Yes, I notice the difference between all versions of Android and iPhone. I don't see as many similarities as you do, possibly because I don't care to be a fanboy of one or the other and let that affect my judgement.
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Yes, I notice the difference between all versions of Android and iPhone. I don't see as many similarities as you do, possibly because I don't care to be a fanboy of one or the other and let that affect my judgement.
Android was different, in 2007:
http://blog.steventroughtonsmith.com/2012/05/2007s-pre-m3-version-of-android-google.html
Looks and not being there are 2 different things. But it does prove that the blackberry device was not the only one out there.
I'm just glad that there are competitors out there that force Apple to keep blasting them out of the water with innovation.
Good for us!
Good for us!
Both sides of this dumb android vs iOS or android phones vs iPhones thing is childish.
The fact is that innovation is innovation and the consumer decides what they like and don't like.
The truth and this isn't knocking on android at all is google saw the future in mobile phones after apple stepped up and delivered a market changing device. Before android had been working on a RIM competitor and when they saw the iPhone they quickly pushed out a touch screen android variant that is well known today. The development of this software would not have been more than a year maybe a year and a half until it got pushed into hardware. Apple on the other hand spent well over 5 or 6 years working on the iPhone and infact the iPad was actually the project apple worked on first after Steve saw inertia scrolling he new the phone had to come first. This isn't made up Steve jobs himself said this. So yes the iPhone is the reason android is the way it is now. No denying credit where credit is due. Now the consumer can choose based on price carrier and user experience what phone is right for them. Sometimes it's iPhone other times it's android phones like Samsung, Motorola or htc.
The fact is that innovation is innovation and the consumer decides what they like and don't like.
The truth and this isn't knocking on android at all is google saw the future in mobile phones after apple stepped up and delivered a market changing device. Before android had been working on a RIM competitor and when they saw the iPhone they quickly pushed out a touch screen android variant that is well known today. The development of this software would not have been more than a year maybe a year and a half until it got pushed into hardware. Apple on the other hand spent well over 5 or 6 years working on the iPhone and infact the iPad was actually the project apple worked on first after Steve saw inertia scrolling he new the phone had to come first. This isn't made up Steve jobs himself said this. So yes the iPhone is the reason android is the way it is now. No denying credit where credit is due. Now the consumer can choose based on price carrier and user experience what phone is right for them. Sometimes it's iPhone other times it's android phones like Samsung, Motorola or htc.
good point, but to be honest, we had just walked past the display with all the tablets on it - acer etc..
He no doubt that it was an iPad b/c of how similar they are.
To Apple and Samsung,
Your both adult companies, both competing at the high end of the market and admit that there is a limited number of form factors. physical gestures, and font's that can work, your both bound to have some cross over move on.
To both fan communities, PUT DOWN THE FANBOY AND STEP AWAY FROM THE ISSUE, your not helping matters in the slightest or in many cases have a valid or cogent argument just walk away sit in your happy little world of chosen device zen.
/Rant.
PLEASE STOP THE DICK SWINGING!
Your both adult companies, both competing at the high end of the market and admit that there is a limited number of form factors. physical gestures, and font's that can work, your both bound to have some cross over move on.
To both fan communities, PUT DOWN THE FANBOY AND STEP AWAY FROM THE ISSUE, your not helping matters in the slightest or in many cases have a valid or cogent argument just walk away sit in your happy little world of chosen device zen.
/Rant.
You are an awfully presumptuous person. I don't recall saying that. I think the root of the discussion was ANDROID being different before the iPhone launched. And the picture you posted proved it, with you even emphasizing the fact that it launched a year AFTER the iPhone. Android in 2006 was all controlled with buttons, multitouch wasn't even an option.
Your signature and posts reek of self-righteousness. You're the type of person who thinks they are "above" the mere fanboys by being overly negative of the Apple community. Instead, you're just on the opposite end of the spectrum, being overly critical and discrediting for the sake of LOOKING like you're unbiased and rational. That's not rational at all, in fact it's more irrational. People on here like Apple for their products. You on the other hand, don't like Apple because of how much other people do like them and praise them, and come on a message board to let the whole community know.
That's irrational behavior at its finest.
Just wanted to point out that the only touchscreen prototypes that I personally know of is the one in that demo video that was released in November 2007. The iPhone was unveiled in January of 2007.
The only question is: When will Apple actually release another innovative product that blasts anything out of the water? Lately, only their exceptional marketing machinery is driving product sales, not innovation.
Then it's up to Rodimus Prime to provide us with a link to an Android prototype with a full touch screen prior to January of 2007.
So no rational person would agree that Apple copied the notification centre eh? And Android copied the whole language of iOS? Really? Tapping? Apple invented Tapping? It's been proven that Apple weren't the first with an App Store. And then you say about Apple not inventing them first because you know they didn't invent half of them, they took existing ideas and products and improved on them. As for the Notification Centre, its not just "swipe-down gesture", its the design concept of the notifications. I'm not saying that Android is totally innocent, just that half of your features you pointed out existed prior, and as for getting defensive? iOS copies from other OS's too, so why get all annoyed when others take ideas from iOS? WP7 had Twitter integration and accessing the camera from the lockscreen before iOS, iOS even added the little "bounce" when you don't drag the lockscreen up far enough from WP7.
Your analogy fails on so many levels. The Sandwich was a totally new food, it didnt exist before he made it, all of the things Apple did already existed, if I take the Ham Sandwich that he invented, and add Cheese to it, can I infact claim that I was the inventor of the sandwich? Because metaphorically that's all that Apple did to half those ideas.
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Watch Apple make something that is already there and call it "innovation" or even make it their invention.
Can you imagine? They patented the slide to unlock feature, that's jist TERRIFYING, Android had it wayyyy back
Can you imagine? They patented the slide to unlock feature, that's jist TERRIFYING, Android had it wayyyy back
Both prototypes came out at the same time. The SDK shipped with a full-touch screen emulator at the same time those prototypes showed up.
And Android did not "change". It still runs on the same phones that keyboard prototype was :
I don't know why this keeps coming up, maybe you folks are just not technically minded, but it seems there's a real distortion of what Android is (an operating system, software basically) and what the iPhone and the prototype are (hardware. Actual material).
Android is a copy of iOS, want to prove it ? Good, start by not discussing hardware. No iPhone, no Android Prototype, no Galaxy Pro or HTC ChaCha or Motorola Charm or anything. Let's talk Android vs iOS.
What exactly did Android change in 2007 following the iOS introduction ? What part of the software was modified to reflect more what iOS was ?
What is copied ?
iOS and Android, in reality are very different beasts. They use different cores, have different architectures, different assumptions about how userspace should be managed, different APIs, different toolsets. They share a few industry standard or open source APIs (OpenAL, OpenGL ES, SQLite), but then, so does about every other mobile device out there, since they are industry standards after all.
So really, if you're going to sit there and claim iOS was copied by Android, at least have the decency of then not coming into the conversation with hardware form factors. Android is not hardware.
Samsung was really nothing more than a high end times square DVD pirate.
Asking for forgiveness is better than asking for permission. Although you see with the latest galaxy that when required to create their own designs they fail hard.
Maybe apple could broker a deal to let Samsung continue to copy them in exchange for super low component prices. That way apple could continue to make money selling to normal people and Samsung can make money off people who irrationally hate apple, won't buy their products but will buy products that look exactly the same.
They should make me a Sarah shahi like mediator on this case, I would wrap it up in 36 hours.
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Mostly because google is not selling an actual product that could be directly banned while netting a per unit fine. Just much easier and punishing to go after the oems who ate selling infringing products. Also I don't think all of apple's Samsung issues are software based.
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Probably because he knows more about software than you and the development of ios and android. The things you mention are irrelevant.
Asking for forgiveness is better than asking for permission. Although you see with the latest galaxy that when required to create their own designs they fail hard.
Maybe apple could broker a deal to let Samsung continue to copy them in exchange for super low component prices. That way apple could continue to make money selling to normal people and Samsung can make money off people who irrationally hate apple, won't buy their products but will buy products that look exactly the same.
They should make me a Sarah shahi like mediator on this case, I would wrap it up in 36 hours.
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Mostly because google is not selling an actual product that could be directly banned while netting a per unit fine. Just much easier and punishing to go after the oems who ate selling infringing products. Also I don't think all of apple's Samsung issues are software based.
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Probably because he knows more about software than you and the development of ios and android. The things you mention are irrelevant.
Non sequitir.
The hardware is an extension of the software in iOS; you can't separate the two, even hypothetically -- just try discussing iOS (or Android as it exists now, for that matter) without referencing the touchscreen. This is even more true post-iPhone, as the touchscreen became the central feature of Android instead of the half-hearted secondary input method it was before. This was Steve Jobs' great insight, and it changed the entire world of mobile phones. So unless you can show me a pre-iPhone Android touchscreen-only device that was designed to integrate the touchscreen into all features of the OS (which is the Android we have today), there is no doubt that this change is directly attributable to the existence of the iPhone.
I don't know why this is so difficult for you to understand.
Yeah people don't understand that if apple never entered the smartphone market Rim would likely be the most successful smartphone maker in the world and smartphones would have continued to suck.
People who think this path was predestined to happen regardless five years later simply do not grasp the significant issues involved.
People who think this path was predestined to happen regardless five years later simply do not grasp the significant issues involved.
Nope, it is relevant. Android was designed from the get go for hardware abstraction. It can be installed on many hardware platforms, of which some can be hardware keyboard equipped phones with smaller screens or just touch screen phones, or even flip phones. Tablets, set-top boxes, full-on laptops are other hardware Android can be installed on.
It's not in Android. Hence, they are not copies since they don't share design philosophies. My whole point. Glad we agree. I'll just snip the rest of your post since you attach Android to touch screens, while not all Android devices have touch screens (it's just another input mecanism to Android, a driver if you will).
You obviously do not understand Android, thus can't really discuss it or make fair comparisons to iOS. You do not know what Android copied from iOS, you're just repeating "what you've heard". It's obvious to me now. But realise this : This is precisely the reason Apple has not gone against Google directly. There is no "blatant copying".
Then it should be easy to produce a pre-iPhone tablet for us to check your assertions. The only concrete thing you've given so far is a couple of prototypes released 11 months AFTER the introduction of the iPhone.
"Since you can install a version of Windows on a PDA, Microsoft obviously didn't copy from Apple."
Non sequitir. Google it if you're having trouble understanding. You're also now begging the question, and making a naked assertion besides. You are terrible at this.
Poisoning the well.
Ad hominem.
Are you on Apple's board? Are you part of Apple's legal department? Do you read their minds? You have no idea what you are talking about.
Android wasn't even near production ready nor introduced pre-iPhone. It was in the design and development phase. Heck, they were still thinking about which Java to use or if to even use Java and a JVM model for it.
Why should I have to come up with a tablet of all things running code that probably wasn't even running outside of Google labs to prove to you that Android is not a piece of hardware ? It should be fairly obvious from the source code and lack of hardware called Android.
Says the guy who hasn't even addressed a single argument I've made.
There was no personal attack there, I'm just stating what I'm seeing.
Link to the suit Apple has filed against Google please.
Here, more reading for you :
http://www.osnews.com/story/25264/Did_Android_Really_Look_Like_BlackBerry_Before_the_iPhone_
You still have to even bring forth 1 characteristic of Android that is found in iOS that was directly ripped off from Apple, not just some common smartphone/cellphone feature. When you do, we'll discuss this more. Obviously, I'm not discussing this with a technical person, yet you're making technical arguments.
Then clearly, it's impossible to demonstrate your argument that Android did not copy from iOS.
As this is the third time I've dealt with this, I'll just conclude you're as simple as you appear to be.
Even you should be able to tell the difference between a non-existent lawsuit and the decision-making process behind not bringing a lawsuit. Unless you are on Apple's board or deep inside their legal department, you don't know their reasons, so stop claiming you do.
Good lord, even the extremely pro-Android article you linked to admitted that Google was "influenced" by Apple:
And I'd go on to add (PalmOS to Newton: hi daddy!)
Here's some reading for you, since you don't seem to be capable of arguing this yourself: http://daringfireball.net/linked/2011/11/08/built-to-be-flexible
The salient portion:
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Sure it is, lack of any iOS like functionality. Android is a different beast with a different design. Hence, how could it be a copy ?
iOS is a darwin kernel based operating system, its UI is based around a home screen built from a strict icon grid. It provides tools to compile code directly into ARM machine code to be run on the processor.
Android is a linux kernel based operating system, its UI is based around a home screen built from widgets that are user selectable and positionable. It provides tools to compile code to an intermediate bytecode which is then run on a VM called Davlik using JIT compilation to ARM/x86 machine code (yes, Android runs on multiple CPU architectures).
Care to point out what Android copied from iOS ? If you can, we can discuss it, which would make this actually constructive. As it stands, all you can do is claim copying without ever actually providing what you think is copied. Worthless discussion if you ask me.
Sorry, I don't read biased blogs by people with an obvious pro-Apple agenda.
It doesn't, because Gruber just states whatever advantages Apple and slams anything else. I did not expect him to post differently then, nor now on any topic. He has basically no credibility. Same for Florian Mueller on FOSS patents, if you are thinking of linking to him.
You have yet to offer any insight into what the Android people took from iOS anyhow. I'm still waiting. Until you do, good day.