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Yeah. I have backed it up and not just in this thread. The fact that you dislike what the sources I posted had to say isn’t on me.
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Apple Vision Pro Launches: 'The Era of Spatial Computing Has Arrived'
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Yeah. I have backed it up and not just in this thread. The fact that you dislike what the sources I posted had to say isn’t on me.
Steve Jobs Turtleneck
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Abazigal
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I feel we are getting too caught up in the terminology and trying to classify these devices into neat categories, rather than evaluate what each can do on their own merit.
Let's say I agree with you that both technically count as "mixed reality" headsets, whatever that means. How well does each then fare at a particular task? For example, we have seen people cooking with the Vision Pro headset on, as well as using it in public and even interacting with it in a crowded subway. This is made possible because the sub-12 millisecond passthrough of the vision pro allows users to react to things they see in the camera feed almost as quickly as they are seeing it in real time.
Meanwhile, feedback on the Quest 3's passthrough is that it can get pretty laggy and grainy at times, which may be fine with you are simply using it indoors in a controlled environment, but potentially disastrous if you are attempting to interact with the world around you in public. Apple clearly intends for the vision pro to be reliable enough to be used pretty much anywhere, and it shows in the effort they have made in this aspect, to the point of creating their own custom silicon just for this.
Then there is the ecosystem (like the vision pro automatically connecting to Macs to serve as an external display), and that a cheaper headset invariably means having to compromise in certain areas like passthrough and eye-tracking at a time when the emphasis on them has never been greater.
I feel that Zuckerberg's "Ballmer moment" was when he claimed the vision pro would be too isolating because it didn't involve the metaverse. We now see Facebook adopt a less dismissive tone about how they want to be the android version of the Vision Pro, which I guess is a weird flex, given how android devices tend to have lower revenue per user, as well as lower satisfaction and loyalty rates compared to iOS.
Personally, I have this suspicion that if Meta tries to be the android corollary to the vision pro and fails, they would have inadvertently helped position the Vision Pro alongside the iPad and Apple Watch in terms of not having any genuine, meaningful competition.
Mrkevinfinnerty
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Steve Jobs Turtleneck
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It really is, I don't know what is more cringe this or any of i Justine's shill videos.
Edit - I didn't read the rest of it, I assumed this was one of those Tim Cooke era sheep. He is right though this product is trash. It is clear they were working on this when Google glass was the hottest talk of the town and are now trying to make back that money they invested in.
Macintosh was priced at the top end of the home consumer market 40 years ago similar to how the VP is today. There are mixed-reality headsets today that can cost many thousands more than the VP today for the business market just as there were more expensive computers than Macintosh for the business market 40 years ago.
There were much cheaper computers for the home consumer market 40 years ago and there are cheaper mixed realty headsets for the home market today.
A main difference is that the starting price of the Macintosh in today's dollars was even less attainable for typical families 40 years ago than the $3,499 VP is today. You can not only get a Vision Pro ($3,499) but also an iMac ($1,299), HP printer ($170), MacBook Air ($999), iPad Air ($599), Apple TV 4K ($129), iPhone SE ($429) and Apple Watch SE ($249) for less than the launch retail price of the Macintosh alone (around $7,500 in today's dollars) in 1984.
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vipergts2207
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Since you didn’t give an answer, I’ll ask you again, where are the $3500 consumer headsets akin to the Compaq Portable? You say the AVP is priced at the top end of the consumer market, rather than well above it. Or are you now saying the AVP is aimed at the business market rather than being a device meant for the consumer market? I could understand that argument, considering the business oriented MS Hololense 2 starts at $3500. You seem to have a habit of not responding the actual post and instead going off on tangents, which happens to be quite telling.
Edit: You know what, instead of going in circles with you in this I’ll just note for clarity that you weren’t able to name any other consumer level mixed reality headsets for around the $3500 price point, making your claim that this is akin to how the Macintosh was priced versus competitors plainly incorrect.
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As I've stated several times, just as the iPhone and Macintosh were at the top end of the consumer market in their categories when they launched, the VP is as well. Just as there were business computers more expensive than the Macintosh 40 years ago, there are mixed reality headsets that are significantly more expensive than the VP. Just as there were home computers available for significantly less than the Macintosh was, there are mixed reality headsets available for less than the VP. The VP is less than half what the Macintosh starting price was (in today’s dollars) at launch.
vipergts2207
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Only if you loosely define "at the top end of the consumer market" so egregiously that it means 3.5x another device at the top end of the market, then sure. 😂
Nobody is buying what you're selling.
ocnitsa
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Y'all missed what I was saying...Someone else quoted me too to logically argue with me that cars are better than horses. Yeah. They are. Lmao. I'm saying that the benefits of Vision Pro will be obvious in hindsight to all the people saying "this is a solution searching for a problem." People said that same thing about all kinds of technology in the past.
turbineseaplane
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The funniest part is seeing all the VC, Real Estate Developer/Twitter Influencers, Software people who follow him replying about how great this is and how much this is the future and nobody sees it yet.
Everyone is so desperate to be "first" to be "right" about something in the future.
It's like a symptom of the social media disease where everyone is just SO SO SO wanting to be ahead of others and "correct" about where "the puck is going" (see! I KNEW IT -- I AM A VISIONARY!)
They all just delete their totally wrong predictions later
Mrkevinfinnerty
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Yep.
Case in point. The Casey Neistat 'this is the greatest piece of technology ever in the world' video.
Truth is if this bombs, nobody remembers that they said it, if it takes of they get to remind everyone that they were there on day one !
turbineseaplane
macrumors Penryn
And honestly, I respect Casey for "doing what he does" and getting super loaded doing it ...
But c'mon - the guy is sort of a clown about it all
He's doing what he knows gets clicks, regardless of what he really might think.
I think with a few beers in him, in private, he'd probably admit it
Can one blame him?
Brotha' gettin' paid!
Mrkevinfinnerty
macrumors 68040
Definitely, thats the nature of Youtube, you have to do that for the views.
Nilay Patel in the Verge has been the best review i've seen so far. He reviewed the device that exists today, not some fantasy of what it might be at some point in the future.
turbineseaplane
macrumors Penryn
I wish more tech folks would do that.
They are supposed to be reviewing a currently released product, not a potential product of the future
Right, but he's doing the exact same thing.
It's apparently "cool" now to publish "predictions" that are fully at odds with the opinions of people that have used the device for much longer (i.e. MKBHD, etc).
The Verge did this. And Nilay is bullish on the product - 7/10 bullish anyway.
I've tried to imagine the utility of such VR headsets beyond pure entertainment, and I can see where folks in the sciences and medicine and manufacturing will (and already have been) exploiting such visualization tech to great advantage. However, as someone with no such needs I do not see where such an interface will offer any personal benefit, though I'll remain open-minded.
My initial reaction was, "Oh great, just another piece of tech enabling folks to help block out their own personal reality even more effectively." To put this more concisely, where the arts and music and entertainment are clearly facets of the human experience, I am also observant of the equal-realities of human self-isolation, narcissism and addiction, and personal perceptions of self-omnipotence, and both personal denial and willful-contempt of one's real-life integration to society and their existant place in the natural world.
Where it is the nature of reality that for every positive charge there is an equal negative charge, and it is how the universe works, I remain nonplussed that such immersive technology, for all its perceived benefits, will be worth the actual balance-sheet of counter-benefits.
There are >5.24 billion more folks walking this planet today than when I was born, a near-tripling and counting, and I'm not seeing any real need for more "entertainment" toys that promote the willful consumption of our planet's resources and is causal to the extinction of our co-inhabitant species. Products and tech that promote human resource-consumption down-sizing are of my key interests...for me, this is not one of those products.
My initial reaction was, "Oh great, just another piece of tech enabling folks to help block out their own personal reality even more effectively." To put this more concisely, where the arts and music and entertainment are clearly facets of the human experience, I am also observant of the equal-realities of human self-isolation, narcissism and addiction, and personal perceptions of self-omnipotence, and both personal denial and willful-contempt of one's real-life integration to society and their existant place in the natural world.
Where it is the nature of reality that for every positive charge there is an equal negative charge, and it is how the universe works, I remain nonplussed that such immersive technology, for all its perceived benefits, will be worth the actual balance-sheet of counter-benefits.
There are >5.24 billion more folks walking this planet today than when I was born, a near-tripling and counting, and I'm not seeing any real need for more "entertainment" toys that promote the willful consumption of our planet's resources and is causal to the extinction of our co-inhabitant species. Products and tech that promote human resource-consumption down-sizing are of my key interests...for me, this is not one of those products.
vipergts2207
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Those predictions are not off to a great start.
Apple Cuts Vision Pro Shipments as Demand Falls 'Sharply Beyond Expectations'
Apple has dropped the number of Vision Pro units that it plans to ship in 2024, going from an expected 700 to 800k units to just 400k to 450k units, according to Apple analyst Ming-Chi Kuo. Orders have been scaled back before the Vision Pro has launched in markets outside of the United...
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