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....Judge Koh made references to each side that they had "made their record [for appeal]" after quite a few of her decisions.

This is an old chestnut all trial judges resort to when they get tired of listening to a lawyer who keeps arguing a point after the trial judge has ruled the other way. It's the judicial equivalent to "talk to the hand", and it no more indicates a likelihood of prevailing on appeal than the analog implies that the hand is going to be more sympathetic.

This verdict was all about questions of fact that were for the jury to decide, and which may not be re-examined by any appellate court. If there were no meaningful errors by the trial judge when ruling on motions, in admitting or excluding evidence, or in charging the jury as to the controlling law, the verdict can't be overturned on appeal.

Samsung's public statement--or at least the portion quoted by MacRumors--didn't seem to focus on an appeal, but rather on trying to press their rather moot point that patent protection (I imagine particularly trade dress) is anti-consumer. (Of course, patent law has been anti-consumer since the first patent was issued in what is now the United States in 1641. It's always better for consumers when anyone with a lab can sell Lipitor for a fraction of the price Pfizer charges, but then consumers would never have drug companies investing much in research and development, and so to avoid heart attacks they'd then have to diet and exercise, something which consumers hate to do even more than paying money.)
 
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You realize apple hasn't sued google because....they'll get ripped to shreds in court.

Because Samsung is an IP lightweight.... They also happened to have one of the best , possibly the best, patent lawyers in the world. Apple had a strong case and they won.

Google's first shot with the ITC failed today. Admittedly filed here Google officially took over, it was still done with their knowledge and blessing. That first suit was Motorolla's strongest case. They failed.

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The most hilarious part is those celebrating this as if they've personally won something themselves.

Trust me, all this will lead to is higher prices, both for Android products, but Apple as well.

The iPhone is only $199 because it has to compete.

If it doesn't have to compete it can be $1999 and you'll be stuck buying it anyways.

Have fun celebrating your own stupidity morons.

It will always have to compete. Now it will have to compete against less products that are just repackaging their technology.
 
Because Samsung is an IP lightweight.... They also happened to have one of the best , possibly the best, patent lawyers in the world. Apple had a strong case and they won.

Google's first shot with the ITC failed today. Admittedly filed here Google officially took over, it was still done with their knowledge and blessing. That first suit was Motorolla's strongest case. They failed.

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It will always have to compete. Now it will have to compete against less products that are just repackaging their technology.

Only if you want to believe Apple invented touchscreens. Handheld, portable devices. Shapes, etc.

Thats the core problem, YES Apple has made some INCREDIBLE products. But they were not 100% original. They were taking what was already available and making it much better.

But they don't own the originality, just the improvements.

The problem with this entire case is people are stupid, most people call a Canon copy machine a "Xerox". Just as most people call a Samsung tablet an iPad. Because they're morons and have no desire to learn anything of value.
 
Or maybe Steve Jobs understood it completely, and the many armchair jurors who post on these board don't.

You are correct. People should watch that hour long interview that was recently released on video. He clearly understood exactly wha it meant.
 
Possible consequences? THERE WILL BE CONSEQUNECES.


They have awoken the sleeping dragon: Google.

Android phones is still outpacing iPhones. It's just that now many companies will be suing the pants off Apple...in their courts.

Wahahahahahahah....google actually warned Samsung about similarity :rolleyes:
 
This is an old chestnut all trial judges resort to when they get tired of listening to a lawyer who keeps arguing a point after the trial judge has ruled the other way. It's the judicial equivalent to "talk to the hand", and it no more indicates a likelihood of prevailing on appeal than the analog implies that the hand is going to be more sympathetic.

This verdict was all about questions of fact that were for the jury to decide, and which may not be re-examined by any appellate court. If there were no meaningful errors by the trial judge when ruling on motions, in admitting or excluding evidence, or in charging the jury as to the controlling law, the verdict can't be overturned on appeal.

Samsung's public statement--or at least the portion quoted by MacRumors--didn't seem to focus on an appeal, but rather on trying to press their rather moot point that patent protection (I imagine particularly trade dress) is anti-consumer. (Of course, patent law has been anti-consumer since the first patent was issued in the what is now the United States in 1641. It's always better for consumers when anyone with a lab can sell Lipitor for a fraction of the price Pfizer charges, but then consumers would never have drug companies investing much in research and development, and so to avoid heart attacks they'd then have to diet and exercise, something which consumers hate to do even more than paying money.)


x2. Juries are the sole triers of fact under the common law system (which we inherited from our brethren in England, but have done a better job than they in preserving). The appellate courts aren't going to quibble over whether or not the Nexus S or Fascinate copied some obscure feature. They are going to argue over whether the judge made some big time error (e.g. not allowing proper evidence into trial) that might have swayed the verdict.
 
Ha, hardly. Google is in rapid decline, and the evidence is everywhere. Like so many other online web companies, Google burned extremely brightly extremely quickly. They peaked not long ago, and are now in freefall. The quality of almost all of their services has been in steady decline, and I do believe this will mark the assured decline of Android as well.

I doubt it will mark the decline of Android; I think it will just force Google to come up with some different interface choices. I do think Google's decline is sad to see though, I used to respect them and their company culture pre-Android days. In my opinion, bringing on Eric Schmidt really screwed up the company. He changed the focus of Google from making good products to trying to be a greedy juggernaut.
 
The most hilarious part is those celebrating this as if they've personally won something themselves.

Trust me, all this will lead to is higher prices, both for Android products, but Apple as well.

The iPhone is only $199 because it has to compete.

If it doesn't have to compete it can be $1999 and you'll be stuck buying it anyways.

Have fun celebrating your own stupidity morons.

How are iOS devices going to be more expensive. If anything they have always set the standard for pricing. The competitors can't price their stuff like Apple and make profit. Google has to subsidize the cost of the Nexus 7.
 
Apple is the new microsoft

It's amazing how much 2012 Apple looks like 1998 Microsoft. Releasing second rate products and then putting all their efforts into beating competition in the courtroom instead of the marketplace.

Maybe if Apple actually gave you some choice of screen sizes and let you tweak your device without jailbreaking the lawsuit would be a none issue because samsung wouldn't be selling any hardware.

Oh well, my next cell phone is going to be a samsung android next month to replace my 4S unless apple surprises us with a 4.8" iPhone. If I can't get a laptop with a 2.5" drive bay and ram sockets, my 2011 MBP is also my last mac. I love apple software but if the hardware is garbage it doesn't matter.
 
How are iOS devices going to be more expensive. If anything they have always set the standard for pricing. The competitors can't price their stuff like Apple and make profit. Google has to subsidize the cost of the Nexus 7.

Yes, but with less products out on the market this allows for price gouging.
 
If windows 8 flops, then what? Everyone goes back to copying Apple.
See, now I hate this analogy (not yours the one you quoted) You guys run to Microsoft in stupid cases like this to prove your point.... but you are the first to complain about Windows.

The issues it's too big of a risk not to copy. Palm pre? Windows phone 7? BB10? According to users on this forum, the Mustang shouldnt exist because of the Camaro. Following trends is essential for some companies... Actually a lot.


Of course victory should go to the risk takers. Bit @ what point do we stop?

Apple drones keep preaching innovation. But when a company other tha Apple creates something, you reject it.
 
I probably was going to get the next iPhone.., but now I might sell the 4s for a galaxy s 3.
 
in 5-10 years we will be seeing the iphone as a relic. Fads and tech come and go. Something better will eventually come out. Question is, from where.

So far, the answer has been Apple.

Unless, you want the best phone on the market. Which as of right now, you can't get from Apple, you'll have to look to Samsungs Galaxy S3.

The jury has decided that the Galaxy isn't new. (Whether or not it's better is a matter for discussion.) That was the original point. That the big leaps in inovation have come from Apple. iMac, iPod, iPhone, iPad... all copied by others. Who, exactly, is copying Samsung?
 
Personally, I think the decision is bad for everyone. I like apple products as much as the next guy, but I absolutely hate when companies take ******** patents and use them as weapons against competitors.....esp competitors that are outselling them. (Samsung sells more phones that Apple).

I think Samsung makes damn good products; I have Samsung TV's, and a few other things (including a Galaxy S3 phone...Yes, it's awesome :D).

I think it will be overturned on appeal, or at least reduced. There's enough questionable stuff involved with this trail to warrant any concerns to be looked at.

Federal court house 10 miles from Apple HQ, jurors picked from a population that views SJ as the second coming of Christ, and 22 hours of deliberations on 700 questions (or...about 2 minutes a question).

Yeah, I can see how an appeals court won't think the jury might have been stacked. :rolleyes:


Samsuck make good products only because they have copied others. Sony, RIM, Nokia, Palm and now Apple. The only ones this outcome will hurt, are the ones who copy others. So you're applauding theft? If I came into your home and took whatever I wanted, you'd be ok with that? The only ones who don't like this judgement, are the fandroids, and the thief called samsuck.
 
I wonder if there is an opportunity for Both sides to get something good out of this?

Like, Apple waives some of the $1.05 Billion in damages for a $600M credit against current and future invoices or something along those lines.

Weird that these two companies are still in bed together despite all this.

Apple has already won the larger prize -- designs will start changing all around the world effective right NOW. The cash damages, in my opinion, are icing, and Apple could find a way to still hammer home the win, but also use it as a way to mend the fence some at the same time?

I dunno... just thinking out loud.

You do know that US courts don't decide for rest of world. Are you that stupid? No wonder people make fun of US education system. You people seem to really lack intelligence common to normal people.
 
Hate to be Samesung...ahem...I mean Samsung right now.
Gotta seriously suck. But hey, Samsung knew the party couldn't last forever.
I just hope Google took some notes and make some serious changes to Android.
I don't think anyone wants to see Apple go thermonuclear. Not after this win.

Google told Samsung several times to back off as they were too closely copying Apple.
 
The most hilarious part is those celebrating this as if they've personally won something themselves.

Trust me, all this will lead to is higher prices, both for Android products, but Apple as well.

The iPhone is only $199 because it has to compete.

If it doesn't have to compete it can be $1999 and you'll be stuck buying it anyways.

Have fun celebrating your own stupidity morons.

The iPhone is $199.00 is because its subsidized the the carrier, not to compete.

Android products don't have to be higher priced due to patents. Either they come up with their own ideas for free, or use Apples and pay them a fee.
 
"Consumers" are proving to be selfish enough to allow thievery to get them their desires of having Apple products made by numerous different companies, so they can claim to "hate Apple" and buy the ripoff of Apple (how ironic).

It isn't Apple's problem that consumers can't choose between a hundred Apple wannabe's. They did their thing, if you want it, buy it, if not, then the companies you buy from will have to create their own styles.

No thanks. I'll buy a Samsung Galaxy S II because I like the design and there are signature checks that restrict the execution of arbitrary code. That is an honest and legitimate reason for choosing an SGS II over an iPhone and to say that the consumer is some how at fault is an arrogant assertion.
 
Possible consequences? THERE WILL BE CONSEQUNECES.


They have awoken the sleeping dragon: Google.

Android phones is still outpacing iPhones. It's just that now many companies will be suing the pants off Apple...in their courts.

Apple should have a taste of their own medicine.

I think every company in the world should now sue Apple using their trivial patents.
 
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