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I think if you are here we should assume you've got to have OS X. I know I do. I would gladly pay the difference for a mini over the Dell just to get OS X.
I'm looking at the hardware of which Apple's notebooks are the only thing worth mentioning.

Apple's desktops are very lacking and their notebooks will be irrelevant soon without the new mobile processors from Intel.
 
I'm looking at the hardware of which Apple's notebooks are the only thing worth mentioning.

Apple's desktops are very lacking and their notebooks will be irrelevant soon without the new mobile processors from Intel.

That's great. Maybe you can explain why you are in an iMac/Mini thread crapping on them then?

The Mini is a great machine of which Apple has sold a million of. Obviously not everyone has the same priorities that you do for getting the flashiest processor on the planet with every computer purchase.
 
I'm looking at the hardware of which Apple's notebooks are the only thing worth mentioning.

Apple's desktops are very lacking and their notebooks will be irrelevant soon without the new mobile processors from Intel.
Ha, Ha Apple's notebooks irrelevant that is a laugh. Apple is in the exact same position as every other manufacturer with regard to their notebooks. No real manufacturer is shipping mobile i7s in a laptop. The MBP design is superior to any other manufacturers laptop.

Yes Apple is irrelevant in the desktop market ... they aren't in the desktop market at all. They are in the Workstation market (Mac Pro), All-in-one market (iMac), and Very Small Form Factor market (mini). Each of those markets Apple has superior products to any competitor.
 


AppleInsider reports that Apple issued a note to its retail stores yesterday stating that no further orders for a number of the company's desktop computers would be accepted, suggesting that supplies of the machines are running dry ahead of product updates. The note refers to all iMac configurations and the low-end Mac mini as being affected.The report also notes that Amazon has recently run out of all configurations of both the iMac and Mac mini for direct shipment and is now only offering the machines for sale through its third-party affiliate sellers.

Recent reports have suggested that iMac and MacBook updates are due in the near future, although little information about upgrades to the Mac mini, which is approaching the end of its typical lifecycle, has surfaced in recent months.

Article Link: Apple Warning Retail Stores of iMac and Mac Mini Supply Constraints?

Seems convincing, but not at the same time. At first I was thinking "ohhhh **** this is it, they're getting updated", but now I'm thinking it could be just production problems. It says that only the low end Mac Mini (and all the iMacs) are not available to order. If the Mac Mini were to go through some radical change to which apple tells it's stores they can't order anymore, why would it only be the low end model?
 
Ha, Ha Apple's notebooks irrelevant that is a laugh. Apple is in the exact same position as every other manufacturer with regard to their notebooks. No real manufacturer is shipping mobile i7s in a laptop. The MBP design is superior to any other manufacturers laptop. .
Take a look at the $999 Core i7 720 QM Studio 15 from Dell and the HP Envy 15/17" are coming in at the higher end.

If we're stuck with only Arrandale on the iMac and notebooks there are going to be problems.
 
Seems convincing, but not at the same time. At first I was thinking "ohhhh **** this is it, they're getting updated", but now I'm thinking it could be just production problems. It says that only the low end Mac Mini (and all the iMacs) are not available to order. If the Mac Mini were to go through some radical change to which apple tells it's stores they can't order anymore, why would it only be the low end model?

Keep in mind this pretty much happens before every single refresh... coincidentally the iMac and Mac Mini are both due for updates.
 
UK store back up and yeah you guessed it nothing new, I think maybe even some price increases.

Will check HE store tomorrow to see if 24" iMac 3.06 has increased price. :):)
 
I don't think we'll see any changes on the online Apple store until around the 10 of October. If Apple have just told retailers of shortages, this gives them a rough 10 days to clear out current inventory... however that may be i.e. discounts etc.
 
10 days?!? Might not be enough time. There's at least one major resller here in New Zealand still has some old 13" MacBook Aluminum models on display alongside the 13" MacBook Pro Aluminum, as well as an older white MacBook alongside the latest model. :rolleyes:

Unusually many of NZ's big resellers have been having weekend sales / finance deals / free iPod deals on Apple computers over about the last month, but it has mostly been for ALL Apple computers, including the laptops and Mac Pros.
 
These are past performances, and they did that with an iMac, MacBook Pro, and Mac Pro that were very competitive performance wise compared to the rest of the industry.

Apple will not maintain its performance with the iMac using Core 2 Duo processors unless it drops the price substantially across the board. I can see the desire to hit a lower price point, but they can't just ignore performance and expect to maintain their sales figures.

I could see them doing something like this: (essentially drop the price across the board, and introduce a new high end model)

$999 20" iMac 2.66 Ghz Core 2 Duo, 2GB Ram, 9400M
$1299 24" iMac 2.66 Ghz Core 2 Duo, 4GB Ram, 9400M
$1599 24" iMac 2.93 Ghz Core 2 Duo, 4GB Ram, new video card
$1999 24" iMac Xeon L3426 1.83 Ghz, 8GB Ram, better new video card

It should be noted that the Xeon processor is 1/2 the price of the current 3.06 GHz processor.

I think the only reason Apple stayed core2 duo last update mean other than not having low power i7's which seem to be really impressive. "Turbo Boost" makes them the best for all jobs.

Grand Central even if programs aren't revised for it, it is still a system wide processor demand manager. It can work hand in hand with "Turbo Boost" in the i7 mobiles to ensure best performance at any one time.

The Pieces are in place for i7 mobile quads if they wait then it's a real shame.

Plus what is coming in 8 months that is going to change the situation they have now. As no doubt Apple like all the other OEMs will have spec's and samples on these chips for months now to design and test.

Oh meant to say as well, can't see Xeon. From what I understand the Xeons are sampled against a server workload which has much lower Floating point demand which means less heat at the same speed. Put a 45W Xeon in a tight case and run desktop load with lots of floating point and it's not going to be able to run at full speed. The i7 mobiles are sampled to a Desktop load profile.
 
Return newly purchased mac mini?

I just bought a base version of '09 mac mini 7 days ago and heard about the mini update rumor today. I was wondering if I should return the mini(and pay restocking fee) and get the updated mini when it comes out. Any advice/suggestions greatly appreciated.
 
A little birdie told me to wait

I went to a Apple retail store today to purchase a Mini MB464. After gathering all of my accessories and extras, I was told that the Mini is not in stock. My beautiful sales person whispered that I should wait until next week. He couldn't tell me why but told me my ram upgrade might be unnecessary. :D
 
Am I the only one who doesn't care about Blu-ray?

I would like a spec bump on the mini, to a quad core processor, and maybe a little better GPU.

I don't care about BR in the least for a computer! Sheeez...let BR get 50% of the movie entertainment marketshare to prove it's not going to end up like the Sony Minidisc...then put the BR devices in computers when it's a bit cheaper and people actually WANT the darn thing.

I agree...just give more cpu power, more ram, and a cheaper pricetag.

-Eric
 
Updated Mac mini? As in, more base RAM, a slightly faster CPU and a hard drive with more storage space? Sure.

Blu-Ray? Buy an external drive and don't make the Mac mini more expensive than it already is.
 
$800 sony Vaios have BD. :rolleyes:
Blu-ray is nearly a non-issue on a Sony notebook. You can either pick up a more well rounded system or a Blu-ray drive and a GMA 4500M HD for decoding.

Intel didn't really hit the mark until Arrandale/Clarkdale for their IGP. It's packing 785G performance and a great HD decoder compared to the 4500M HD.
 
Yes Apple is irrelevant in the desktop market ... they aren't in the desktop market at all...

You're joking right? How many Mac Pros does Apple sell a year?...8000? And how many are sold to the poor Apple souls who long for a true desktop but find the Mini far underpowered, and the iMac unupgradeable? A lot I would bet. And how many Mac Pro owners are companies/people truly need "workstation" class equipment (operating system aside)? I've been dying for an Apple desktop since Apple killed them in the late 90's but I'm not shelling out $2600 (minimum Mac Pro price for years now) for a workstation class Mac Pro (when I don't need workstation class) when I can get a desktop/non-workstation box in PC land for $1000 or less with similar guts and/or expandability options...or even a true "workstation" class PC for $1500 that will match a $2600 Mac Pro any day. How many "workstations" are sold by PC vendors every year?...a few dozen million?

Workstations are just decked-out desktops (or you can say some high end desktops are bottom-of-the-barrel workstations)...typically charged with a certain single task just as graphics/CAD/video rendering or something else that is math and graphics intensive as well as architected for maximum performance and maximum upgradeability. Desktops on the other hand are not designed for a single task yet are created to be upgradeable in many ways.

Apple's 2nd Desktop is the iMac...and this is what most consumers (not diehard workstation users) are going to buy for a box that is going to sit on a desk or the floor. I like the iMacs quite a bit...just overpriced a bit and too much all-in-1 status and inability to upgrade. I already have a sweet 24" monitor...that's the #1 reason why I haven't bought an iMac...because I already have a great monitor.

Apple's 3rd Desktop is the Mini...which I have owned since Sep 2007...I use it rarely and it's great for infrequent video editing.

If only Apple would sell me a "desktop" that doesn't come with a built in monitor (see ya later iMac)...and costs less than $1000 (see ya later iMac and Pro)...and is upgradeable without a putty knife (see ya later iMac and Mini)...and comes with a decent set of tech specs to begin with (Mini is still overpriced, especially since I have to plunk $100 for a keyboard/mouse combo)...I'd buy a few of these "desktops".


They are in the Workstation market (Mac Pro), All-in-one market (iMac), and Very Small Form Factor market (mini).

Apple lumps the Mac Pro and iMacs into the same category: Desktop sales. The iMac is CLEARLY in desktop sales...ditto for the Mini.


Each of those markets Apple has superior products to any competitor.
Obviously you are one of the biggest Apple Fanboys on this forum. Nice that you create all the Apple "markets" to fit your view of the world.


-Eric
 
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