Apple Voices Support for Lawsuit Challenging Trump's Decision to End DACA

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  1. MacRumors macrumors bot


    Apr 12, 2001

    Apple this afternoon joined several other tech companies to support a lawsuit filed by California Attorney General Xavier Bercerra aiming to block the withdrawal of the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program, which United States President Donald Trump said would be phased out over the course of the next six months.

    Apple employs more than 250 DACA holders or "Dreamers" across 28 states, Apple VP of People Deidre O'Brien said in the company's filing, shared by Axios.
    Along with Apple, many other tech companies filed briefs in support of the legal challenge to prevent the end of DACA, including Microsoft, Google, IBM, Twitter, Salesforce, Dropbox, eBay, HP, LinkedIn, Reddit, PayPal, and more.

    Following Trump's decision to phase out DACA, Cook sent an email to Apple employees pledging the company's support. Cook promised Apple would work with members of Congress to advocate for a legislative solution that will continue to protect the children of immigrants, and he said Apple is working with impacted Apple employees to provide support, including access to immigration experts.

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    Article Link: Apple Voices Support for Lawsuit Challenging Trump's Decision to End DACA
  2. Jimmy Bubbles macrumors 6502

    Jimmy Bubbles

    Jul 10, 2008
    Nashville, TN
    DACA was also an Executive Order that was unlawfully done instead of it being law that was created by the House and passed as laws normally should be.
  3. SonicSoundVW macrumors regular

    Jul 22, 2014
    Michigan, USA
    I love this crap. He's not ending it. He's putting it in the hands of Congress and the Senate.. where it belongs to be decided. If they cant find a solution then people need to start being voted out of office. Because there is a large group who refuses to do anything because of #feelings.
  4. Shirasaki macrumors G3


    May 16, 2015
    Is this related to adoption? If so, why terminate it? I don’t understand.
  5. JPIndustrie macrumors 6502a


    Mar 12, 2008
    Queens, NY
    Guess the average age of apple product ownership is getting older judging by these comments :)

    It was only an executive order because the congress at the time couldn’t get over their own asses to pass anything.

    Kinda like the current Congress AND administration. At least Obama's exec orders were actually you know, popular...
  6. glindon macrumors regular


    Jun 9, 2014
    It’s shameful that they would take sides with non-citizens instead of employing 250 Americans.
  7. nickcliborne macrumors 6502

    Aug 25, 2008
    Nut house
    Popular with whom? His policies were clearly rejected leading to the election of Trump.
  8. tgara macrumors 6502a


    Jul 17, 2012
    Connecticut, USA
    It was also very likely unconstitutional, as its counterpart DAPA was found to be. Mr. Trump is following the law and putting the issue in front of Congress where it will be decided by the representatives of the people of this country. It was Mr. Obama who abused the law by enacting the EO in the first place, and put these Dreamers in this position.
  9. budselectjr macrumors 6502a

    Oct 6, 2009
    Oh shut up Tim. Hopefully the tax reform bill specifically excludes Apple.
  10. shyam09, Nov 1, 2017
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    shyam09 macrumors 68020


    Oct 31, 2010
    Exactly. Remind me of this comic strip from Calvin and Hobbes:

    EDIT: some of the strips weren't appearing, so took a screenshot.
  11. fairuz, Nov 1, 2017
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    fairuz macrumors 68020


    Aug 27, 2017
    Silicon Valley
    Yeah, it sucks. It doesn't make sense to remove it now, other than to set precedent at the cost of being utterly cruel, but it was very irresponsible in the first place.
  12. usarioclave macrumors 65816

    Sep 26, 2003
    DACA was a cynical way for Democrats to pander to their base while not making any kind of progress on the issue. Doing things by executive action is a cop-out, because the next guy can reverse it.

    Now Democrats are playing a bad game by suing about a change to an EO. An EO by definition isn't legislation. if the Democrats actually win the case (which hopefully they won't), they will have magically created another way to legislate - one without oversight or any way for anyone to change, including future administrations.

    I'm not sure why anyone thinks that's a good idea. For Democrats, imagine a Trump EO that is essentially a perpetual law.
  13. unobtainium macrumors 68020

    Mar 27, 2011
    Popular with the actual majority of voters? Only 38% currently approve of Trump, and he lost the popular vote by 3 million lol.
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    Obama's hand was forced by congressional deadlock, which was caused by Republicans.
    By the way, how do you feel about Trump's executive orders?
  14. Nunyabinez macrumors 68000


    Apr 27, 2010
    Provo, UT
    I thought the purpose of this was to give people who got here illegally through no fault of their own, time to make themselves legal. If Apple cares so much about their 250 workers why doesn't TC hire some lawyers to get them converted to a permanent legal status?

    How is it that children brought to America have become adult employees without complying with the law?

    I don't have any desire to deport these people, but if they can't be bothered to do what it takes to be a legal citizen then they shouldn't have everyone falling all over themselves to protect them.
  15. NIKKG macrumors 6502


    Feb 23, 2012
    Yeah, like I believe the same fake news polling that said Hillary will win by a landslide...
  16. usarioclave macrumors 65816

    Sep 26, 2003
    "Congressional deadlock" is another way of saying "I don't know how to manage the legislative process." Neither of the previous Presidents had problems getting legislation through Congress.

    Specifically, Trump at least brought his stuff to a vote, something that Obama was never able to do.
  17. EightyTwenty macrumors 6502a

    Mar 11, 2015
    DACA was a temporary executive order. Any president has the power to terminate it. Full stop.

    So simple even a liberal can understand it.
  18. Shirasaki macrumors G3


    May 16, 2015
    Ik this is a bit off topic but how to read that strip?
  19. unobtainium macrumors 68020

    Mar 27, 2011
    You don’t doubt that he lost the popular vote by 3 million right? Because if you doubt that, then you doubt the legitimacy of the election :)
  20. shyam09 macrumors 68020


    Oct 31, 2010
    Left to right, row by row.
  21. BeforeTheMeds, Nov 1, 2017
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    BeforeTheMeds macrumors 6502


    Jun 26, 2016
    Edomx, MX
    Don't hold your breath.
  22. TheColtr macrumors 6502

    Feb 1, 2014
    That’s like saying rapists and murders aren’t killed fast enough (or at all) on death row, so I’ll break into prison and kill them myself.

    Just because it *may seem* like the right thing to do, doesn’t mean it is the legal thing to do.
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    It’s actually refreshing to see people who actually understand what’s going on. Trump made a smart move by doing nothing. He let the executive order run out, and put it into congress hands. If it is such a popular opinion then congress should have no problem passing that law.
  23. KPOM macrumors G5

    Oct 23, 2010
    No. It relates to people who came here illegally and brought their children with them. DACA offers limited amnesty to the children. It has merit but should be debated by Congress rather than imposed by executive fiat.

    I say this as someone generally supportive of liberal border policies.
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    That’s true. Congress didn’t pass a law so the previous administration came up with this.
  24. Tork macrumors regular


    Oct 14, 2006
    It never ceases to amaze me how little people know about this issue before spouting off opinions, and I’ll never understand how someone can morally support such a cruel and tragic decision. This country still has such a long way to go.....
  25. hulugu macrumors 68000


    Aug 13, 2003
    quae tangit perit Trump
    Again, that's not correct.

    The district court in Texas only issued a preliminary injunction, and a final decision was never reached. The Fifth Circuit Court agreed that the injunction could remain, and that decision was affirmed when the Supreme Court deadlocked 4-4 and kicked the decision back down. However, the merits of DAPA's apparent Constitutionality was not decided, and the case became moot following November's election.

    Moreover, what put the Dreamers in this position was the repeated, nearly decade-long failure for Congress to enact a reasonable Dream Act, despite wide-spread support on both sides of aisle. Strident anti-immigration forces have been successful in scaring Congress into refusing to act, allowing the situation to get worse. Obama's DACA order was a band-aid, but Congress had every opportunity to suture this wound.

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