Yeah I agree, just like lots of apples patents are BS at same level...
Apple vs. Qualcomm Trial Begins Today
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No one wins in any courts except lawyers.
B4U
macrumors 68040
I beg to differ.
Golf is a sport where we need to train our muscle memories.
B4U
macrumors 68040
Beer gut, you say?
How about baseball then?
I would not say poker is a sport, so no need to put words in my mouth.
macfacts
macrumors 603
Apple is whining about $7.50/iPhone in patent fees.
They're launching TV+ this fall, this looks like original content to me.
bayelrey80
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It's gotten better over the years and still one of the best on the market, so Qualcomm should get paid for that? How about FaceID too? Better yet, Google and Samsung make great cameras too, Qualcomm should get paid for that too?"The more Apple innovates with unique features such as Touch ID, advanced displays, and cameras, to name just a few, the more money Qualcomm collects for no reason and the more expensive it becomes for Apple to fund these innovations."
The camera is a "unique feature"?
realtuner
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You’re right they’re not BS patents.
But they have NOTHING to do with this case or all the other antitrust cases Qualcomm has LOST in the last few years, costing them billions in fines (and billions more likely to come). Or the $1 billion preliminary judgment ordering Qualcomm to give Apple money back for rebates.
As I said, Qualcomm is on a roll here with loss after loss in antitrust cases. Amazing people think they’re in the right when court after court all around the world have found Qualcomm guilty.
bayelrey80
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You're misinformed
realtuner
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Apple is complaining about billions in overcharges on patents. Pathetic attempt by you to try and minimize the dollar amount by trying to confine it to a single per-device fee, that happens to be ON TOP of the price already paid for the modem itself.
Hushpuppy!
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RealTuner said Antitrust case. Not patent case.
Besides, the case you’re referring to that Qualcomm won. One of these patents, flash booting, was conceived by an Apple Engineer in collaboration with Qualcomm. Unfortunately Apple and the engineer did not file for the patent on this idea and Qualcomm ran to the patent office as quick as their little thieving feet could take them.
https://iphone.appleinsider.com/art...dea-for-smartphone-boot-up-tech-from-engineer
If Apple wins we can look forward to the iPhone XS Max costing $1445 instead of $1449
zombierunner
macrumors 68000
The only winners are the legal firms representing the companies.
Tired of reading about all the court cases. I probably should just skip over them, but it's more fun to whine about it, as if that will make it go away. My advice, learn to play nice, just like they taught in kindergarten. It'll save billions of dollars, and a ton of embarrassment.
macfacts
macrumors 603
Apple is winning big here too. They get to spin the wheel for a chance to pay a lower fees to qualcomm.
cmaier
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True. Just lawyers.
Oh, and the prevailing parties.
Lawyers and the prevailing parties.
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True. Just the legal firms.
Oh, and the prevailing parties.
Legal firms and the prevailing parties.
This site is a 2 weeks late on the trial
My bad. So how many anti trust cases have there been that they lost?
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Then they should have made an agreement before using their IP
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realtuner
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- In April 2017 Qualcomm and Blackberry had a binding arbitration case. Qualcomm lost and now owes $940 million to Blackberry. Since it didn't go to court, details are limited. What we do know is it was related to royalty rebates due to Blackberry over the number of devices sold. Which sounds eerily similar to what Apple is complaining about (with Apple winning a preliminary $1 billion against Qualcomm just recently).
- In June 2018 Qualcomm was fined $1.2 billion by the EU for antitrust issues arising from Qualcomm paying Apple money to ensure exclusivity in using Qualcomm modems. Just a week ago Qualcomm lost another part of their antitrust case by trying to prevent the handing over of data to the EU regarding their antitrust case.
- In October 2017 Qualcomm was fined $774 million by Taiwan's Fair Trade Commission for overcharging royalties for their cellular modems and IP. Qualcomm struck a deal with Taiwan and had their fine "reduced" to $93 million in exchange for investing $700 million over 5 years into Taiwan's tech sector. Several companies are still protesting this decision as Qualcomm wasn't forced to change all their licensing practices.
- In December 2016, South Korea fined Qualcomm $854 million for antitrust issues surrounding modem and IP royalty/licensing. Prior to this Qualcomm was fined $243 million way back in 2009 over kickback issues to cell manufacturers to use Qualcomm modems exclusively. This fine was lowered slightly to $200 million just last month.
- In February 2015 Qualcomm accepted a penalty of $975 million in China over violating anti-monopoly laws over - you guessed it, royalties and licensing related to modems and related IP.
- The FTC in the US just wrapped up a trial (now awaiting a decision) accusing Qualcomm of antitrust practices related to their modems and licensing practices.
- Apple and Qualcomm start their trial today regarding, again, over payment of royalties.
And despite all of this people still have the nerve to think Qualcomm is in the right?
larrylaffer
macrumors 6502a
Lucy Ko should write a book when she retires.