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I think you'll find it's the screen being the primary energy sucker.

Perhaps, but it's likely OLED. Also, Samsung gets 2 days out of the newest Gear models (though they are much bigger), so I'm sure Apple wants to get there eventually. But looking at other watches, they tend to use older SOC designs, probably because of power consumption issues.
 
people said the same when smartphones (iphone) hit the scene, yet they displaced longer-lasting feature-phones anyway. why? because they did more.

Gen 1 iPhone was 8 hour battery had no MMS, no cut & paste, EDGE only but was a darn good phone. Music, browsing and email made it that phone. For me back then was it meant I didn’t need to carry my ipod. I’d load song onto my iphone and that was good for me as I’d often not bring the ipod everywhere I went and with a phone I would.

Apple Watch I can see the same. Its limited on some functionally. But it does bring to the table some benefits over the phone. The first being is I don;t have to take my phone out of my pocket, just raise my wrist to check a notification, email, see who’s calling etc – that’s much more unobtrusive than taking out your phone and way more quicker. The haptic feedback is a nice concept because you then can gain notification without the need to even look at your watch or phone. It’s always on your skin so they can perform this function. Nice touch. There’s enough for me to enhance on the iphone experience via the watch for me to buy one.

Battery life is an interesting one. What does this watch do that requires a 4 day battery life? My current watch is taken off at night, during the day at my keyboard and before shower. Why not here?
 
My Rolex stops running after one day if I'm not wearing it and all it can do is tell the time. Whah Whah I think many of the guys on this forum would be pouting if it ran for only 7 days. The iPod nano watch only last a day and it doesn't do crap.

Perhaps you need a better watch. There are watches charged by your hand movement which last way more than a day, a month or a year. Just a helpful suggestion.
 
Battery life is not the biggest problem with the Apple Watch.

The biggest issue I see is that, for most functions, it must be tethered to your iPhone to work. Whats the point of being able to use Maps, Messages, etc when you could just pull your phone out of your pocket and get a better experience on a bigger screen? It has no GPS chip so you can't even use it to track your hiking/running route like most GPS watches.

Well, you certainly can use it to track running, and it has some clever features there. You just need your phone securely stuffed in your pocket :) Other than running I can't think of any situation where I wouldn't want my phone with me anyway. I wouldn't buy this just for notifications, but if I had one, it would still be easier to glance at a watch than to pull my phone out.
 
Yahoo Finance article

Here's a good article on yahoo finance. In addition, Apple did not use "far field" induction for charging. Far Field would allow there to be no contact between the watch and the charging unit.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/cant-just-admit-apple-watch-170750775.html

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But the device has two obvious flaws that people aren't really saying much about.

The watch works only if you're carrying an iPhone at the same time. It isn't an independent gadget. It needs to be tethered to a nearby iPhone via Bluetooth if you want it to do its stuff.

The watch's battery doesn't last all day. It must be charged anew each night, Apple says. That means you can't sleep with it on your wrist, like, you know, a normal watch. (Even Apple is unhappy with it, we hear.)
 
Who wants to spend $1000 on a gold device that becomes obsolete in nine months at most??

There is also no subsidy on watches. It'll be interesting to see how much that drives consumer behavior. Most people are accustomed to a "$99 iphone" when in fact they're paying $700+ over two years. With a watch, you'll pay all upfront.
 
How far can you customise it? Can you shut off virtually everything to maintain a better battery life?

There's just so little I would do with one I don't see the point in getting it. For functionality I'd love a 6th Gen Nano instead.
 
Here's a good article on yahoo finance. In addition, Apple did not use "far field" induction for charging. Far Field would allow there to be no contact between the watch and the charging unit.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/cant-just-admit-apple-watch-170750775.html

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But the device has two obvious flaws that people aren't really saying much about.

The watch works only if you're carrying an iPhone at the same time. It isn't an independent gadget. It needs to be tethered to a nearby iPhone via Bluetooth if you want it to do its stuff.

The watch's battery doesn't last all day. It must be charged anew each night, Apple says. That means you can't sleep with it on your wrist, like, you know, a normal watch. (Even Apple is unhappy with it, we hear.)

But it doesn't need to be "tethered". The watch can perform many of its functions without the phone. Its only when you want full functionally it will pair with the phone.

Without pairing and you required MAPS it would be GPS/3G/LTE you’d kill the phone in 15 minutes or the battery would be 5 times the size. That’s not practical or a workable solution.

The phone screen size experience will be better but if you need a “quick map” then use the watch. I’m not sure why people are expecting full screen phone experience on a screen the size of a watch.

It’s like desktop to phone. There are some application which are better on a big screen desktop. You could still do it on a phone but the experience will be lesser but you didn’t mind because you are mobile and not at a desk.

That means you can't sleep with it on your wrist, like, you know, a normal watch

You know, you can actually sleep with it on its wrist if you choose to charge it at a different time or that its charged prior to going to bed.

Apple didn't say you "have" to charge it at night. You're free to charge it whenever you like.

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How much does facebook cost to use?

Cost of your phone and data plan.

$1500 all in?
 
The distinction between a full day of use (whatever your day is between sleep) and almost a full day of use is a make or break distinction for me. Having your watch die before you go to sleep is not acceptable, ever, IMO.
 
The distinction between a full day of use (whatever your day is between sleep) and almost a full day of use is a make or break distinction for me. Having your watch die before you go to sleep is not acceptable, ever, IMO.

Why? What if it did die? or what if it kept enough power to maintain time and date but not the pairing features - would that be enough?

And what of your phone, if that's providing the services to the watch and say you lost functionality of maps due to power you wouldn't actually be without maps, would you?

I think some are looking for a phone replacement and not a watch.
 
This and GPS are the two reasons I'm going to have to buy a second one of these eventually...

A day is pretty much what the Moto 360 is getting as well. I'd like more, but frankly, if I need to take it off every two or three days, what's the difference with taking it off every day? I'm better off just getting into a habit of charging the same time every day.

If it ran a week, I wouldn't need to travel with the cradle most of the time.

If they can get the charge time down to half an hour, once a day, then I could charge it while I'm in the shower and just wouldn't care.

I've never slept with a watch on. This one I might if I find value in using the biosensors to monitor my sleep. First time the thing turns it's backlight on in my eyes it's across the room through.
 
Gen 1 iPhone was 8 hour battery had no MMS, no cut & paste, EDGE only but was a darn good phone. Music, browsing and email made it that phone.

But it provided functionality that you just could not get with anything else on the market - it was a true revolution.

The Watch needs to be paired to your iPhone and stay within Bluetooth range constantly just to be used and has no functionality on its own (like GPS etc) - AND it does nothing more than the phone it's paired to and that you already have with you.

Not to mention the incredibly confusing interface with tiny tiny icons all over the place.

Steve Jobs would have delayed the Watch until it really had some never before seen functionality or benefit.

Seems like Tim does not have the balls for that. Sad.
 
Too bad Moores law is stalling out on us just when we reach wearables. Do people still think Intels problems with 14nm just "happened"?

We're screwed, battery issues may never be solved.
 
But it provided functionality that you just could not get with anything else on the market - it was a true revolution.

The Watch needs to be paired to your iPhone and stay within Bluetooth range constantly just to be used and has no functionality on its own (like GPS etc) - AND it does nothing more than the phone it's paired to and that you already have with you.

Not to mention the incredibly confusing interface with tiny tiny icons al over the place.

Steve Jobs would have delayed the Watch until it really had some never before seen functionality or benefit.

Seems like Tim does not have the balls for that. Sad.

Revolution? The method of interaction with the gen 1 iPhone was the revolution. Nothing else on it was particularly new and it introduced with a load of features missing. Its original price was $599 on contract!

In terms of the watch, yes it has a small screen. It is a watch after all. So with all those icons, how else do you expect them to arrange the apps? Swipe? that would take forever. Your favorite sets of information goes in "Glances" with a swipe.

has no functionality on its own

What functionality are you looking for that is independent of a phone? I don't understand. Are you saying you want to leave your phone at home and do everything on the watch? If that's the case then you're looking for a phone replacement in a watch and not an actual watch.
 
You know, you can actually sleep with it on its wrist if you choose to charge it at a different time or that its charged prior to going to bed.

Apple didn't say you "have" to charge it at night. You're free to charge it whenever you like.

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Of course you are. But we don't know how long it goes from 0 to full charge. And most people want to get up in the morning and have a full days usage out of it. It's not unrealistic to comment that one wants to sleep with it on for tracking purposes and be "annoyed" that they will have to trickle charge it elsewhere throughout the day.
 
Personally I think if it lasts a day for the heaviest users then that's enough, you'll soon get into the habit of charging it nightly along with your iPhone, I'm sure 3rd party companies are already working on other charging solutions including in your car.

I just wonder how much it will cost to replace the battery which I assume given the size of the watch will probably loose it's charge quicker than a phone or tablet and will need replacing in 2 years or less.
 
I do also wonder can you turn off functions to extend the battery life?

If you turn off everything and have it just be a watch how long will the battery last?
 
That is exactly what Apple should have found out before releasing something that basically does nothing that you can't already do.

Apple have found that out. That if they made the watch with GPS/3G/LTE/M8etc. it would be 5 meters thick and need a battery the size of your arm.

Regardless, like when the iPhone it first came out. You could already make calls, you could browse the internet, look at photos etc. The desktop and other phones provided that functionality already.

But what you got was a new interface which made all of those experiences much better.

Similar to the watch. Its providing you better experiences for the parts where the iphone falls down - the fact that its in your pocket most of the day. The watch allows you to "glance" at your watch for "short" information rather than take out your phone. It can be remote control for music, apple TV etc. Siri, make calls etc. That's helpful.

Its not trying to replace the phone. It would be a phone if it was trying to be a phone.
 
I do also wonder can you turn off functions to extend the battery life?

If you turn off everything and have it just be a watch how long will the battery last?

There is no functionality to turn off.

The only thing the Watch has is Bluetooth LE and that doesn't use a lot of battery, everything else comes from the iPhone.

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But what you got [with the iPhone] was a new interface which made all of those experiences much better.

But the watch doesn't - the experience on my phone is WAY better than on a tiny screen with a little scroll wheel. It doesn't make anything better AND it doesn't give me any extra functionality.

DOA
 
Of course you are. But we don't know how long it goes from 0 to full charge. And most people want to get up in the morning and have a full days usage out of it. It's not unrealistic to comment that one wants to sleep with it on for tracking purposes and be "annoyed" that they will have to trickle charge it elsewhere throughout the day.

Most people are whom?

I don't disagree that a charging strategy based on sleep makes good sense. Its downtime.

But the article is using the "tradeoff" that you can't go to sleep "with the watch on".

That's the trade off? That I can't use the watch when I'm sleeping? ummm ok. Got it. Huge loss.

Maybe apple will invent a TV I can watch when I'm asleep? :rolleyes:

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But the watch doesn't - the experience on my phone is WAY better than on a tiny screen with a little scroll wheel. It doesn't make anything better AND it
doesn't give me any extra functionality.

DOA

Its not trying to be a phone or a big screen device but the simple fact its a watch which has a small screen.

Like a TV watch. It could never be a TV because it just too small.

I'm really not sure what you expect from this device. You just say its stupid but don't have the ability to list out the reasons why.

For me having a "data feed" from my phone to a watch is very useful. Taking out iPhone, swiping, finding app etc. can get tedious for one task functions - i.e. weather, time, text check, email check etc.

All can be done by the phone but there is a more efficient way to get that information to my eyes - that's the watch. Why? because its already on your wrist and visible.
 
Apple have found that out. That if they made the watch with GPS/3G/LTE/M8etc. it would be 5 meters thick and need a battery the size of your arm.

Regardless, like when the iPhone it first came out. You could already make calls, you could browse the internet, look at photos etc. The desktop and other phones provided that functionality already.

But what you got was a new interface which made all of those experiences much better.

Similar to the watch. Its providing you better experiences for the parts where the iphone falls down - the fact that its in your pocket most of the day. The watch allows you to "glance" at your watch for "short" information rather than take out your phone. It can be remote control for music, apple TV etc. Siri, make calls etc. That's helpful.

Its not trying to replace the phone. It would be a phone if it was trying to be a phone.

I don't know, the Samsung Gear S is pretty slim and has all of those things. I'm not saying the S isn't ugly, it is, but it's not a very thick watch at least by today's standards of smartwatches.
 
Most people are whom?

I don't disagree that a charging strategy based on sleep makes good sense. Its downtime.

But the article is using the "tradeoff" that you can't go to sleep "with the watch on".

That's the trade off? That I can't use the watch when I'm sleeping? ummm ok. Got it. Huge loss.

Maybe apple will invent a TV I can watch when I'm asleep? :rolleyes:

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Are you aware that there seems to be a large population of people who use devices to track their sleeping habits as part of their health regimen?
 
Its not trying to be a phone or a big screen device but the simple fact its a watch which has a small screen.

What it actually is, is a screen extension for the iPhone for $400.

It is nothing on its own.
 
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