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Apple Wants Intel Chips Early?
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What?
The powermac won't be the first to switch.
And if it was, there are already dual-core 64bit chips available for them to use.
The boards will fit in a PM enclosure just fine.
If Apple is trying to rush the chips, it's probably because they want it for a smaller form factor machine, because an M based chip is the only one that will fit in the other macs.
Hector said:
The powermac won't be the first to switch.
And if it was, there are already dual-core 64bit chips available for them to use.
The boards will fit in a PM enclosure just fine.
If Apple is trying to rush the chips, it's probably because they want it for a smaller form factor machine, because an M based chip is the only one that will fit in the other macs.
alaskaunbound said:
At this time 64 bit MacIntels are nothing more then speculation (in the 2006 timeframe). So far Apple has only release 32 bit ABI information for Mac OS X on Intel with no 64 bit information yet in sight.
Review what they have up on the transition resource center currently.
I doubt Apple will be able to push Intel into producing the chips early. Maybe they are trying to get information on the chip design early so that they can have the machines built and ready to just drop in the chips when they are released.
But we could dream that Apple would release something earlier than they said they would. Isn't that what this place is for, talking about educated dreams (as opposed to educated guesses)?
But we could dream that Apple would release something earlier than they said they would. Isn't that what this place is for, talking about educated dreams (as opposed to educated guesses)?
i see this as good news , sooner is good as apple must feel the intel os x 86 will be ready for rollout.
i get the feeling Jedi Master Job's is felling guilty that he did not wow us at Paris here lol
o i just spent most of the night reading up on the osx86 thing over at osx86project.org THAT is scary but insightfull
i get the feeling Jedi Master Job's is felling guilty that he did not wow us at Paris here lol
o i just spent most of the night reading up on the osx86 thing over at osx86project.org THAT is scary but insightfull
there is no way intel is going to give apple special treatment. but if apple went for amd, i bet they would hook apple up nicely. personally i think intel was a bad choice and might be fatal for apple in the end. i just hope it turns out better than i expect.
Just another Slave to Intel
Apple has become yet just another "slave to Intel". Woz's words, as in the interview on Slashdot in which Steve Wozniak said Apple would NEVER become another slave to Intel. Once an x86 box always an x86 box. My new computer is an AMD 64 and I love it. So far BSD runs fantastic. Yeah, I've gone backward in technology, just like Apple, but it sure cost a lot less. No reason to buy an Apple any more. Why buy an x86 box when you can build one? OS X isn't the reason smart people buy Apples, it's for the superior architechture. Now that is gone.
Apple has become yet just another "slave to Intel". Woz's words, as in the interview on Slashdot in which Steve Wozniak said Apple would NEVER become another slave to Intel. Once an x86 box always an x86 box. My new computer is an AMD 64 and I love it. So far BSD runs fantastic. Yeah, I've gone backward in technology, just like Apple, but it sure cost a lot less. No reason to buy an Apple any more. Why buy an x86 box when you can build one? OS X isn't the reason smart people buy Apples, it's for the superior architechture. Now that is gone.
mynameisjesse said:
Ok, do some research. AMD only makes cpu's. They couldn't provide Apple with a new hardware platform (mobo, chipset, cpu) that's the ONLY reason they went with Intel.
Apple did this purely for profit. They are no longer the same company that cares about their product or their customers. They are just another Gateway or Dell. It's purely a business decision. Hell, I bought more Apple stock because of it but I won't buy another Apple.
MacsRgr8 said:
Sales are sales. Even Intel knows that the first dual core PowerBook is going to sell like mad. Esp when benchmarks start showing up. I really can't wait to see what PPC software runs like on a dual core x86 with one core dedicated to Rosetta.
mynameisjesse said:
Actually I have no clue as to why Steve Jobs even chose Intel over AMD. Why did he not just state in his keynote @ WWDC that Mac OS X is moving to the x86 architecture. Why does Steve have to partner up with a company, by not stating any company would give Apple a chance to pick and choose from various x86 chip developers. This way Apple has cornered itself to one supplier, which is even worse than the AIM partnership.
I feel this is a bad move by Steve, since he could have just said nothing about which company they would be buying chips from. I personally like AMD better.
topgunn said:
I'm sorry to say whatever, it's all about sales, for Intel at least. Just because this relationship is nice for marketing doesn't mean squat. If a public rift arose becuase Intel wasn't giving Apple chips fast enough for them, you better believe that Intel wouldn't see their brand tarnished, and the relationship would deteriorate quickly.
Sure, the relationship is important, as much as selling more chips to any new client is important but that doesn't mean that Apple can dictate terms and it certainly doesn't mean that Intel would tolerate any negative press over it. If Apple hopes to maintain any sort of positive relationship with Intel, this story will be nothing more than rumor, as internal discussions/rifts will remain internal.
zigziggityzoo said:
AMD already "outsources" its fab to other companies and i am sure there is enough capacity for IBM, Tiwan SemiCoductor etc ... and will be happy to mass produce its chips!
liketom said:
It took you most of the night to read that? Oh ok.
That article is a bunch of crap. People that actually USE their Apples buy them BECAUSE of the cpu and NOT because of OS X. What a bunch of $&IT! OS X hasn't been around that long. Pro Tools still runs better on OS 9! If people didn't buy Apples because of the CPU then why the many years of relentless x86 bashing? You'd simply have to be a complete moron not to read about x86 and RISC and think that x86 is a better cpu. Apple just pisses me off again. I know they won't switch back to RISC becuase Apple has now become ApDell.
fordlemon said:
Last I checked Apple designed the Mac exterior case as well as the logic board. All they do is put the PPC supplied to them by either FreeScale or IBM (G4/G5).
Even the wireless card is either designed/engineered by Apple and manufactured by a company in Asia.
maya said:Actually I have no clue as to why Steve Jobs even chose Intel over AMD. Why did he not just state in his keynote @ WWDC that Mac OS X is moving to the x86 architecture. Why does Steve have to partner up with a company, by not stating any company would give Apple a chance to pick and choose from various x86 chip developers. This way Apple has cornered itself to one supplier, which is even worse than the AIM partnership.
I feel this is a bad move by Steve, since he could have just said nothing about which company they would be buying chips from. I personally like AMD better.
I already told you why!
Must be a Canadian thing.
fordlemon said:
???
Apple's hardware is nice but it really isn't nor has it been superior to stuff from the Intel camp. At times it jumps a little ahead in some areas but in general lags the state of the art for relatively long periods of time. This lagging simply is a result of Apple not have the hardware unit volumes to warrant rolling chip sets, etc. that often (not like Dell, HP and other can).
In other words I believe your statement above to be in conflict reality.
Of course form factor, styling and features sets (e.g. lighted keyboards) are a big draw for Apple hardware but none of that depends on the maker of the CPU.
I believe Mac OS X is a MAJOR factor in the geek crowd, followed by hardware integration, styling and features. None of those will be prevented by Apple using Intel.
maya said:Last I checked Apple designed the Mac exterior case as well as the logic board. All they do is put the PPC supplied to them by either FreeScale or IBM (G4/G5).
Even the wireless card is either designed/engineered by Apple and manufactured by a company in Asia.
Wow, are you thick! Here's a news flash. Apple is switching to x86.
Jeeeezzzz, if Intel won't satisfy Apples demands then there is no other processor manufacturer left in this world that could do that (AMD doesn't have the Intel capacity)...
Now we will read how Intel screwed Apple and all we gonna hear is delays and delays, and I get a feelign that what IBM was saying was right that Apple is a small market share computer maker that is acting like a primma donna...
I think Apple should have bought off Motorolas processor division when they had a chance in 2002 (they could've produced PC processors as well as processors for small non-Apple related devices to offset the potential R&D costs in the beginning) and just produce its own processors on own designs at own pace, now Apple will probably have as many complains with Intel (AMD) as it had with IBM, never satisfied enough and its never Apples fault... I am more than sure IBM would have designed an Intel Pentium M killer mobile chip if Apple actually shelled out some money for R&D...
Now we will read how Intel screwed Apple and all we gonna hear is delays and delays, and I get a feelign that what IBM was saying was right that Apple is a small market share computer maker that is acting like a primma donna...
I think Apple should have bought off Motorolas processor division when they had a chance in 2002 (they could've produced PC processors as well as processors for small non-Apple related devices to offset the potential R&D costs in the beginning) and just produce its own processors on own designs at own pace, now Apple will probably have as many complains with Intel (AMD) as it had with IBM, never satisfied enough and its never Apples fault... I am more than sure IBM would have designed an Intel Pentium M killer mobile chip if Apple actually shelled out some money for R&D...
maya said:Last I checked Apple designed the Mac exterior case as well as the logic board. All they do is put the PPC supplied to them by either FreeScale or IBM (G4/G5).
Even the wireless card is either designed/engineered by Apple and manufactured by a company in Asia.
that is the point! They can cut all those costs by taking intel and get the world domination and 150% profit margins !!