Apple VP of Diversity and Inclusion Denise Young Smith Leaving the Company

[Technarchy]

i disagree with the notion of "white privilege" completely and its racist concepts, but to each their own. We can agree to disagree.

Really?

So blacks are denied equal access to housing, education, nutrition, medical treatment, justice system, banking, loans, lines of credit, and employment opportunities, legally, until the civil rights act of 1964 and it's not a problem today?

This thanksgiving, plenty of white people will be saying "I'm going to Grandma's house," or "The family cabin," paid for by Grandpa's pension and stable 30 years of employment. Meanwhile black Grandma lived in public housing and died at 55 from high blood pressure and heart disease because she grew up with no education, could only sweep floors all her life, and had no medical care. Black grandpa died in prison because he "fit the description" and couldn't afford a decent lawyer.

But yeah, no such thing as white privilege. It's all made up...

 

[stevet]

You’re missing a lot of the story. Anyway, from the things she said and the way she conducted herself, she clearly saw her job as not ensuring quotas were fulfilled, because her own words indicate she doesn’t believe in that but embraces the skills, perspectives and talent ALL people bring to Apple. She wanted to make sure that all the many diverse people, even if it was a group of blonde blue eyed white guys, would be able to come together and get on the same page even if they differed in key ways besides race.

We won’t know for sure but she looks like she could have been the victim of social justice warrioring of the most illogical, unreasonable and pernicious kind. And who knows, it may very well have been white people who did this to her, not the minorities. I’ve lost track of how many people I’ve seen, oddly enough white men, ranting that white men should die out. That makes no sense to me. We should all be championing our own causes as well as helping each other out or we will never be on a level playing field.

One of the most illogical rants I ever heard directed at me was from my very Caucasian sister in law who was in a spitting rage because I dared to refer to myself as Oriental instead of Asian and she said that was offensive. As if SHE has the right to determine what is offensive to ME, the actual minority. She was offended that I was not offended. The more I think about it, she’s guilty of cultural appropriation, in this case she’s appropriating my right to take offense at bigotry directed at my heritage. Dang, wish I had thought of saying that when she was flapping her gums at me. It would have just made her yell louder though. When she’s full of righteous indignation there’s no stopping her.

And that’s really the heart of our problems, everyone is puffed up with righteous indignation. This poor woman was just trying to get everyone chilled out and feeling like we are all important and have something to bring to the table. And this is how she gets treated and regarded. Sheesh.

I completely agree with your whole post. And my point wasn’t necessarily about her, it’s about how Apple views the position.

 

[Naaaaak]

"Diversity" means anti-white and anti-male.

The fact that all the SJW types were up in arms about her comment tells you as such.

The fact that no one calls for the NBA to institute "diversity" and hire more whites (and asians, etc.) tells you as such.

The fact that a position for "diversity chief" exists shows how low we've sunk as a society -- too many soy creatures giving into the actual racist diversity agenda out of fear of being called racist. Madness.

Hire on merit and fit and whatever your employee composition is: that's your diversity. Equality of opportunity, not of outcome.

 

[tomegun]

"Diversity" means anti-white and anti-male.

The fact that all the SJW types were up in arms about her comment tells you as such.

The fact that no one calls for the NBA to institute "diversity" and hire more whites (and asians, etc.) tells you as such.

The fact that a position for "diversity chief" exists shows how low we've sunk as a society -- too many soy creatures giving into the actual racist diversity agenda out of fear of being called racist. Madness.

Hire on merit and fit and whatever your employee composition is: that's your diversity. Equality of opportunity, not of outcome.

So you think there are white basketball players that aren’t drafted and signed based on their color?

Is the reason diversity is an issue only coincidence to you?

 

[Naaaaak]

So you think there are white basketball players that aren’t drafted and signed based on their color?

Is the reason diversity is an issue only coincidence to you?

You missed my point: Using race as a qualifier in any practice is by definition racist. Mandating "diversity" means you are mandating race or some other qualifier over skill / talent / quality / merit / etc.

The racists who push for "diversity" don't ever say the "NBA needs more white people" or look at any situation where whites are a minority because "diversity" to them means one thing: anti-white. A group that's devoid of white people is 100% "diverse" according to them.

I could care less what the composition of a group ends up being. The diversity / affirmative action cult specifically says that "diversity" means that the composition of something must be biased by race.

 

[EightyTwenty]

Really?

So blacks are denied equal access to housing, education, nutrition, medical treatment, justice system, banking, loans, lines of credit, and employment opportunities, legally, until the civil rights act of 1964 and it's not a problem today?

This thanksgiving, plenty of white people will be saying "I'm going to Grandma's house," or "The family cabin," paid for by Grandpa's pension and stable 30 years of employment. Meanwhile black Grandma lived in public housing and died at 55 from high blood pressure and heart disease because she grew up with no education, could only sweep floors all her life, and had no medical care. Black grandpa died in prison because he "fit the description" and couldn't afford a decent lawyer.

But yeah, no such thing as white privilege. It's all made up...

What you are describing is past racism against blacks in a specific region of the world, not "white privilege" (which doesn't exist).

Far more whites live in poverty than blacks in the United States. And Asian men earn more than any other group in the United States. Yellow privilege, yeah?

Black Nigerian immigrants also earn far more than the average American today. How does that happen? Do they have Nigerian privilege?

 

[tomegun]

You missed my point: Using race as a qualifier in any practice is by definition racist. Mandating "diversity" means you are mandating race or some other qualifier over skill / talent / quality / merit / etc.

The racists who push for "diversity" don't ever say the "NBA needs more white people" or look at any situation where whites are a minority because "diversity" to them means one thing: anti-white. A group that's devoid of white people is 100% "diverse" according to them.

I could care less what the composition of a group ends up being. The diversity / affirmative action cult specifically says that "diversity" means that the composition of something must be biased by race.

I think you are missing the point. The reason people are forced to look at diversity is because people of color have been denied jobs they were qualified for. To remove those programs would result in a step backwards. Mandating the removal of hate is currently the best answer. That is sad but I am open to a better solution. And by solution I mean a solution where ALL people are treated equal.

By the way, this is absolutely not the definition of racism. Using the “but you did it to” theory found in elementary schools across the country is convenient, but not racism. It is a program to force a fix to racism.

 

[Rum_Becker]

I think you are missing the point. The reason people are forced to look at diversity is because people of color have been denied jobs they were qualified for.

And the solution for the problem is to stop denying POC jobs based on race, doing the exact same injustice based on race is not the solution.

Jews have been discriminated throughout time more than any other people and were almost exterminated in the recent past, guess what we don't have AA for jews. After WW2 the remaining jews rebuilt and have done amazing things, if they black community took some responsibility they would be in a much better place.

No matter the colour of your skin if you follow 3 steps you will break the poverty cycle.

• Finish High School
• Get a job
• Only have kids once you are married

If follow these steps no matter the colour of your skin, you will most likely not live in poverty. Guess what? black community has the highest single motherhood rate (almost 80%). The only one to blame for being a single mother is the mother(unless raped), all they need to do is close their legs and the poverty cycle will be gone in 1 generation. What does the left do, they glorify single motherhood, even though all the statistics show that their kids will be impacted greatly because of this.

 

[tomegun]

And the solution for the problem is to stop denying POC jobs based on race, doing the exact same injustice based on race is not the solution.

Jews have been discriminated throughout time more than any other people and were almost exterminated in the recent past, guess what we don't have AA for jews. After WW2 the remaining jews rebuilt and have done amazing things, if they black community took some responsibility they would be in a much better place.

No matter the colour of your skin if you follow 3 steps you will break the poverty cycle.

• Finish High School
• Get a job
• Only have kids once you are married

If follow these steps no matter the colour of your skin, you will most likely not live in poverty. Guess what? black community has the highest single motherhood rate (almost 80%). The only one to blame for being a single mother is the mother(unless raped), all they need to do is close their legs and the poverty cycle will be gone in 1 generation. What does the left do, they glorify single motherhood, even though all the statistics show that their kids will be impacted greatly because of this.

Wow, it didn’t take long for you to show your true colors - pun intended.

When checking the race box, what do Jewish people check? Caucasian right? So what are they considered to be?

Are you comparing the Jewish holocaust (something that did NOT happen in America but was horrific) to slavery - deaths during voyages and as a result of slavery - and the hundreds of years of institutional racism?

To say the black community doesn’t take responsibility is a sweeping generalization showing what is in your heart - and highlighting the need for these programs. By the way, I am retired Air Force, have three master degrees, married, my wife has a MBA, we got married around 30 and neither one of us had kids. We have one daughter now that will be taught the value of education. We both work full time and are active in our church. Oh, and I am a black man who is part of your stereotype of the black community.

Smh...wow.

 

[Naaaaak]

The reason people are forced to look at diversity is because people of color have been denied jobs they were qualified for.

Diversity and affirmative action are very programs which deny qualified people based on the color of their skin. Discriminating against other groups for past transgressions doesn't fix anything or make it right.

To remove those programs would result in a step backwards.

Explain to me how removing programs which discriminate on the basis of race are a step backwards. Is eliminating racial discrimination not the end-goal?

I mean a solution where ALL people are treated equal.

Forcing a number of people of a certain skin color or gender to be hired is not treating people equally. Disqualifying candidates because "oops, he's a white male, that's not politically 'cool' to hire right now because some Democrats chant it" is not treating people equally.

By the way, this is absolutely not the definition of racism.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/racism
"racism: racial prejudice or discrimination" which is exactly what corporate diversity programs are.

It is a program to force a fix to racism.

Tell me what corporate diversity says the ideal hiring ratio is for all the races in order to 'fix racism'? Is it 1 white to 2 blacks? 1 asian for every 1 european? What's the rule for white Canadians vs white Americans -- who gets the job if they are equally qualified? Does a candidate get a diversity score multiplier if they don't know their gender? Is the Elizabeth Warren rule in effect (is a candidate more "diverse" for claiming 1/32 Native American)?

Tell me why any corporation needs a position of "diversity chief" to decide such nonsense, and why any of these considerations will lead to "less racism", instead of just hiring "the best candidate for the position at the time of the posting".

Also tell me why no one in professional sports uses these new diversity hiring rules. Don't they need to "fix racism", too?

 

[tomegun]

Diversity and affirmative action are very programs which deny qualified people based on the color of their skin. Discriminating against other groups for past transgressions doesn't fix anything or make it right.




Explain to me how removing programs which discriminate on the basis of race are a step backwards. Is eliminating racial discrimination not the end-goal?




Forcing a number of people of a certain skin color or gender to be hired is not treating people equally. Disqualifying candidates because "oops, he's a white male, that's not politically 'cool' to hire right now because some Democrats chant it" is not treating people equally.




https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/racism
"racism: racial prejudice or discrimination" which is exactly what corporate diversity programs are.



Tell me what corporate diversity says the ideal hiring ratio is for all the races in order to 'fix racism'? Is it 1 white to 2 blacks? 1 asian for every 1 european? What's the rule for white Canadians vs white Americans -- who gets the job if they are equally qualified? Does a candidate get a diversity score multiplier if they don't know their gender? Is the Elizabeth Warren rule in effect (is a candidate more "diverse" for claiming 1/32 Native American)?

Tell me why any corporation needs a position of "diversity chief" to decide such nonsense, and why any of these considerations will lead to "less racism", instead of just hiring "the best candidate for the position at the time of the posting".

Also tell me why no one in professional sports uses these new diversity hiring rules. Don't they need to "fix racism", too?

Team owners want to win so they don’t care about race to a certain point. I say to a certain point because you have a QB like Vince Young and then you have Blake Bortels. One is out of the league and one gets chance after chance. The NFL has the Rooney rules mandating minority interviews for coaches. It was created by a white man that realized hiring practices were not fair. Does that count for you?

You do realize that getting rid of these programs would basically be restoring racism against blacks right? Is that making America great again?

 

[jbizzybeetle]

Maybe I missed an earlier post on this TV series: Does "Wisdom of the Crowd" creator/cast/writer cast their dislike of Angela A. literally on the character "Nell," the new CEO of the fictional AllSourcer?

A giant red apple sculpture is displayed stage center rear of the AA-lookalike's office in a recent episode as Nell and character/founder Tanner enter and Nell flops into a red CEO chair; later camera angles go out of their way to hide the apple with close ups and behind actors' blocking.