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I told you, who's gonna buy a watch that doesn't do much but notifications and you need to have an iPhone to use it? Seriously, this is a complete failure and it was expected by everyone but the Apple fanatics.
 
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iphone 1 sold 1.4 million in year 1... This is 2.9 in less than 3 months. Or about 5x all the other smart watches together in 2014

Your math is very bad.

Will improve with age. Love mine just needs more app integration which is coming in September.

Is about the trend dude, don't be that dumb.
 
If you buy a $30,000 car, in 5 years, it's probably worth about $5,000. If you buy a $75,000 car, in 5 years, it's probably worth about $20,000. Why would anybody buy a $75,000 car?

Jewelry and clothing purchases aren't rational. Women spend thousands on a wedding dress that they'll wear once. The high end mechanical watches you describe START around $15,000 and require expensive maintenance every few years.

Stop please. If you want us to take you seriously then at least you should make a good point. If you could buy a $75,000 car for $20,000 eveyone would do it. The Apple Watch Edition doesn't offer you anything else besides that is made of gold.
 
This is wrong. There's a difference between what analists expects and actual numbers you now... This article wasn't about some analist predictions, it's about actual numbers showing the Apple Watch is not selling.

Except none of this is actual sales data. It's an estimate based on e-mail traffic of a self-selected group of people who don't mind someone snooping their e-mails, and it's limited to the US. While I'm sure the general direction is correct, I view these estimates with a lot of suspicion. I don't think the US is intended to be the largest market for the Watch. That may be China. If anything, Apple's probably more worried about the stock market crash in China than they are statistics coming from Slice.

I told you, who's gonna buy a watch that doesn't do much but notifications and you need to have an iPhone to use it? Seriously, this is a complete failure and it was expected by everyone but the Apple fanatics.

How is it a complete failure? It had its initial pop and we're now entering the historical "lull" period when iPhone sales decline. I think the intended release cycle for Apple Watch is with the new iPhone each year, particularly since it's an accessory. The fact that Apple is reporting results in Other, and said that they were doing so 6 months before it went on sale tells me that they had muted expectations in the first place.

Is about the trend dude, don't be that dumb.

It hasn't been through a full cycle yet. Watches are gift items. There will be another sales push this fall, along with a lot more functionality in Watch OS 2. Don't be that dumb.
 
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Stop please. If you want us to take you seriously then at least you should make a good point. If you could buy a $75,000 car for $20,000 eveyone would do it. The Apple Watch Edition doesn't offer you anything else besides that is made of gold.

I did make a good point. Gold jewelry doesn't offer anything over lesser materials other than that it's made of gold. Burberry sells a quartz watch with a gold case for $14,000. Mechanically, it's exactly the same as the steel version they sell for $450 and the gold-plated one they sell for $3,500. Functionally, it's no different from a $12 quartz watch you can get at a Wal-Mart. The markups get higher as the material quality improves.
 
A couple months ago they posted a huge start from information gathered from Slice and all the negative posters were saying the Slice info is worthless and not at all accurate or even true. Now that they post that sales have dropped off, the same people who were negative on the info two months ago are now loving this from the same company. :)

I actually believe that the sales have died off and the watch in the current form will not get more than 10% (at best) of the iPhone base... probably much less. If you are not a watch wearer, it is an even a harder sell - especially at the price unless there is a killer app or feature.

I do not believe the watch needs to be thinner or smaller as it really isn't that big at all. It needs more features and less dependency on the iPhone and to activate those other sensors (if they are allowed).

The biggest problem is the price and I do believe they will drop the price on the first gen eventually. Even though I own a 42mm SS and love it, not too many people want to spend the money for a product that isn't a "need" or "I want it". Maybe if the SS was $399 and the Sport was $250 (just examples) it would have sold more. The Apple Watch and every other company that makes a smart watch is not going away.
 
If you buy a $30,000 car, in 5 years, it's probably worth about $5,000. If you buy a $75,000 car, in 5 years, it's probably worth about $20,000. Why would anybody buy a $75,000 car?
Is that in America?

5 years is just barely 1 car generation. A 30k car would be a low-end luxury car like a 3 series BMW. A 1 generation old BMW 3 series isn't going to be 5k, prob closer to 15-20k.
 
So true... completely false and an idiotic comment from someone just trying to make people mad.

Agreed. Obviously from somebody who doesn't even understand how freeing it is to go outside and exercise (in addition to listening to a synced playlist through Bluetooth headphones) while fitness tracking and not have to drag your big screen iPhone with you (or strap it to your arm with an uncomfortable and intrusive armband).
 
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Google is the company who will end up revolutionizing the category, by focusing on watches as medical devices. If you recall, many of the early rumors surrounding the Apple watch centered on it's intentions of being a medical/fitness device with discussions that it may even need to get certified by the FDA. Then Apple seemingly did a 180 and got focused on the fashion angle, with weird fashion showings and anorexic models wearing the watch on every magazine cover. The launch leading up to the device was just awkward. This was all probably to just get the thing released instead of doing the hard thing, saying no, and waiting until it truly was a revolutionary product that did something new/needed. (IE, the Steve Jobs vision).

When Smart watches are capable of taking accurate blood pressure, blood oxygen levels, heart rate, work with company pedometer initiatives (Fitbit does, Apple watch doesn't where I work), can operate standalone without the phone yet still do all the functions and more that the current watch does, and get more than 1 day battery life.....they will take off.
Is Wall Street hammering on Google left right and center to produce the next big thing? Apple is under a helluva lot more pressure than Google to crank out the next hit. Don't forget in 2013 and even early 2014 some were calling for the board to replace Tim Cook. In fact one reporter from Fox Business claimed that the board was pressuring Cook to innovate more. I'm sure it was BS but it was out there. Apple has hired a lot of people with medical backgrounds and from the medical devices space. They didn't all get fired after Watch launched. I'm sure Apple is still working on a lot of that stuff. And just because it's a medical device doesn't mean it had to be fugly cheap plastic. As far as waiting until there was a truly revolutionary product what was iPad other than Steve wanting to be able to read email while he was sitting on the toilet. And since you brought up Google I give you Google Glass.
 
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you know how much money and people and skills apple have right? They just don't do things publicly like Google. But tesla have already stated how many good people have been spirited away to apple.

Why wasted r&d? All r&d is good. The apple watch is very good... If you have need of it.. I find it great for remote stuff and it's only going to get better. Agree that it needs to be independent of the phone and that is coming soon.
Sometimes time is more important than money.
Also the talent required for a self-driving car program is very niche and difficult even on the level of Apple or Google.

By that standard Google "wasted" lots of time and money on Android Wear R&D and Google Glass. Tesla can be acquired, and there is likely decades of regulatory red tape to overcome before self-driving cars become commercially viable, by which time the patents will have expired.

I also disagree that wearables are a gimmick. The technology isn't there yet, and the products have yet to achieve critical mass, but there could be lots of potential in wearables. We may or may not have self-driving cars all over the place in 20 years, but it's safe to say we'll still be buying clothes and the latest fashion. Bracelets, watches, perhaps eyeglasses, and necklaces all could be logical places for technology. Google didn't necessarily have a bad concept with Glass, but should have kept it industrial for now until the technology caught up (it could be extremely useful in the medical field or in manufacturing).
explain it.

what's logical about a bracelet with a technology? you'd need a battery to power it and recharging cycles. But what would the functionality be? In other words what functionality would it have over a smartphone.

oh and yes Google likes to waste a lot of time on bad projects, that is part of their corporate culture.
I'm sure you're right.

me too. thx
 
Agreed. Obviously from somebody who doesn't even understand how freeing it is to go outside and exercise (in addition to listening to a synced playlist through Bluetooth headphones) while fitness tracking and not have to drag your big screen iPhone with you (or strap it to your arm with an uncomfortable and intrusive armband).

This past weekend, I worked on my yard for three hours with my blue tooth headphones and the apple watch listening to a book and my iPhone was in the house. I responded to about 10 messages and work emails, scheduled two meetings for this week, made a list for items I needed from the store and never stopped working or needed my phone. I used the workout app and had almost 2000 calories and 190 minute workout that was logged. The watch was at 95% when I started and was at 69% when completed and at 40% at 10pm. I am very impressed.

I do believe the watch is overpriced but I can afford it so it is very worth it to me and my 6 other watches have not been worn once and they all cost about the same as my Apple Watch and they only tell the time. I really like the Watch and if Apple lowers the price OR adds some more features, it will sell even more.

This isn't going away... Apple, Samsung and others will keep making smartwatches.
 
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This is wrong. There's a difference between what analists expects and actual numbers you now... This article wasn't about some analist predictions, it's about actual numbers showing the Apple Watch is not selling.
Actual numbers? From who? Certainly not Apple.
 
Is that in America?

5 years is just barely 1 car generation. A 30k car would be a low-end luxury car like a 3 series BMW. A 1 generation old BMW 3 series isn't going to be 5k, prob closer to 15-20k.

A $30,000 car is more like a fully equipped Honda Accord. A BMW 1 series starts around $35,000. The 3 series is into the $40,000s if you want luxury features like a folding rear seat.
 
Actual numbers? From who? Certainly not Apple.

LOL you are so right... actual numbers? It's a guess based only from Slice users. I believe it is probably true with a plus/minus accuracy in the range of 10-25%. I am sure the sales have dried up to some degree. I love it how people now say Slice is actual numbers when just a month or so ago when Slice said sales were about 2mm the same people were saying Slice is worthless information and completely guessing.
 
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explain it.

what's logical about a bracelet with a technology? you'd need a battery to power it and recharging cycles. But what would the functionality be? In other words what functionality would it have over a smartphone.

As smartphones have gotten bigger, they have also become less convenient. I think if the Sport gets GPS runners will buy it. People don't like to do their morning runs with their phones anymore. The technology isn't quite there but will be soon. The LG Urbane and Samsung Gear S are about 75% there, but the watches are too big for many people.

Accessories by definition don't replace anything, but they do complement other things. These devices don't need to do much, if anything that the phone can't, except for the health and fitness functions. Women are going to be wearing bracelets for a long time. If those bracelets can be functional and aesthetically pleasing, they can serve a purpose. It doesn't make commercial sense yet for Apple or anyone else to make a whole line of "smart" bracelets, watches, necklaces, etc. but that day could come.

Remember, it's only over the last 15 years or so that watches in general fell out of favor, and they still are big sellers in absolute terms. Go to any shopping mall and there are lots of stores selling watches. $350-$1100 is at the high end of the mall watch category, but certainly not unreasonable.
 
LOL you are so right... actual numbers? It's a guess based only from Slice users. I believe it is probably true with a plus/minus accuracy in the range of 10-25%. I am sure the sales have dried up to some degree. I love it how people now say Slice is actual numbers when just a month or so ago when Slice said sales were about 2mm the same people were saying Slice is worthless information and completely guessing.
Well I said it then and I'm still saying it now. And I say the same with IDC and any other analytics firm that doesn't have access to actual sales data. Like Rene Ritchie said:

There's no other context provided, so there's no way of knowing how much of the data sampled was U.S. vs. global, for example. Also, the Apple Watch recently went on sale at retail, so how are sales that don't include email accounted for? And what kind of representative sample are "people who let us read their email receipts"? Do they skew towards early adoption? Late adoption? Low end? High end? None of that—crucially important—information is presented.
 
Is Wall Street hammering on Google left right and center to produce the next big thing? Apple is under a helluva lot more pressure than Google to crank out the next hit. Don't forget in 2013 and even early 2014 some were calling for the board to replace Tim Cook. In fact one reporter from Fox Business claimed that the board was pressuring Cook to innovate more. I'm sure it was BS but it was out there. Apple has hired a lot of people with medical backgrounds and from the medical devices space. They didn't all get fired after Watch launched. I'm sure Apple is still working on a lot of that stuff. And just because it's a medical device doesn't mean it had to be fugly cheap plastic. As far as waiting until there was a truly revolutionary product what was iPad other than Steve wanting to be able to read email while he was sitting on the toilet. And since you brought up Google I give you Google Glass.
The one indicative thing about the medical aspects of the watch will be FDA filings. If Apple wants to have some sort of anonymity in the filings, they need to have shell companies, or other companies that do the work for them.
 
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