Apple Watch banned at Blackjack tables.

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  1. Steve686 macrumors 68030

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    Played some blackjack at Hard Rock in Hollywood,FL.

    Definitely can confirm that the Watch is not allowed at the table. It's considered a "phone" or similar device.

    I'm sure down the road it may be allowed but they are just being cautious right now as I'm sure they don't understand that trying to use the device to cheat would actually be a very tough task with all of the cameras and eyes on the floor that they have.
     
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    That's why I noted the exact location.
     
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    Wore mine playing roulette in Vegas last week. They didn't even flinch.
     
  5. chabig macrumors 68040

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    I can't see why they would disallow it. I've never seen a casino where they don't allow phones at the table. It's often phone calls that are disallowed, not the device itself.
     
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    Actually poker rooms are generally the only place in casino where phones are allowed. Most all table games, phones are not allowed even on the table and must be kept in your pocket.


     
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    In Vegas. I think it differs. One blackjack table said I couldn't wear one. Another table in same casino didn't care. Roulette didn't care either
     
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    There you go. I only play poker.
     
  9. Steve686 thread starter macrumors 68030

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    At Hard Rock in Hollywood, FL, they also disallow phones on the table. Phones are OK on the poker room tables, though.
     
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    The poker rooms here in Florida are pretty good about cellular phones. A few years ago, they weren't allowed on the table, but they do try to keep the rake coming in with players being happy. Many of the tables are now being fitted with USB ports under each table so you can keep charged up.

    Go figure.
     
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    I played Blackjack at a casino in Ohio and they didn't say a word about my watch. I kept it under my shirt cuff though and wasn't using it at the table so that might be why.

    When I was in Vegas in December with my Pebble, I was asked to take it off when I sat at a table so I'd imagine my  Watch would get the same treatment.
     
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    A co-conspirator standing apart could obviously signal you information about the opponent's hand via taps on your wrist, unnoticeable for anyone else.
     
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    And this could still be done with the watch strapped to your leg.
     
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    I played blackjack at the MGM in Vegas a couple weeks ago while wearing my Apple Watch, and nothing was said to me. I wasn't using it at the table, though.
     
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    This would be very difficult to do with any success as you'd first have to know the hands of both individuals- There aren't many vantage points that provide you with any more than 50% visability, if that. Sending the cue within the short period of time available would be the next challenge.
     
  16. Steve686 thread starter macrumors 68030

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    Please elaborate on exactly how this would work. I mean, where would the co-conspirator stand and more details.
     
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    Sit at a table and i'll stand off to the side and send you a text every time I think you should hit. Better yet, let me make an app that will send different haptic vibration length to give you more instructions.

    sure this can be done with your phone and a pair of tight jeans... yeah i can see why they banned the AW and similar watches

    Edit: Bellagio banning too... http://www.vegastripping.com/news/blog/5570/bellagio-bans-apple-watch-from-casino-tables/
     
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    your response sounds like you're planning to try it yourself. you really don't want to get caught cheating in Vegas. Anywhere else go for it, but not Vegas casinos take cheating serious.
     
  19. Ray Brady macrumors 6502

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    Sorry, I'm still not seeing it. If I want you to give me advice, why can't I just ask for it? Are Blackjack players forbidden from talking to each other?
     
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    No. I just don't like broad stroke statements that say, "A co-conspirator standing apart could obviously signal you information about the opponent's hand via taps on your wrist, unnoticeable for anyone else."

    I spend about 40 hours a month at the poker tables and there is no way anybody sitting at the table sending information about an opponent's hand is not going to be picked up by either the players, the dealer, or the cameras that are above every angle in the room.

    That's why I want to hear a detailed description for some "obvious signal" that I don't know about that could be costing me or other players thousands of dollars.:rolleyes:

    And as far as someone NOT sitting at the table or sitting behind the player as a "guest observer"? I always tell the floor to not allow people behind me or other players because they aren't actually playing.
     
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    Exactly. Players even ask the dealers for advice at blackjack.

    I do get nervous when someone starts asking, though. Seeing a player HIT on 13 with a dealer showing a 4 always makes me sigh....
     
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    but it's not about you, it's what others will do to cheat the system. it only takes one or two shady minded people to ruin it for everyone else. That's why we have so many ridiculous rules and laws in life. Universities are banning smartwatches from being worn during testing. So clearly someone has tried to cheat
     
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    Fear.

    That's what drives everything.

    The wrong way.
     
  24. Ray Brady macrumors 6502

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    See, I understand how someone could use a smart watch to cheat on a test. What I'm having trouble understanding is how it would be useful at a blackjack table. What specific information could be delivered by a watch that couldn't be delivered just by talking?
     
  25. Steve686 thread starter macrumors 68030

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    The best part about the article you added in your edit is the last paragraph that reads:

    "What is it about the Apple Watch - as opposed to other earlier-to-market devices - that gives the casinos the belief that the device can compromise game security?"
     

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