]

That will never happen.

It will happen. Just not in the foreseeable future. Technology will at some point reach that level, as it always does. That may be in 2 years, it may be in 10. Obviously, an advanced AI will accelerate that event horizon.

 

[Timo_Existencia]

Scott Stein on CNN this morning. His Persona actually look really good, I think. They're showing it live on CNN...

...and at the end of the interview, the host said "the avatar is slick!"

 

[HobeSoundDarryl]

any significance that this 1st day of consumer availability is Groundhogs Day?

Yes, if you put it on but can still see your shadow, you're using the wrong light seal.

If you sleep in it and wake up every morning to a Sonny & Cher song, there may be no hope for you... but, with a little effort- over and over and over again- you can become God-like for the day, learn to play the piano like an expert in "only one lesson" and possibly get the girl at the end. If so, say hello to Ned Ryerson... and buy some insurance from the guy.... and don't forget the Wrestlemania tickets for the honeymooners.

 

[Timo_Existencia]

That will never happen.

So, Mr. Monkey I consider you to be something like the band leader of the anti-vision pro movement. I say that lovingly, of course...

Care to record, here and now, your final prediction for the AVP?

 

[Surf Monkey]

It will happen. Just not in the foreseeable future. Technology will at some point reach that level, as it always does. That may be in 2 years, it may be in 10. Obviously, an advanced AI will accelerate that event horizon.

The presumption that technological advancement is a constant upward spiral ignores the bulk of human history and the basic limitations of the physical universe. Some things are not possible and will never be possible. The Vision system will never fit in a pair of standard glasses frames. Not now, not 10 years from now and not 20 years from now. Glasses frames simply aren’t large enough to contain all the required components without so many compromises that it isn’t “Vision” anymore.

 

[Surf Monkey]

Yes, if you put it on but can still see your shadow, you're using the wrong light seal.

If you sleep in it and wake up every morning to a Sonny & Cher song, there may be no hope for you... but, with a little effort- over and over and over- again you can become God-like for the day, learn to play the piano like an expert in "only one lesson" and possibly get the girl at the end.

Seems to me that the obvious answer is that 3D, which has been tried and failed over and over and over again for about 70 years, is likely to go through the exact same loop it always does.

 

[Surf Monkey]

So, Mr. Monkey I consider you to be something like the band leader of the anti-vision pro movement. I say that lovingly, of course...

Care to record, here and now, your final prediction for the AVP?

Your smug challenge is redundant. My thoughts about the system are on record and your characterization of them is consistently inaccurate, so…

 

[Timo_Existencia]

Your smug challenge is redundant. My thoughts about the system are on record and your characterization of them is consistently inaccurate, so…

So then, clear it up...I won't even comment on it so as to not misrepresent your position.

 

[Timo_Existencia]

The presumption that technological advancement is a constant upward spiral ignores the bulk of human history and the basic limitations of the physical universe. Some things are not possible and will never be possible. The Vision system will never fit in a pair of standard glasses frames. Not now, not 10 years from now and not 20 years from now. Glasses frames simply aren’t large enough to contain all the required components without so many compromises that it isn’t “Vision” anymore.

And btw, I generally agree with you on this.

 

[Rogifan]

Except it does. That's just something you said; it doesn't mean anything.

Spatial computing - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Fair enough. I’d still argue it’s marketing speak for Apple. They don’t want to use VR because god forbid they’d be compared to Meta.

 

[Bodhitree]

So, ‘the era of spatial computing’, yeah… it may have arrived, but it has only just started, the app ecosystem isn’t very rich yet and the market not very big.

I think we can afford to wait a few years to see how this develops. My guess is, it will be moderately successful, but I don’t see any application that makes this a must-have for me.

But then, I watch perhaps 2-3 hours of tv a week, don’t do any gaming, I spend most of my time on my iPad. And I don’t think I’ll need AVP to listen to Alan Watts on YouTube.

 

[citysnaps]

When Apple can produce a VisionPro that can run 6-8 hours on a charge, make and take phone calls, weigh the same as a pair of eyeglasses and cost the same as an iPhone, I'd agree that 'The Era of Spatial Computing Has Arrived.'

That's coming. The naysayers who have little insight into technology will reflexively say NO as they're armchair "technologists" rather than engineers, never having created/developed anything tech-related and keeping their imagination safely stored away in a drawer. They're the same people who proclaimed iPod/iPhone/iPad/Watch/AirPods/etc as flops on introduction day.

This reminds me of when Martin Cooper, an employee at Motorola, developed the first cellphone (and a system to support it). As a gifted/superb engineer and aware of the potential, he knew what the future would bring to the masses. Of course the naysayers laughed back then.

 

[Timo_Existencia]

Alan Watts on YouTube.

Alan Watts was somewhat famously known for speaking to a small group of people gathered around him...maybe an AVP app that puts you into such a space to listen to him, transporting you to a more direct experience of his teachings.

 

[glambutnerdy]

It will be interesting to see how it fares, but I have doubts. It doesn't really fit any niche for the average consumer like a smartphone, or even watch has. The price point also alienates the majority from the odd few gadget enthusiasts with too much time and money on their hands. And the design... well, I'd feel ridiculous wearing that out, as would many I presume, which further restricts the potential use case I suppose.