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Series 5 has been on sale everywhere for $299 for a couple of weeks now. I’m sure people are picking them up.

only in u.s. wish they also do it here in canada. i wanted to buy it for fathers day.. bestbuy & apple canada still the same price $569 plus tax for series 5 44m.. still waiting to go on sale...
 
According to this report, AW market share dropped from 46.7% to 36.3% in one year. I wonder what's the reason for that. If the trend continues, AW will quickly go down to the customary for Apple 13% market share.
 
Still a disposable watch as no way to replace battery.
Some years of use and it becomes a piece of trash.

I've owned a lot of Apple products over the years. I've never had to replace a battery in any of them. Why do people complain about this? Is this really a thing?

BTW, most tech products become outdated after "some years of use." It's part of the way things work in technology and always has. If it bothers you, you probably shouldn't be buying any tech gadgets or computers.

Good example: I still have my iPad 2 that I bought in April of 2011 and its battery charges and holds power just fine to this day.
 
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I've owned a lot of Apple products over the years. I've never had to replace a battery in any of them. Why do people complain about this? Is this really a thing?

BTW, most tech products become outdated after "some years of use." It's part of the way things work in technology and always has. If it bothers you, you probably shouldn't be buying any tech gadgets or computers.

Good example: I still have my iPad 2 that I bought in April of 2011 and its battery charges and holds power just fine to this day.

I’ve had several MacBooks that have had swelling batteries and needed to have them replaced. No big deal.
 
I've owned a lot of Apple products over the years. I've never had to replace a battery in any of them. Why do people complain about this? Is this really a thing?

BTW, most tech products become outdated after "some years of use." It's part of the way things work in technology and always has. If it bothers you, you probably shouldn't be buying any tech gadgets or computers.

Good example: I still have my iPad 2 that I bought in April of 2011 and its battery charges and holds power just fine to this day.
Not even three years old this iPhone X. It’s been telling me for two months it needs a new battery.

my MacBook Pro 2017 also needed a new battery last summer.

They degrade quickly. Maybe you upgrade your devices faster than a normal user.
 

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Yep, another Apple failure, totally doomed, nobody will buy it.
He crows in sarcastic triumph, ignore the stark cold numbers that show Apples annual growth decline by 13%, whilst the entire market annual growth increases by 12%.
 
The Apple Watch is a chubby, chubby thing, and sits so high on the wrist. It's a remarkably unattractive and clunky looking device.

It’s not as thick as some of the “real watches” out there - my Omega Speedmaster is even thicker and bigger. I never found AW too big, but won’t complain once they make it thinner.
 
Not even three years old this iPhone X. It’s been telling me for two months it needs a new battery.

my MacBook Pro 2017 also needed a new battery last summer.

They degrade quickly. Maybe you upgrade your devices faster than a normal user.

Maybe you’re unlucky, my dad is still using my non-Retina MBP13 and the battery is decent (as decent as you’d expect after this time, especially since I have absolutely no charging etiquette, sometimes I leave my devices plugged in for days, sometimes I they discharge completely, usually not, I don’t follow any battery rules at all).

My old iPad (the first Air, I believe, it’s at least 6 years old) still works great, so did my iPhone 5 that I recently managed to finally kill with water damage (it was used as a sort of smart remote for the AC and lights, always laying around somewhere in the bedroom).
 
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Rather remarkable that Apple still hasn't managed to make this any thinner, given their obsession with all things slender. The Apple Watch is a chubby, chubby thing, and sits so high on the wrist. It's a remarkably unattractive and clunky looking device.
It's chubby as a watch but quite thin as a computer. One must compromise to have a computer on your wrist.
 
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He crows in sarcastic triumph, ignore the stark cold numbers that show Apples annual growth decline by 13%, whilst the entire market annual growth increases by 12%.
He crows in sarcastic triumph, ignoring that nobody, including this analyst, actually knows what Apple’s Apple Watch shipments are, and this particular analyst has been wrong many times in the past.
 
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It’s not as thick as some of the “real watches” out there - my Omega Speedmaster is even thicker and bigger. I never found AW too big, but won’t complain once they make it thinner.

It’s a common misconception to compare an Apple Watch To a mechanical watch. What I would compare it to, is if you look at Samsung Gear watch for example or even the Garmin Fenix Series, There essentially {larger, thicker and heavier} over the Apple Watch. The Apple Watch is actually relatively small when you start looking at the competition, and it’s not even really that heavy with the 7000 series aluminum for the entry level Apple Watch.

Apple actually increased the battery thickness I believe starting with the Series 4, but the change in order for the thickness for the Apple Watch to reduce, has to start with the displays transitioning over to Micro- LED, which will create less power draw, thus resulting in a smaller lithium ion battery.
 
Lots of people have had their batteries replaced by apple. There are countless threads talking about it.
Duly noted. I was not saying otherwise. My contention, verbatim from my first post, is that by the time the battery needs servicing, the watch may be on Apple's vintage or obsolete list, nixing any hardware service. I would hope this isn't the case, but we'll have to wait and see.

Please don't take this as a personal attack (because it's not), but I find it troublesome when responses to my or other's posts either deliberately misunderstand or simply fail to comprehend what is being said, with a one or two line rebuttal that does not actually address the point(s) at hand. How can constructive discussion take place when people are simply talking past each other?
 


Apple Watch continued to lead the smartwatch industry with an estimated 5.2 million shipments worldwide in the first quarter of 2020, well ahead of Huawei, Samsung, Fitbit, and others, according to research firm Canalys.

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Canalys said the Apple Watch did see slow performance in North America and Europe during the quarter, however, which it attributes to Apple customers "switching their attention to AirPods as a 'must-have' accessory." Apple's market share declined to an estimated 36.3 percent for the quarter, down from 46.7 percent in the year-ago quarter.

Huawei trailed in second place with an estimated 2.1 million shipments and 14.9 percent market share for the quarter, followed by Samsung with an estimated 1.8 million shipments and 12.4 percent market share.

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Canalys expects lifetime Apple Watch shipments to reach 100 million units within the next few months, five years after the device launched.

Apple does not provide a breakdown of Apple Watch sales in its earnings reports, so take these estimated figures with a proverbial grain of salt. Apple's "Wearables, Home and Accessories" category did set a new all-time revenue record of $6.3 billion last quarter, including sales of the Apple Watch, AirPods, Beats products, Apple TV, HomePod, iPod touch, and both Apple-branded and third-party accessories.

Article Link: Apple Watch Estimated to Reach 100 Million Lifetime Shipments Soon Despite Weaker Demand Last Quarter
I love my Apoo watch.
 
Duly noted. I was not saying otherwise. My contention, verbatim from my first post, is that by the time the battery needs servicing, the watch may be on Apple's vintage or obsolete list, nixing any hardware service. I would hope this isn't the case, but we'll have to wait and see.

Please don't take this as a personal attack (because it's not), but I find it troublesome when responses to my or other's posts either deliberately misunderstand or simply fail to comprehend what is being said, with a one or two line rebuttal that does not actually address the point(s) at hand. How can constructive discussion take place when people are simply talking past each other?

i am reacting to exactly what you wrote. You are speculating that by the time the battery needs servicing it may be declared vintage or obsolete and thus no battery replacement can happen. My point is that this must not be the case, because so many apple watches have had their batteries replaced (thus they were not on apple’s vintage or obsolete list).

I was providing evidence that your thesis is wrong. You seem to be the one deliberately misunderstanding.
 
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Rather remarkable that Apple still hasn't managed to make this any thinner, given their obsession with all things slender. The Apple Watch is a chubby, chubby thing, and sits so high on the wrist. It's a remarkably unattractive and clunky looking device.

Watches aren’t really known to be thin , just the opposite (except female watches)
 
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Rather remarkable that Apple still hasn't managed to make this any thinner, given their obsession with all things slender. The Apple Watch is a chubby, chubby thing, and sits so high on the wrist. It's a remarkably unattractive and clunky looking device.
Good thing you're not a fan of actual mechanical watches -- the Apple Watch is pretty average in comparison.

I think Apple probably decided this was a good form factor that balances wearability, performance, and battery life, and they could stick to a while, allowing them to keep improving these specifications for a good while (vs. slimming it down over the same period, and being much more limited with regard to performance and battery life upgrades).
 
Why do you think that Apple Watch is the best? For example, Samsung phones have all the same features as AW and then some. They also have much better battery life. AW seems to be more popular but it does not necessarily means it is better. Personally, i am still skeptical about the usefulness of all smart watches. The only unquestionably useful functionality in them is the fitness part but then dedicated fitness watches might be better for that. I see quite a few people now wearing smart watches (AWs in particular). I have yet to see anyone actually using them in a meaningful way.
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Smart watches general regardless of the shape are very bad devices for presenting information. Smart phones are way better for that and in most cases (fitness exercises might be the only notable exception) people have the phones with them. When having both devices, preferring to use a smart watch over a smartphone seems like an exercise in masochism to me.

I’ve always wondered how AW tends to have worse battery life than other smartwatches. It’s always puzzled me. Apple control the HW & SW, yet devices like Samsung Galaxy watches or FitBits have greater battery life.

iPhones tend to have worse battery life compared to other smartphones too. Not just in terms of how long they last during the day (although, the iPhone 11 series has the best battery life of any smartphone according to YouTube), but in how long they last over the years. I bought my iPhone X off eBay & within a year I replaced the battery, and already the battery health is at 93% when it’s not even been 12 months since that replacement.

Genuine question: am I doing something wrong?
 
I’ve always wondered how AW tends to have worse battery life than other smartwatches. It’s always puzzled me. Apple control the HW & SW, yet devices like Samsung Galaxy watches or FitBits have greater battery life.

iPhones tend to have worse battery life compared to other smartphones too. Not just in terms of how long they last during the day (although, the iPhone 11 series has the best battery life of any smartphone according to YouTube), but in how long they last over the years. I bought my iPhone X off eBay & within a year I replaced the battery, and already the battery health is at 93% when it’s not even been 12 months since that replacement.

Genuine question: am I doing something wrong?

Yes, apparently. https://www.androidauthority.com/android-battery-life-2020-1064462/

Also, I’ve never had am iPhone battery health fall below 95% within 24 months. Typically I give my phone to my kid after one year, and it’s still at 99 or 100%, and then she abuses it for a year and it brings it down to 96 or 97% by the end of the second year.
 
Also, I’ve never had am iPhone battery health fall below 95% within 24 months. Typically I give my phone to my kid after one year, and it’s still at 99 or 100%, and then she abuses it for a year and it brings it down to 96 or 97% by the end of the second year.

Everybody's use case is different. Some people use their phone more than others. I use mine to tether my work computer to the internet 5 days a week (amount of hours depends on the day). It's now sitting at 91% after 18 months. I will probably get the battery replaced once it hits 85/6 percent. I doubt that'll be within the AppleCare range though... hang on, do I get a cheap battery replacement with AppleCare plus??? I will have to check.

As for Apple Watch. I have a series 3 and my battery is down to around 50 percent end of normal day. That used to be around 75-80 percent so I've lost about ¼ of the battery in 2 and a quarter years. Not horrible.

I'm guessing that the Watch series 6 won't be a major change and the big change will be the series 7. Pity. I also think sales could be down due to so many people losing their jobs or wanting to save as the watch isn't an item that most people need even though it's quite useful.
 
In my case it wasn’t just the battery, the whole thing died. At 13 months.

Yes, it’s a $500 disposable watch.

i know exactly how pisses you are. Luckily my S0 still work nicely today. (or tonight since I mostly use it for sleep tracking)
 
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I have yet to jump in the Apple Watch world. I’ve checked them out and liked what they can do, but to me the biggest reason I don’t get one is design. Why hasn’t Apple come up with a round version yet? The design language of the watch is fine as it is, but the square shape makes it bulky at least in my eyes (same reason I never got a square mechanical watch). For something marketed as a fashion accessory, they should give consumers more options other than screen size (and no, more watch bands won’t cut it!!). Until then I’ll stick with my mechanical watches and cross my fingers Apple eventually releases a round Apple Watch!
 
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According to this report, AW market share dropped from 46.7% to 36.3% in one year. I wonder what's the reason for that. If the trend continues, AW will quickly go down to the customary for Apple 13% market share.

It's kind of normal I think. The Apple Watch was pretty much the only serious player for years. Android Wear has been nearly abandoned by Google.

But now Samsung is pushing hard with multiple new models each year and putting effort into Tizen. Also, Apple Watches are not an option for the majority of smartphone users and they will be using Android.

So for this to fall is normal as other brand smartwatches take up position in the market.
 
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