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My house was built in 1960, and I inherited it. "Foot traffic" is me and my wife. It's a full acre lot so if you're on my porch, you were an invited guest and if we have guests over, the bike gets parked in the driveway.

You mean the mentality of posting twice about the same thing? Dude, stop gnawing on THAT bone or it's gonna make your teeth hurt. Hope I made your weekend.
Look, man. Don't be rude. Just be considerate.
Mines in the shed currently. Do you think I should check with him if it’s parked appropriately?

it is directly behind the roller door so you can’t get a car in. Hope that’s ok.
As long as you never take it out I think it's fine. 👍
 
Drat... well at least I know now before using it.

I think what I might just do then is keep using my de-camerafied iPhone 11 on the handlebars (I use it for maps... Gaia, Waze, etc) and keep my other phone in my pocket. Will be easier from a camera standpoint anyway, not having to unplug it, remove it from the mount, etc.

I actually have started keeping phone plans from all three major carriers, as I need a lot of data (hotspot) to work remotely while I travel, so that'll work out fine.
 
Just know that if you attached your phone to a jackhammer or a Harley, you may have some problems. If you have ridden long distance on a motorcycle, without proper padding, your hands will be tired out from the vibrations of the handlebars. Same thing with the iPhone camera.
Never had any problems with any phone from my 3G to 11 Pro on my Harleys over the years...many 12-15 hour long rides with zero issues with phones or Harleys. I do use a battery case for longer rides.
 
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I'm on the fence on this one.

One the one hand, I think Apple shouldn't be forced to let developers include links to outside payment/account setup options. Seems like Netflix has been just fine bypassing the App Store entirely. Developers have options, even if they might require customers to go through some hoops to use them.

On the other hand, I think it's probably a good/smart business decision for Apple to allow linking. If Apps/developers are already able to offer Apps for free (again, like Netflix) where users can sign up and pay completely outside the Apple ecosystem, I don't think a link built into the app changes a whole lot.

IMO.

Plus I was afraid that the iPhone 10s Max could provide enough uplift to make me airborne.
HAHA!
No pickup picture handy, but I assure you it's an excessively large, overpowered, large grilled, gas guzzling beast.
Please, humor us, let us see some pics!:p
 
A one minute search of Google quickly shows that cell phone cameras be damaged by motorcycle vibrations. For example, quoting MotoGPS, "Part of the enjoyment of riding a motorcycle is the feeling of the engine vibrating through the handlebars and the whole chassis. However, between a certain frequency band, these vibrations may damage the sensitive optical image stabilisation components of your smartphone rendering the camera inoperative." So Apple publishes an advisory of an already known fact and people get salty.
You've been a member long enough to know that such a response is a given here. :rolleyes:😂
 
My brother had three Harley's. When he finally grew up, he bought a BMW (motorcycle).
I've owned BMW's (R's and K's), Triumph's (FI triples) and a Ducati. Gave them up once the kids started coming. Next bike is either a KTM Adventurer or a Triumph Scrambler. Two unique bikes but similar riding posture.

My Ducati Streetfighter V4 destroyed my camera within 50 miles.

I now have a quad lock with vibration dampener with no issues.

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Now that's what I'm talking about. I owned a Multistrada but spent a lot of time riding Monsters back in the early 00's.
 
Q: "How much gas does it use?"

A: "EVERY DROP I PUT IN IT!"

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In high school (not long ago) I had a Suzuki that I turned into a dirt bike. I was out riding one afternoon, and 'ran out of gas', many miles from home. I was apparently stuck. Until I realized, after pushing it for nearly an hour, that I had a transparent fuel tube and could see that gas was getting into the carb. So I started riding it as hard and fast as I could until it ran out of gas again, and then pushed it, and jostled it to get more gas down that tube, rinse and repeat. I probably literally ran 'every drop' out of that tank. I managed to get it to a friends house, and filled it up the next day, after walking home in defeat. Your post reminded me of that. Too funny.

And on a related note, a friend of mine at the time, who had a Yamaha YZ, decided he wanted a see through tube too, and used aquarium tubing. After almost setting himself on fire, which I was sad that I missed, he bought the right tubing... (Some people, huh)
 
Well this is awkward. If you're watching the Apple event right now with the guy on the bike showcasing the iPhone 13 in the promo .... 😂
I know. Was going to say the same thing. :D Hilarious Apple.
They are basically inviting the lawyers with open arms.
Very unwise. Have to wonder the people in Apple's PR team. They really have been doing poor jobs lately.
 
I know. Was going to say the same thing. :D Hilarious Apple.
They are basically inviting the lawyers with open arms.
Very unwise. Have to wonder the people in Apple's PR team. They really have been doing poor jobs lately.

All they have to say is that perching the iPhone on a motorcycle is 'abuse', and they are covered.Someone needs to put a seismograph on someones handlebars and see how much force is generated to see that not many devices could survive such a situation. The IEEE article that I mentioned that was on 'chip failures' went through such issues as lead failures, chips delaminating form the base, chips actually cracking. The article was fascinating, and the damage it showed was minuscule in size, but non the less devastating in effect. The thought that vibrations could cause the incredibly small wires to actually vibrate and break was fascinating. That chips would/could actually fracture is amazing. That a chip could break loose from the floor of its tomb was almost unbelievable. THAT is the truth of making chips hardened. Apple can't be sued for the result of physics. Those failures seem amazing, and they are, but unless people want to pay the price for hardened chips in their phones so they can use it as a 'one size fits all' toy, they should realize that the iPhone isn't meant to be used in that way, and they need to use devices that are, or buy the mounts that will take the liability off of Apple when the iPhone fails. Garmin has a 'motorcycle GPS unit'. Maybe that is a better choice?

Stomping your feet, holding your breath, suing, isn't going to change physics.
 
All they have to say is that perching the iPhone on a motorcycle is 'abuse', and they are covered.Someone needs to put a seismograph on someones handlebars and see how much force is generated to see that not many devices could survive such a situation. The IEEE article that I mentioned that was on 'chip failures' went through such issues as lead failures, chips delaminating form the base, chips actually cracking. The article was fascinating, and the damage it showed was minuscule in size, but non the less devastating in effect. The thought that vibrations could cause the incredibly small wires to actually vibrate and break was fascinating. That chips would/could actually fracture is amazing. That a chip could break loose from the floor of its tomb was almost unbelievable. THAT is the truth of making chips hardened. Apple can't be sued for the result of physics. Those failures seem amazing, and they are, but unless people want to pay the price for hardened chips in their phones so they can use it as a 'one size fits all' toy, they should realize that the iPhone isn't meant to be used in that way, and they need to use devices that are, or buy the mounts that will take the liability off of Apple when the iPhone fails. Garmin has a 'motorcycle GPS unit'. Maybe that is a better choice?

Stomping your feet, holding your breath, suing, isn't going to change physics.
The point was the fact that Apple had this support document, and then made a video ad for the iPhone 13 showing it being put on the handle bar of a motorcycle. :D
 
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The point was the fact that Apple had this support document, and then made a video ad for the iPhone 13 showing it being put on the handle bar of a motorcycle. :D

I saw a MOPED. A motorized bike. Abusive, sure, but not a Harley whizzing along at 60 MPH, bouncing off of every pothole, and vibrating enough to cause nerve damage. There are ways to mitigate the potential damage, and there are ways to totally avoid the vibration issue entirely: Either get a proper mount, or DON'T ABUSE YOUR iPhone...
 
IPhones are NOT specifically made to be attached to motorbikes, it’s a cell phone, made to be carried in purses and pockets and operated by hand. (Note that GoPro action cams, that ARE made to be jostled around, even on their latest model with Hypersmooth image stabilisation still use an electronic system, avoiding moving parts for ruggedness (and price) but not working nearly as well, particularly for stills. And they still have problems with misalignment creeping in and internal connections breaking, even when designed explicitly for ruggedness.)

Apple didn’t introduce OIS in iPhones until the 6s and sensor stabilisation only late last year. These are little marvels of optomechanical engineering, and instrumental not only to the quality of photos directly, but facilitating various computational modes that utilize image stacking. For 99.999% of users who don’t insist on strapping their phones to their food processors, this is great. You can increase camera ruggedness by removing mechanical image stabilisation and focussing, but you end up with a far less capable system (and still not completely fail safe).

Cameras on iPhones are precision aligned optomechanical systems that are not fixed but using various mobile parts that need to maintain very fine tolerances. They are subject to misalignment and eventual malfunction. Mistreat it and you will get problems. They are remarkably rugged for what they are, and stand up fine to typical use, but strapping them to vibrating, shaking, bouncing devices is bound to create problems.

This is why the thought of mounting an iPhone to a bicycle was 'too far' for me. It's not meant to be a bike computer, and the 'max' iPhones are just too big and comical when mounted on a bike. Just because you *can* doesn't make it a good idea. It's like the first time I saw a person using their iPad for a camera. It almost looked like he was about to beat the subject with that HUGE flat 'weapon'.

Let me state that again: Just because you CAN, doesn't mean you SHOULD. If you DO, and the device fails, it's not on Apple, It's on YOU!

I have a Honda CRF250F, and bought a 'computer' to show speed and various distances. I never even thought of using my iPhone on a dirt bike, it just seemed silly. But I don't use hammers to drive screws, or screwdrivers to drive nails.
 
I saw a MOPED. A motorized bike. Abusive, sure, but not a Harley whizzing along at 60 MPH, bouncing off of every pothole, and vibrating enough to cause nerve damage. There are ways to mitigate the potential damage, and there are ways to totally avoid the vibration issue entirely: Either get a proper mount, or DON'T ABUSE YOUR iPhone...
Well, the ad did show some jumps and dodging actions.

In any case, it's just funny, and the timing made it even more hilarious. In the end, the ad can create an impression on consumers on what they can do with the device. And my conclusion is that Apple's PR is just not being top form lately. :)
 
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Totally had this happen to me. Had my iPhone 10x on a ram handlebar mount. Eventually the camera could not focus and would make a clicking sound all photos came out blurry.
Been there. Luckily they didn't ask how it happened and they replaced the camera under warranty.
 
I use this vibration damper for my iPhone 11. Works well but I suspect this is predominantly an iPhone 12 problem


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I got the vibration dampener as soon as they offered it. My XR had the issue after a 6 hour trip.
 
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