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If it has a rechargeable battery, it should have it. Otherwise, it's not covered by the law at all. The mandate is about charging standards, not about how devices are powered from mains power.

I am personally hoping for my living room tv to have a usb c port so I can directly connect my usb c peripherals to it. Like my switch console, a Samsung T7 drive, my MBA, even my iPad. I am perplexed as to why tv makes seem to be way behind monitor manufacturers in this regard.

Or while we are at it, why not scrap every other port and mandate that everybody has to go all in on usb c? Just feels like a waste opportunity to me. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
I am personally hoping for my living room tv to have a usb c port so I can directly connect my usb c peripherals to it. Like my switch console, a Samsung T7 drive, my MBA, even my iPad. I am perplexed as to why tv makes seem to be way behind monitor manufacturers in this regard.
I'm not in the market for a new TV right now. A USB-C hub + power supply would definitely be a welcome feature though.
 
I am perplexed as to why tv makes seem to be way behind monitor manufacturers in this regard.
I suspect its a HDMI vs. DisplayPort thing since USB-C exclusively uses the DisplayPort protocol for video (HDMI alt mode for USB-C having died a death).

HDMI is the clearly established "standard" for TV video connections and DisplayPort on TVs is rare, but in computing it's more of a two horse race, with DisplayPort tending to be the "higher end" option supporting higher resolutions etc. (which would be irrelevant on a UHD TV). Obviously, DP and HDMI play leapfrog with the latest standards, but HDMI does tend to be TV-oriented.

So I guess it's easier (and cheaper) to implement USB-C video on a device that is going to need DisplayPort anyway.

As for non-video USB ports... well that's back to the old problem of the huge inertia of USB-A for applications where USB-C doesn't offer any real advantage. I'd bet that the vast majority of TV USB-A ports are used to supply 5v to FireTV sticks or similar. Or to plug in cheap USB2/3 flash drives (for which USB-A is actually neater because the whole drive fits in the shaft of the plug).

Even computer moinitors with USB-C inputs and USB hubs often have USB-A downstream ports... Go figure.
 
There is no EU law prohibiting other charging standards for electric cars. The car industry locked one standard in because they deemed it to be technically a good and future-proof solution. When Tesla introduced the Model 3 on the market, it came with CCS2 from the beginning. They had a chance to stick to their proprietary plug, but decided against it.
It’s not quite right to say Tesla “decided against” its own plug. The EU’s 2014 Alternative Fuels Infrastructure Directive locked CCS2 in as the mandatory standard for public charging.

Sure, other plugs weren’t banned, but if you wanted your cars to work with Europe’s charging network, you had no real choice but to adopt CCS2. Tesla lobbied for its connector, but regulators said “no, a standard is already chosen.”

By mandating CCS2 early, the EU locked into an inferior connector and left no room for the better solution to win on its merits.

That’s why the U.S. wound up in a better place: by letting the market play out, NACS rose to the top naturally, and now it’s becoming the new standard. Just like what the EU is doing with phone charging cables: in the short term you get uniformity, but you slow down adoption of the thing that was actually better

So much hyperbole 🙄. First, it did not happen, for good reasons. I would also not be happy with Micro-USB as a universal charging standard, to be clear. If you look at EU legislation from a high level, they try to avoid baking technical standards into law whenever possible. This kind of details work is usually delegated to standard bodies that are organised and paid for by the industry. The USB-C mandate is the exception, not the rule.
It didn’t happen, but not because the EU didn’t try. They pushed Micro-USB hard as the “common charger” solution, even after Lightning was already on the market. That’s exactly my point. By the time the EU process finished, the tech was already behind.

And they may delegate to industry bodies, but the outcome is still the same. Once Brussels blesses a “standard,” it’s effectively frozen for years. USB-C only won out because the market ignored the EU’s Micro-USB push and moved ahead anyway. But that option has been taken away when it comes to USB-C.

I’ll repeat what I said a few posts upthread.

Hard-coding USB-C into law creates a chilling effect on innovation; the EU’s own data shows how their micro-USB push slowed USB-C adoption; Oppo’s already hit the physical limit of USB-C; and even if a better port came along tomorrow, the EU’s process would delay it 5–8 years. You see those as acceptable trade-offs to mandate something that was already happening without regulation. I don’t.
 
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Yes we would have. The Lightning standard was designed using lessons from the 30-pin connector, to have about a ten year lifespan. It got about that. They would have switched to USB-C anyway (it wasn't available back when they designed Lightning, and was heavily influenced by Lightning), the most the EU did was maybe push up deployment by a year or so. Stop patting yourself on the back.

Facts are though Apple did NOT adopt USB C on it’s IPhone until it was forced to by the EU, so your argument is based on ‘what if’s’ and not factual history.
 
Hard-coding USB-C into law creates a chilling effect on innovation; the EU’s own data shows how their micro-USB push slowed USB-C adoption; Oppo’s already hit the physical limit of USB-C; and even if a better port came along tomorrow, the EU’s process would delay it 5–8 years. You see those as acceptable trade-offs to mandate something that was already happening without regulation. I don’t.
If you think it's a good idea to deal with a zoo of different dongles for your charging needs because of a mythical better connector that might appear in the future, fine. Considering how hard it is to introduce global standards I would bet that we won't see something better than USB-C at least in the next 15 to 20 years.

I can also comfortably live with a somewhat clunky CCS2 Combo plug in exchange for the certainty that my car will be able to connect to every single public charger from Lappland to Portugal.
 
If you think it's a good idea to deal with a zoo of different dongles for your charging needs because of a mythical better connector that might appear in the future, fine. Considering how hard it is to introduce global standards I would bet that we won't see something better than USB-C at least in the next 15 to 20 years.
I agree we won’t, and I blame the EU for that. Again, the free market was already doing the what the EU wanted without the regulation. It was already happening. All the EU did was make it virtually impossible for something better to come along.

I can also comfortably live with a somewhat clunky CCS2 Combo plug in exchange for the certainty that my car will be able to connect to every single public charger from Lappland to Portugal.

And in the US, every car is going to have the better port because we let the free market work. Sure you can argue the period the market was working was awkward, but now we’ll get a far better experience for decades, and the same certainty that we can charge anywhere.
 
Is it bad that I am completely unfazed by the suggestion Apple Intelligence might be delayed in the UK? You know, that feature we were promised would be coming in December 2024 and where its currently released features are pretty mediocre? :p
 
And in the US, every car is going to have the better port because we let the free market work. Sure you can argue the period the market was working was awkward, but now we’ll get a far better experience for decades, and the same certainty that we can charge anywhere.
NACS was never an option for Europe, because it lacks AC pins for real three-phase charging.
 
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