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Apple Watch banned at Blackjack tables.

Steve686

Steve686

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Played some blackjack at Hard Rock in Hollywood,FL.

Definitely can confirm that the Watch is not allowed at the table. It's considered a "phone" or similar device.

I'm sure down the road it may be allowed but they are just being cautious right now as I'm sure they don't understand that trying to use the device to cheat would actually be a very tough task with all of the cameras and eyes on the floor that they have.
 
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I can't see why they would disallow it. I've never seen a casino where they don't allow phones at the table. It's often phone calls that are disallowed, not the device itself.
 
Actually poker rooms are generally the only place in casino where phones are allowed. Most all table games, phones are not allowed even on the table and must be kept in your pocket.


chabig said:
I can't see why they would disallow it. I've never seen a casino where they don't allow phones at the table. It's often phone calls that are disallowed, not the device itself.
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In Vegas. I think it differs. One blackjack table said I couldn't wear one. Another table in same casino didn't care. Roulette didn't care either
 
malochico1 said:
Actually poker rooms are generally the only place in casino where phones are allowed. Most all table games, phones are not allowed even on the table and must be kept in your pocket.
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There you go. I only play poker.
 
malochico1 said:
Actually poker rooms are generally the only place in casino where phones are allowed. Most all table games, phones are not allowed even on the table and must be kept in your pocket.
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The poker rooms here in Florida are pretty good about cellular phones. A few years ago, they weren't allowed on the table, but they do try to keep the rake coming in with players being happy. Many of the tables are now being fitted with USB ports under each table so you can keep charged up.

Go figure.
 
I played Blackjack at a casino in Ohio and they didn't say a word about my watch. I kept it under my shirt cuff though and wasn't using it at the table so that might be why.

When I was in Vegas in December with my Pebble, I was asked to take it off when I sat at a table so I'd imagine my  Watch would get the same treatment.
 
I played blackjack at the MGM in Vegas a couple weeks ago while wearing my Apple Watch, and nothing was said to me. I wasn't using it at the table, though.
 
dotnet said:
A co-conspirator standing apart could obviously signal you information about the opponent's hand via taps on your wrist, unnoticeable for anyone else.
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This would be very difficult to do with any success as you'd first have to know the hands of both individuals- There aren't many vantage points that provide you with any more than 50% visability, if that. Sending the cue within the short period of time available would be the next challenge.
 
chabig said:
I can't see why they would disallow it. I've never seen a casino where they don't allow phones at the table. It's often phone calls that are disallowed, not the device itself.
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Sit at a table and i'll stand off to the side and send you a text every time I think you should hit. Better yet, let me make an app that will send different haptic vibration length to give you more instructions.

sure this can be done with your phone and a pair of tight jeans... yeah i can see why they banned the AW and similar watches

Edit: Bellagio banning too... http://www.vegastripping.com/news/blog/5570/bellagio-bans-apple-watch-from-casino-tables/
 
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Steve686 said:
Please elaborate on exactly how this would work. I mean, where would the co-conspirator stand and more details.
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your response sounds like you're planning to try it yourself. you really don't want to get caught cheating in Vegas. Anywhere else go for it, but not Vegas casinos take cheating serious.
 
acctman said:
Sit at a table and i'll stand off to the side and send you a text every time I think you should hit. Better yet, let me make an app that will send different haptic vibration length to give you more instructions./
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Sorry, I'm still not seeing it. If I want you to give me advice, why can't I just ask for it? Are Blackjack players forbidden from talking to each other?
 
acctman said:
your response sounds like you're planning to try it yourself. you really don't want to get caught cheating in Vegas. Anywhere else go for it, but not Vegas casinos take cheating serious.
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No. I just don't like broad stroke statements that say, "A co-conspirator standing apart could obviously signal you information about the opponent's hand via taps on your wrist, unnoticeable for anyone else."

I spend about 40 hours a month at the poker tables and there is no way anybody sitting at the table sending information about an opponent's hand is not going to be picked up by either the players, the dealer, or the cameras that are above every angle in the room.

That's why I want to hear a detailed description for some "obvious signal" that I don't know about that could be costing me or other players thousands of dollars.:rolleyes:

And as far as someone NOT sitting at the table or sitting behind the player as a "guest observer"? I always tell the floor to not allow people behind me or other players because they aren't actually playing.
 
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Ray Brady said:
Sorry, I'm still not seeing it. If I want you to give me advice, why can't I just ask for it? Are Blackjack players forbidden from talking to each other?
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Exactly. Players even ask the dealers for advice at blackjack.

I do get nervous when someone starts asking, though. Seeing a player HIT on 13 with a dealer showing a 4 always makes me sigh....
 
Ray Brady said:
Sorry, I'm still not seeing it. If I want you to give me advice, why can't I just ask for it? Are Blackjack players forbidden from talking to each other?
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but it's not about you, it's what others will do to cheat the system. it only takes one or two shady minded people to ruin it for everyone else. That's why we have so many ridiculous rules and laws in life. Universities are banning smartwatches from being worn during testing. So clearly someone has tried to cheat
 
acctman said:
but it's not about you, it's what others will do to cheat the system. it only takes one or two shady minded people to ruin it for everyone else. That's why we have so many ridiculous rules and laws in life. Universities are banning smartwatches from being worn during testing. So clearly someone has tried to cheat
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Fear.

That's what drives everything.

The wrong way.
 
acctman said:
but it's not about you, it's what others will do to cheat the system. it only takes one or two shady minded people to ruin it for everyone else. That's why we have so many ridiculous rules and laws in life. Universities are banning smartwatches from being worn during testing. So clearly someone has tried to cheat
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See, I understand how someone could use a smart watch to cheat on a test. What I'm having trouble understanding is how it would be useful at a blackjack table. What specific information could be delivered by a watch that couldn't be delivered just by talking?
 
acctman said:
Sit at a table and i'll stand off to the side and send you a text every time I think you should hit. Better yet, let me make an app that will send different haptic vibration length to give you more instructions.

sure this can be done with your phone and a pair of tight jeans... yeah i can see why they banned the AW and similar watches

Edit: Bellagio banning too... http://www.vegastripping.com/news/blog/5570/bellagio-bans-apple-watch-from-casino-tables/
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The best part about the article you added in your edit is the last paragraph that reads:

"What is it about the Apple Watch - as opposed to other earlier-to-market devices - that gives the casinos the belief that the device can compromise game security?"
 
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