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Apple Watch Chips Now Being Made in the U.S. for the First Time
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If you are prepared to pay 2-3 times as much then yes.
as I said - neglectable in the bigger scheme - then I'd use it instead of 4 years just 4 years and two months
my current iPhone 14 Pro cost me including Apple care € 2,258 - + € 200 dent change a lot - that's +10 %
Putting aside how that would not affect you personally, how do you think that would affect the other 599,999 people who purchase iPhones everyday (on the average), paying $200 to $400 more for an iPhone.
And... how would that affect Apple as a company, knowing that increased iPhone prices would lead to a substantial decrease in iPhone sales.
I guess one option available to Apple would be to de-scope features and performance in order to bring the retail price back down. That would likely result in Apple being less competitive in the mobil phone market. It's a no win situation for Apple.
Would you be OK with that?
I would be very reluctant to buy an iPhone assembled in the US unless it was done mostly by illegal immigrants.
It's certainly the cheapest method and will create the watches with better quality.
Shipping cost is almost always negligent for such small and lightweight components.
Not sure how legal vs illegal makes any difference when it comes to assembly. Skilled workers are skilled workers.. 😐
From a national security standpoint you simply can’t understate how important the capability to make the most advanced semiconductors someplace more secure from a geopolitical standpoint than Taiwan is.
Having this capability state side is equal to being able to make planes and tanks during WWII. It’s completely essential to the survival of western civilization in the event a world wide conflict breaks out.
Having this capability state side is equal to being able to make planes and tanks during WWII. It’s completely essential to the survival of western civilization in the event a world wide conflict breaks out.
I don’t see how those chips will be much more expensive produced locally then overseas. I suppose the plant will also be heavily automated and the labor costs of Taiwan isn’t that far off the labor costs domestically.
It’s good in the longer term. And will bite you back in the future if you’re only after short term profits and make yourself totally dependent from foreign countries in the future (as we’re now already)
It’s not only the product development but also the wisdom and knowledge that’s going away if you don’t do.
It's going to be a VERY long time before US companies no longer rely on TSMC. They have 61% to 64.9% of the global market.
Price. If illegal you can pay under the table, not pay a fair wage, and cut costs. Its why every time there is a huge push about getting rid of all illegal immigrants in the US its the FARM industry that pushes back. They get very cheap labor via illegals. If I recall Alabama did a study on its crackdown on illegal immigrants and it showed 11bn in lost revenue.
I understand that, but why would you prefer illegal? It reduces worker protection in favor of exploitive employers. Yes, the employees make more, but at the expense of vulnerable day-laborors.
I grew up on a fairly large farm and we hired immigrant workers. They were all legal.
National security. Taiwan (where TSMC is mainly located) is vulnerable to be invaded by China.
Probably right after the invasion of Greenland.
I wonder how much of the materials and machines involved in manufacturing are still sourced from elsewhere. The EUV lithography systems for example are by ASML in the Netherlands, but likely in turn with significant global dependencies as well. It’s important to become more independent from China and other adversarial states, but it’s also highly unlikely for the whole manufacturing chain to become completely independent from other countries.
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So why not start building said infrastructure? There was a point when it didn't exist in China, and they built it. We can build it too.
I doubt the American work force would be tempted to live in a barracks with a rice diet and 12 hour days seven days per week for what the Chinese earn.
The employee numbers required are beyond the US population to support. They have billions of folks where we have just over 300,000 of all ages.
Automation at a scale yet not reached in the USA would be necessary to make 600,000 phones and the other products every day.
China does not want to cut its nose to spite its face. There is tremendous hard currency coming into the country and their economy is faltering.
The employee numbers required are beyond the US population to support. They have billions of folks where we have just over 300,000 of all ages.
Automation at a scale yet not reached in the USA would be necessary to make 600,000 phones and the other products every day.
China does not want to cut its nose to spite its face. There is tremendous hard currency coming into the country and their economy is faltering.
If it cuts into the profits of the powers that be, you can forget it ever getting off the ground, even if long term investment is beneficial.
We can’t even keep our existing roads bridges and power grid maintained, let alone build the infrastructure to out produce a manufacturing giant with more skilled workers than our entire population.
Did you write this comment in terminal?
They're gonna be the best chips. That's not just me talking, that's what the experts say. It's going to be yuge. We're doing thing that they can't do, not even Chinaaaaa.
Well - in case the jobs move back to US and Europe people would get more benefits from the jobs and thus the revenue would stay in the country and the taxes could go down - we are basically shipping our money to other counties - in the bigger scheme all would benefit.
Apple has and will always be the premium offer - and you can only utilize your engineers once - would you rather let them work on high margin products or high volume low margin products?
I don’t think it can be simplified like that.
Apple has only one chance - be the best in usability and HMI ( human man interface ) and offer a premium service with the best possible privacy - everything else is probably not working for Apple while maintaining a high quality experience.
We can see on the other side of the fence the Wild West mentality of companies putting them in the focus and not the customer. I feel pretty well served with Apple
It‘s not about me - its about us all and in case I would have to choose between US or Europe manufacturing plus higher prices vs Asia and slightly lower prices I would strongly vote for Europen and US manufacturing in the interest of risk mitigation for us all.
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The increased cost of hiring US workers would shoot an already expensive phone into the stratosphere. Even the Arizona TSMC is having issue with the US government.
Well it opens the possibility for Apple to not send their chip design file to Taiwan.
