Apple Wasn't Interested in AI Partnership With Meta Due to Privacy Concerns

[djphat2000]

Here come the regulators...

I'm no fan of Meta, actually really hate them, but going forward Apple needs to just open up these things so if you have the app installed with certain entitlements, you can set it as a default for if Siri is not returning any good results, like ChatGPT will be doing in the future. They could have a "Privacy Verified" list in the Settings panel for it, and then a list of everything else where you can swap in Meta if you install their AI app on your device. Otherwise I fear Apple will be targeted with Antitrust over this. I'm honestly surprised this hasn't happened yet for search engines since you can't use any other search engines aside from the 5 they provide you. Perhaps this is the precedent upon which Apple is drawing. They will have a list of the top 5 for you to pick from, and that's all you get. But the EU will continue to push!

Nah.....
No.. No no... NO! HELLS NO! Nope!

It's built to be private and not share any data other than what is absolutely necessary to do the job.
This is a pretty clean way to use Chat GPT without sharing anything else. If Apple can get more deals with other Ai companies that will offer the same level of ability without having to share any of my data. I'm for it. But we know Meta ain't that playa!

 

[Iwavvns]

So there will be no llamas.. 🦙

The Winamp devs would be devastated.

 

[JoshuaBru]

I hope Apple executives just laughed on the other end of the line when Meta proposed the idea.

 

[Riovfo]

Also EU, this is why you aren’t getting Apple Intelligence. EU regulators would force Apple to allow Facebook AI integration just like they were trying to force encrypted iMessages to work with Facebook messenger and Whats App. EU walked that one back quickly after the backlash, under the guise of iMessage is too small.

You should not confuse the EU version of Facebook with the US version. The EU version is currently being taught data protection. Apple will probably also learn a few things soon.

Also Apple said there will be no AI this year, they wont be able to withold basic OS functions from that marked indefinately

 

[TonyC28]

Ummmm ya think??

 

[sw1tcher]

Not nearly the same thing. It's super easy to not use Google on your Apple devices, but AI is being woven into Apple's OS, leaving the user no way out other than leaving the Apple ecosystem.

Meta AI would have been an option. Don't like Meta AI? Choose a different one or none at all.

Apple and Meta Reportedly Discussed AI Partnership for iOS 18

Apple has held discussions with Meta about integrating the Facebook owner's AI model into iOS 18 as part of its Apple Intelligence feature set,...

www.macrumors.com

The Wall Street Journal reports that the two longtime rivals have held talks about offering Meta's model as an additional option to OpenAI's ChatGPT.


Furthermore, for those concerned about AI privacy, they can choose to only using Apple's AI as usig ChatGPT is optional, so no need to leave the Apple ecosystem.

As part of Apple Intelligence, Apple has announced a partnership with OpenAI that will allow Siri to access ChatGPT directly in iOS 18, iPadOS 18, and macOS Sequoia to provide better responses in relevant situations. Using ChatGPT will be optional, so users with concerns about the technology can abstain and still make use of Apple's own new AI features.

Speaking at WWDC 2024, Apple's senior VP of software engineering Craig Federighi said that the company eventually wants to give its users a choice between different AI models. Federighi also suggested that Google Gemini could be an option in the future.

 

[FattiesGoneWild]

Apple has just as much or more data than Meta. 🤷‍♂️

 

[Apple Fan 2008]

Well, what would be the other reason?

 

[victorvictoria]

Apple used organic intelligence to make that decision!

 

[eltoslightfoot]

Not nearly the same thing. It's super easy to not use Google on your Apple devices, but AI is being woven into Apple's OS, leaving the user no way out other than leaving the Apple ecosystem.

Exactly. An entirely different situation. Apple should get whatever it can. It is trivial to switch to DDG.

 

[eifelbube]

Had me worried for a minute

Has me worrying about the WSJ fact-check department though …

 

[eifelbube]

… EU regulators would force Apple to allow Facebook AI integration just like they were trying to force encrypted iMessages to work with Facebook messenger and Whats App. …

I agree with the sentiment on the WSJ but ”EU would force …” is the wildest tech-related speculation I have come cross in a while.

 

[ellpee]

Has anyone used the AI bot in WhatsApp? So bad that it’s not even funny. Try it.

 

[WarmWinterHat]

Has anyone used the AI bot in WhatsApp? So bad that it’s not even funny. Try it.

No but I've used the one in Facebook messenger accidentally. It's fine, I guess.

I assume it's the same.

 

[Macaholic868]

Glad to hear it and good for Apple! Zuckerberg is not to be trusted.

 

[HMI]

To be fair,

I'm all in favor of Meta receiving an unending flood of useless, non-sensical, corrupted data that might be super encrypted 400,000 times, occasionally stalling and/or accidentally frying their servers.

I mean, Ooops! My bad!

But.......
To be clear,

That is the only kind of Meta partnership that I endorse! Let it not be communicated otherwise!

 

[Beautyspin]

Just as well the earlier news didn't fly (below from earlier topic)

The first one is from Mark Gurman while the second is from WSJ. One can make a guess as to who is more trustworthy. I think they went to Meta and discussed the terms and when it came out, Mark Gruman, the Apple shill, is doing damage control. I could be wrong though.

 

[GrayFlannel]

What’s up with the WSJ ambiguous article? They knew Apple shot this down in the /first ten minutes of talking to Meta but yet left the article open to sound like Apple is seriously considering it. I hate modern journalism.

Do you have source I could read about how the WSJ knew Apple shot this down?

 

[anthogag]

Meta shieta

 

[nelga]

Would this not be a concern with any LLM? ie. being trained on data without the users knowledge/permission. At least Meta is training from their own platform...

 

[yabeweb]

Yeah they couldn’t get what they wanted from meta and turned aroma…..like the grape story.

 

[Ta_whirimatea]

Meta is the cancer of the internet. End of.

 

[bobmans]

Weird, their models are open source so Apple could struck a deal to run them on their own servers if they’re so concerned.

 

[svish]

Glad that there is no partnership with Meta. Cannot trust Meta with the data

 

[coolfactor]

Meta should have offered Apple billions to use their AI in the same way Alphabet gives billions to Apple to make Google the default search engine. That's how you get Apple to look the other way when it comes to privacy.

Apple was not selling "Apple user data" to Google for those billions of dollars. Users still retained full control over how they used Google within Safari, if at all. If you think there was a lowering of Apple's privacy stance with the Google deal, you are mistaken.