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That’s like asking Joe Bloggs do you know what WiFi is? Grannies aside most people will know exactly what 5G is, they know what the internet is and WiFi and 4G because they are paying for it..!!
Here in the UK most people can get LTE. Stop thinking about your own country, it’s a global market not a local one..

And you should start thinking globally as well. But I guess it’s okay because you personally have LTE in your country.
 
You just confirmed what he said, rationalize their price point. I'm quite happy with LTE +/Advanced. I don't want to pay $1,500.00 for a phone because it's "5G".

Except he’s arguing Apple should do 5G to rationalize their current price point. So I didn’t conform what he said, I disagreed with it.
 
Do you fight in the playground as well?

Given that > 85% are phones are not Apple (and growing), I hardly think Qualcomm are going anywhere soon.
Agree. Very few companies will risk their entire business for $35/device
 
I think this needs to go into Arbitration.

By someone who doesn't really like either company.

And preferably by someone who has both worked @ Qualcomm, AND in the iPhone ecosystem.

It's NOT Rocket Science ... a deal could be hash'd-out in 1-2 weeks !
 
I honestly think it's useless to try and explain this things on this forum at this point, it's all uniformed snarky comments. It's sad how low the internet has fallen in the last 10 years.

Mine are not snarky:);):p:D:cool:!

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JK.

I'll try to be more hostile! /s
 
Apple has been working on their own modems for a bit so these trials might wind down just as Apple readies their own 3G/4G/5G solution.
Lol.. you think modems are that simple? Even Intel can't match Qualcomm, Samsung or Huawei in modem tech. What makes you think Apple will just walk it through?
 
Yes, you need to pay both to legally use a product from Qualcomm.

No.

When I buy Office, Windows OS, etc., I don't buy the software separately and the "royalty"/license!

And, I don't have to give up my first-born in the deal - Qualcomm wanting patents "from" Apple to close the deal.
 
Apple is putting themselves in a very dangerous spot. Now they're down to only one modem maker that will sell to them, Intel. How much longer until Apple replaces Intel CPU's with it's own in house design? Then pi**ses off Intel? Then both Intel and Qualcomm won't sell them modems. If you burn too many bridges, pretty soon you won't be able to go anywhere.

And you think Apple doesn’t know this? In Manufacturing, there are positions called “Supply chain risk management” where their sole function is to anticipate and avoid this very problem. Apple is a huge company that probably has a large team of people dedicated to this very role.

Keep in mind, Qualcomm is the owner of standards-essential patents and technology, hence the whole FTC antitrust lawsuit we are talking about here. They are not supposed to conduct business in this fashion as the owner of this standards-essential technology.

Also keep in mind that Apple has been developing their own in-house baseband modems for years now.
 
"... trusts Apple unequivocally.." :D

I hope you realise, some day, how ignorant that entire comment is. The whole if it. Apple is one of the masters of arm-twisting, bullying, anti-competitive practices. Which planet are you on?

And you trust Apple to charge you appropriately? That's like the complete opposite of their entire business model!

I disagree with your analysis of Apple. there will be no middle ground for you and I. Just move along and let this fanboy be an idiot (in your eyes).

you joined today...just to post this? Let me guess, you own a ChromeCast and Samsung phone, too.

setting you to ignore. The beauty of the internet is you ignore people who are completely opposite ends of the spectrum...mostly windows & samsung users because they wake up on the wrong side of technology.
 
You experience the quality difference between an Intel and Qualcomm Chip when you're distant from Tower A but not close enough to be handed off to Tower B. That's my scenario at my home. Or when you are in the middle of a Big Box Store, and those with Qualcomm gets 1-2 bars and those with Intel gets "No Service".

80-90% of the developed world has this problem - 90+% in the USA.

Don't you think that this is an infrastructure issue with the cell providers - not enough cell towers? The mighty cell phone has only that much power in transmitting.

Imagine the horror when 5G is the standard.
 
I disagree with your analysis of Apple. there will be no middle ground for you and I. Just move along and let this fanboy be an idiot (in your eyes).

you joined today...just to post this? Let me guess, you own a ChromeCast and Samsung phone, too.

setting you to ignore. The beauty of the internet is you ignore people who are completely opposite ends of the spectrum...mostly windows & samsung users because they wake up on the wrong side of technology.

Doesn't matter what you disagree with. It doesn't change facts out in public space. Yes, I joined today, just to reply to that extremely ignorant comment of yours. I'm not a fanboy of any company or corporation. Qualcomm are a horrible company themselves, for the record. Samsung aren't saints either. And no, I don't use a Samsung phone, haven't in over 4 years. But, the difference is, Qualcomm and Samsung actually are two very important innovators and inventors in tech. And their anti-competitive, anti-consumer policies and practices fade into the abyss compared to Apple's.

I've been a Windows and Mac user for over 2 decades, this topic and discussion has NOTHING to do with either.

Yes, I do own a Chromecast? What's your point? Is it too sensible of a product for you?
 
And you think Apple doesn’t know this? In Manufacturing, there are positions called “Supply chain risk management” where their sole function is to anticipate and avoid this very problem. Apple is a huge company that probably has a large team of people dedicated to this very role.

Keep in mind, Qualcomm is the owner of standards-essential patents and technology, hence the whole FTC antitrust lawsuit we are talking about here. They are not supposed to conduct business in this fashion as the owner of this standards-essential technology.

Also keep in mind that Apple has been developing their own in-house baseband modems for years now.


Sounds like a knee-jerk reaction that has led Apple to become more isolationist to maximize profits and keep investors happy. How is that sustainable long term when your research and development costs are ballooning, you have less and less partners, when potential partners are reluctant and your competitors are selling comparable offerings at half the cost?
 
And I would be happy if the iPhone was $500.


Does that mean Qualcomm are forced to sell their modems? They have invested in R & D over the years and should have the right to decide what to charge for their products. Apple have the right as well to choose a different provider.
No, they don't. If they don't want their tech to be included in the CDMA standard, they could have applied for a regular patent. Then other companies could build CDMA modems that do not include QCOM's tech.

But QCOM decided to apply for SEP patents for their tech, so that anyone wanting to use CDMA modems would need to include QCOM's tech, and therefore have to pay QCOM royalties based on FRAND rates.

Since QCOM was so huge, they were able to bully OEMs into paying higher rates under the threat of not getting modems at all. This is the heart of Apple's argument in the FTC vs QCOM case. They're trying to have their cake and eat it too.

IMO, QCOM is desperation mode since CDMA is becoming more and more irrelevant as LTE is coming forward. I don't think (someone check me on this) QCOM has as much influence or patents in the LTE spec. Their royalty fee train is drying up so they need to make as much $$$ as possible by squeezing every OEM as much as possible.
 
Anecdotally, it seems based on what I’ve read that Qualcomm’s modems perform better than Intel’s modems on Verizon’s network in the U.S. It wouldn’t surprise me if Apple’s engineers recognized this and they wanted to stick with the Qualcomm modem in the Verizon/SIM-free model for at least another year.
Sadly, this is the case. I switched from Verizon back to AT&T and now everything is fine.
 
And I would be happy if the iPhone was $500.


Does that mean Qualcomm are forced to sell their modems? They have invested in R & D over the years and should have the right to decide what to charge for their products. Apple have the right as well to choose a different provider.
There are the specifics of the standards and patents people mentioned. But I've heard it's also illegal in general to give different buyers different prices if it's only based on their identities, or similarly to exclude certain buyers. This I can't verify online cause it's impossible to search.
 
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