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Lot's of good observations here. Better battery life. More autonomous functionality. But I think the biggest problem is the price. For many people, the watch is very expensive. Maybe that's unavoidable, and I don't want to see Apple create total junk just to meet a price point, but I believe this is the biggest issue.

A version 2 or 3 watch that can do much more on it's own, last for a couple of days or more, and make a better case for replacing some phone functionality, will do better. If Apple can reduce the price of the lower end watch without dropping functionality (as it did with the early iPhone) it will do better.
 
Hmm...I've noticed MacRumors is the only Apple-centric site to reported on this today. Nothing from 9to5Mac, Apple Insider, iMore, Macworld, The Loop, Daring Fireball, Six Colors, etc. Perhaps it's because they get this is meaningless data that tells us nothing. Or maybe they're not looking for page views.
 
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Comical?

My comments are about the launch to date which has been underwhelming, and I gave some reasons for it. But lets go over your points.

1) Yes, the AW has been on sale for 3 months and Apple still hasn't said anything about sales. If you are going compare the original iPhone to the AW, Apple announce sales thought the quarter. Why is Apple so mum?

2) Yes, people would laugh at the original iPhone specs today BECAUSE they laughed about them back then. The killer feature of the original iPhone was it's screen. It's processor was nothing to impress. And certainly it's wireless capability was a step back with only 2G EDGE. (Original iPad was criticized for being too heavy, which it was).
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Do you really believe the stuff you write. I'm as big an Apple fan as any and been so for almost as long as Apple has existed. But my ego is not invested in Apple's success. Where I see stink I'll pinch my nose for all to see. (I am BTW financially invested in Apple's success with it being 10% of my portfolio). The Apple Watch and launch TO DATE is plainly not a robust one to anyone who isn't wearing blinders.

Regarding 1) Apple said back in October that they weren't going to release sales figures and report it in "Other." You don't report sales of a major product category in "Other." Why is everyone surprised that they are sticking to their word?

My guess is that they know it isn't going to be a barn burner, but that they plan to stick with it over the long term (or at least a few generations) since they see potential in the category. It's an accessory, not a primary device. Do we judge a department store based on how many bracelets they sell? Specifically, it is an iPhone accessory for now. Therefore don't be surprised to see future launches tied to the iPhone release. We are in the 3 month "lull" before the new iPhone launch, which will bring millions of people into Apple Stores, followed by the holiday rush. I would not be surprised at all to see some more band options before the end of the year, along with a renewed marketing push this October. It probably won't sell in the stratospheric predictions that analysts were predicting (that you'll notice I said were unrealistic all along), but it will still bring in more revenue than the Apple TV and other accessories.

Apple is still first and foremost an iPhone seller. They likely have at least a year and maybe 2 more years of decent sales growth with the iPhone. Then, along with the rest of the industry, they'll face a saturated market and replacement-rate sales. That's where Samsung is now. Apple Watch won't be the "next big thing" that propels them to stratospheric growth, but I don't think it was intended to be, either.

If we are realistic, there is definitely potential for the Apple Watch, particularly the Sport, to be the preferred "second" Apple device, much like the iPod Shuffle was in its heyday. The biggest complaint I hear from people are that it doesn't have a standalone GPS, and thus it isn't "independent" enough to take on a run. Apple can fix that with a "fitness band" that incorporates a GPS and serves as an add-on. For all we know they are working on that now.

I like the Apple Watch but was realistic about it from the start. It hasn't changed my life, but I didn't expect it to. It is handy, and the steel version in particular is pretty nice looking with the right bands. I don't use apps all that much, but notifications are nice. Can they get 10% of iPhone buyers to purchase one regularly (or to buy new bands, etc.)? Perhaps eventually. If so, it would be as big as the Mac.
 
I would not pay more that $400 for an Apple 1.0 product. The stainless steel is too much when the overpriced bands are factored in.

I disagree. I prefer the look of the stainless steel Apple Watch to the aluminum. It just plain looks more like a regular watch. I finally did try the Sport, but it looks more like a tech item than a fashion accessory. It's worth the extra $200 for me.
 
By all means, please provide FACTS that demonstrate how you reached 10 billion in first year sales.

Obviously, I can't provide FACTS of projected sales. As I said, I was just projecting from the numbers released by Slice.

1.5 million launch
10,000 - 20,000 per day = 3.7 - 7.3 million
Bump for the Holidays ~ 3 million

So that's 8.2 - 11.8 million x $500 ASP = $4.1 - $5.9 billion in the US

Those are bare minimum number to me for US sales. Considering that sales in the Americas are only 35% of Apple's revenue, I think $10 billion is a reasonable projection. I also think watchOS 2 will provide a bump to those sales.

You're getting on my case for not being a blind fanboy, you're demanding facts to support my opinion, yet you yourself throw around a sales figure with absolutely nothing to back it up.

No I was getting on your case for using these numbers as evidence of your POV without providing any context.

I didn't ask you for facts. I simply asked for what sales numbers would have met your personal opinion of success.
 
This. The Apple Watch needs to at least double its battery life with it being always on during the day (no screen saver watch face).
That way it will function better as a watch.
Also a person should be able to sleep with it while it is turned on (which has some uses) and not worry that it will be dead in the morning.
Actually, I have fallen asleep with it on. At least with my usage pattern, it still had about 1/3 power left. Apple undersold the battery life. It can last 24 hours with typical use.
 
I think the major problem with the Apple watch is that it doesn't really know what market it is targeting. There isn't really a market for high-end luxury smartwatches, and that fact is clear in the numbers presented in this article (2/3 are the entry-level model). In my opinion, I think Apple needs to target the "sport" crowd, using the Apple Watch Sport. I currently own Garmin watches for biking and running, as well as a separate watch for golf. My friends also own Garmin watches for hiking and orienteering. Each of these devices costs at least $250, with the better devices going for upwards of $500. For me, a $400-500 Apple Sport watch WITH GPS and a decent amount of waterproofing/durability, AND the ability to transform itself via apps (into say, a running, golf, biking, or orienteering watch) would be well worth it. I could forgo my many sport-specific garmin watches (which probably cost close to $1000 as-is), and instead get a potentially much better designed watch that also integrates with my iPhone. "IF" Apple can figure out how to target this market, I think they may have a winner.
 
Just another failed Tim Cook product launch. Why on earth anyone would buy this is a puzzle to me. Apple was looking for SOMETHING to launch besides the old iPhone/iPad combo, but this isn't really a necessary product. It doesn't add anything useful to one's life. It's just another gadget one needs to keep up with.
 
I actually don't understand the bashing here. The graph clearly shows the market saturation: from the beginning of April (pre-ordering hype) until the first half of June the demand was pretty constant.

In other words: everyone, who wanted one, got one already. The rest of prospective customers is waiting either for Watch OS 2 or :apple:Watch 2.

No big deal.
 
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These are some pretty ridiculous arguments, as you clearly have no idea how a day or two with this very specific watch is like and you don't have any intention to find out.

It's pretty stupid to see you form arguments over the price of the product and what you think Apple earns pr. sold product.


Jeez, bud. Like it's a monumental intellectual feat predicting what advantages an existing product can provide! Your comment pretty much makes illegitimate the entire basis of human consumerism dating back to the advent of the public market. People look at a product, then decided if they value the product. It's simple.

"How do you know how much this is worth until you buy it"

That's not even a suitable pitch for a 3rd tier used car salesman. If you insist on this line of thinking, then I suggest it is Apple's fault they did not adequately convince people of the value this product provides. I guess daily sales approaching 2000 watches per day (about 5 watches per freaking store!), is the consumer's fault for not realizing what $800 can do for them based on nothing other than faith.
 
I actually don't understand the bashing here. The graph clearly shows the market saturation: from the beginning of April (pre-ordering hype) until the first half of June the demand was pretty constant.

In other words: everyone, who wanted one, got one already. The rest of prospective customers is waiting either for Watch OS 2 or :apple:Watch 2.

No big deal.

Exactly. It should see another bounce this fall with the next iPhone release. It's a decent Christmas gift for someone who already has everything else Apple. Apple released the Watch at an odd time this year, probably because it wasn't ready. I'm guessing that Tim Cook was originally hoping it would be ready last October. This is the type of product that sells well around gift giving time and then drops off the rest of the year. 2015 is different because it got the initial pent up demand.
 
The problem is simple: why I need a watch that do less things of my iPhone, is out of energy in less than 24 hours and practically don't works without my iPhone?
 
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Plenty of contributors to this thread hit the nail on the head: the Apple Watch is essentially an amusing gimmick, and it is WAY overpriced. Its price points represent the triumph of corporate greed and wishful thinking over realism and market research.In the real world you just don't select your price points by throwing darts at a dartboard. If Apple were to slash the price s of each model by 50% in all probability it would still turn a profit, and many of us would probably change out minds. But this site ran a story recently that the base cost of the sport strap is something like two dollars, and that $400 s. s. expansion bracelet is downright extraterrestial. Thanks but no thanks.
 
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My Apple Watch SS black space grey with black link is awesome. I don't need it to be much more than a watch, but it saves me hauling my 6 plus out all the time, and is getting more and more useful as 'time goes on.' I'm on watchOS 2, which is pretty buggy, but it is after all beta software. It's also stylish as hell, which is a bonus; and comfortable. I don't need it, but I really like it and enjoy it. Apple knows that if they make your life a little better, they've succeeded. And if they sell a million of something that they didn't sell before, it's win-win-win.
 
Here's the point: Apple never set sales expectations for the Watch. These are all made up by Wall Street analysts based on not much. And people are essentially declaring this product a dud based on sketchy or anecdotal evidence that doesn't match up with expectations never set by Apple in the first place. Hardly anyone had ever heard about Slice Intelligence prior to Apple Watch but now they're the definitive data point on Apple Watch sales? I'm sorry but that's stupid.
 
Jeez, bud. Like it's a monumental intellectual feat predicting what advantages an existing product can provide! Your comment pretty much makes illegitimate the entire basis of human consumerism dating back to the advent of the public market. People look at a product, then decided if they value the product. It's simple.

"How do you know how much this is worth until you buy it"

That's not even a suitable pitch for a 3rd tier used car salesman. If you insist on this line of thinking, then I suggest it is Apple's fault they did not adequately convince people of the value this product provides. I guess daily sales approaching 2000 watches per day (about 5 watches per freaking store!), is the consumer's fault for not realizing what $800 can do for them based on nothing other than faith.

You've obviously never worn a watch before.
 
Lot's of good observations here. Better battery life. More autonomous functionality. But I think the biggest problem is the price. For many people, the watch is very expensive. Maybe that's unavoidable, and I don't want to see Apple create total junk just to meet a price point, but I believe this is the biggest issue.

A version 2 or 3 watch that can do much more on it's own, last for a couple of days or more, and make a better case for replacing some phone functionality, will do better. If Apple can reduce the price of the lower end watch without dropping functionality (as it did with the early iPhone) it will do better.
No, it really isn't the price!
 
My thoughts on the Apple Watch:

1) It's a cool accessory, but they're not giving it an "accessory" price. At $400 at the low-end, it's just way too expensive.
2) I don't love the design. The rectangular face is the biggest part of that, combined with the excess black area around the actual functioning display.
3) Apple has always been known for being more controlling about things, but not allowing 3rd party devs to make custom watch faces is absurd.
4) Launching apps via the bubble UI looks horrible. I can't see how anyone could be happy using that.

A friend/coworker ordered a sport model on release day, and I just couldn't get excited about it. I could think of a couple of use cases, but not enough to justify the price tag. Style-wise, I found myself interested in the Moto 360, though. I had also been wondering over the last few years if I'd been missing anything by not trying out Android, so when simultaneous deals popped up recently for a $150 unlocked Nexus 5 and the Moto 360 for another $150, I decided to try it all out. I have to say, that I'm really liking the watch. The Android UI took some adjusting to, and I hate the Nexus 5 battery life, but overall it's been a fun experiment.

I think the Moto 360 has the Apple Watch beat on style, price, and custom watch faces, and the Android Wear UI is pretty well designed. I figured that the Apple Watch would probably be a flop, and it looks like I'm right. The good news for Apple is that there's probably so much markup that they can probably give sales a boost by drastically cutting the price, and they'd still make tons of money on it. They just need to allow 3rd party devs to customize the watchface, too. And then come out with a round 2nd-gen model.
 
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