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What he's saying is "why can't i use my apple watch with an ipad?"

The answer of course is simple: there's no health app on an ipad. Which leads to the next question: why no health app on an ipad?

From an implementation point of view the ipad is just as secure as an iphone, since it can do apple pay...but maybe apple pay for web isn't enough?
Why isnt the health app on the Mac or online yet? Why is this lagging so hard?
 
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Great; hopefully I don't need to carry my phone around anymore for days at a time.
Well, maybe not really it depends (always does huh) on your usage and workflow. When I purchased AW3 with cellular I was excited not having to carry my iPhone. One day two problems appeared, I had need to scan a document right then and there, but without the iPhone I could not do that, second there was an immediate need for a photo. Notice both issues resulted with the camera. Another time there was a requirement to send someone pertinent information. Yep, it was on my iOS devices, actually iCloud, could not retrieve it from the AW3. Yet, another time someone was in need of information that was in my database, TapForms, on my iOS devices, thus with my AW3 only it could not be sent. The requester was not pleased, but understood my situation. From those events I choose always carry my iPhone and AW3; on the AW3 cancelled cellular.

YMMV
 
The watch is not enough...but it let me move from an iphone 7 to an se. The bigger screen on the phone doesn't matter; if i need a big screen i'll bring my IPP or MBP.

I wonder how many variations on this there are now.
 
The more self contained, the more it starts reaching a broader non iphone audience. It’s looking more and likely the watch can eventually be paired with Android phones for notifications.

I can see a stand alone version, but I am still not convinced that there will be a version to use with Android phones.


Yeah it would broaden the customer base tenfold. Sales, as good as they are, would skyrocket.

Nope. Android is under or around 50% of the market in the U.S., the U.K., Australia, Sweden, Japan, Ireland, Canada, and a few other countries. In those markets, opening the Apple Watch would add, at best, a market that is twice as big. However, many or most of those users, are buying inexpensive Android phones would not not be potential Apple Watch customers. In the rest of the world the potential Android Apple Watch customers are an even smaller percentage of the total Android market. That would result in at best a 25% - 50% potential market size increase, and a much smaller actual sales increase.
 
I can see a stand alone version, but I am still not convinced that there will be a version to use with Android phones.




Nope. Android is under or around 50% of the market in the U.S., the U.K., Australia, Sweden, Japan, Ireland, Canada, and a few other countries. In those markets, opening the Apple Watch would add, at best, a market that is twice as big. However, many or most of those users, are buying inexpensive Android phones would not not be potential Apple Watch customers. In the rest of the world the potential Android Apple Watch customers are an even smaller percentage of the total Android market. That would result in at best a 25% - 50% potential market size increase, and a much smaller actual sales increase.

If Apple had opened the watch platform to Android users, they would have killed LG ad Samsung wearables.
They are a lot of people that would buy Apple Watch instead of the LG or Samsung.
The Apple Watch could have a halo effect on those that have the watch and not the iPhone.
Leave out a couple of extra features that they can only get with an iPhone.

Anyway, I really like my LG Watch Sport that has an App Store and doesn't need a phone to update.
It also has LTE.
 
I hope the day comes, when the Watch can download an update directly, and not have to be on the charger to install. :rolleyes:
I would wish for the same thing but it’s less safe this way. If your battery is low health and it drops rapidly from installation it could run flat and the watch will be bricked.
Due to the small size of the battery in the watch that’s my assumption why Apple requires it to be 50% charged and connected
 
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That would be good news but highly doubt that will happen. Apple is all about keeping you in a total Apple ecosystem. Can't see them letting you use an apple watch with Android. Like ever.
Couldn't see them letting you use an iPod with a PC either. And then it happened and vastly increased sales.
 
I reckon Series 5 will be iPhone independent, there’s not really any good android smartwatch out there anyway, they can just own the whole thing.
 
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For some time, people have said that Apple will never do this, because tying the watch to the phone was a way to sell more phones. Others have claimed that Apple will never release the watch to Android because of this tie, which includes(d) security ties.

But what I see happening is that it’s quite possible that in September, in conjunction with the new iPhone, Watch and possibly iPad releases, Apple will stun everyone saying that in order to get the advanced health benefits to the widest range of people, the Watch will be available to those not having an iPhone.

Everything they’ve been doing over the past year, and with WatchOS 6 points in that direction. It makes a lot of sense.
Kind of like iPod story, when they released iTunes for windows & changed firework to USB.
Watch sales will improve.
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What he's saying is "why can't i use my apple watch with an ipad?"

The answer of course is simple: there's no health app on an ipad. Which leads to the next question: why no health app on an ipad?

From an implementation point of view the ipad is just as secure as an iphone, since it can do apple pay...but maybe apple pay for web isn't enough?

Because Apple wants Watch to be an independent device so it doesn't make sense to spend resources on adding this functionality to an iPad.
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Very different. Those are services that that constantly make money not hardware.

Yes I know Airpods can be used with Android devices but are also limited in functionality and don't involve an operating system which is the key to why you won't see Apple Watch Android compatibility. People are also not deciding on buying an iPhone over an Android phone based on wireless earbuds. A smart watch is a different story.

I mean I'd love it because I would like to have the option of using an Android phone and an Apple Watch which is exactly why Apple would never do it. The iphone is their #1 cash cow and risking lost sales so they could sell a few more apple watches? Not gonna happen.
If Watch can be updated over the air and it has its own App Store then it is independent of iPhone, except notifications, so looks like Apple doesn't want to tie iPhone to Apple Watch.
 
For some time, people have said that Apple will never do this, because tying the watch to the phone was a way to sell more phones. Others have claimed that Apple will never release the watch to Android because of this tie, which includes(d) security ties.

But what I see happening is that it’s quite possible that in September, in conjunction with the new iPhone, Watch and possibly iPad releases, Apple will stun everyone saying that in order to get the advanced health benefits to the widest range of people, the Watch will be available to those not having an iPhone.

Everything they’ve been doing over the past year, and with WatchOS 6 points in that direction. It makes a lot of sense.

Agreed. That’s clearly where they are going and it just so happens to be true. The ECG feature and high / low heart rate notification features are life savers.

I got a high heart rate notification and started looking at my heart rate data, did some reading about what’s normal and healthy and immediately went to see my doctor. I let him review my heart rate history in the Health app and sure enough it was way too high. He put me on a beta blocker immediately and I’m tracking my blood pressure twice a day because it was way too high the day I saw him as well.

I can’t say for sure that it saved my life but I wouldn’t have seen my doctor for another 6 months for a regular visit without that notification and had my readings somehow been normal on that day at that time we might not have caught it.

So is the Apple Watch expensive? Yeah it is. At least for me it also proved to be worth every penny I paid for the Series 1 that lead me to but the Series 4 that might have either saved my life or caught something that might haven taken years off of my life span if it hadn’t been caught early.
 
I’ve always thought that perhaps they can use all the R&D and economy of scale of the components and create a Beats watch as the alternative cross platform sports watch and keep the Apple Watch as a Apple device. The Beats watch could have its own kind of aesthetic to better fit that demographic.
 
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Gotcha. Makes sense when its stand alone and if everything pushes seamlessly on your android device, but then you need to have the cellular version which adds another monthly fee at this moment in Canada at least which personally doesn't interest me. I guess one could just keep an old iphone around to install the apps on the cellular version as well.

Not sure you could take phone calls on the Apple watch in this situation though?

There are still some changes that have to happen on the side of the provider. Right now, text messages and calls are relayed by the iPhone. But with Apple attempting to make the Watch independent from the phone, I can see them building a phone number mirroring function into the Watch or pressuring providers to adopt full eSIM functionality that can allow 2 devices with the same number in which case the Watch would receive calls and SMS simultaneously with whichever phone has the second SIM.

I can see the cellular Watch becoming standard. The component is cheap and with Apple wanting to make the Watch the successor to the iPhone, a cellular radio is just as critical to the Watch as having one in an iPhone.

The Apple Watch plan is $5 bucks a month and comes with 2GB. I spend $5 on far more useless things.
 
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I would wish for the same thing but it’s less safe this way. If your battery is low health and it drops rapidly from installation it could run flat and the watch will be bricked.
Due to the small size of the battery in the watch that’s my assumption why Apple requires it to be 50% charged and connected
I should have the choice. I’m fine with the battery needing at least 50% charge to install.
 
Hopefully the day where the Apple Watch is a stand alone device is not too far away! :)
Yes - Actually was talking with other family members about that just last week, but wonder whether Apple will maintain the necessity of iPhone for nothing other than making sure you buy two of their products.
 
There always should be room for de-coupling.

When Netflix comes to :apple:Watch, let me know. That's when the brain cells will pay attention.
 
This is a step in the right direction.

I've always seen Apple Watch as an extension of the iPhone but it would be great for it to be standalone.

I have a lot of Android customers wanting to purchase Apple Watch but currently they are unable to.

Sales will absolutely increase. This is a no brainier.

It reminds me of when the iPod was first launched. It was Mac only initially.

Lots of customers (including myself) where gutted that we couldn't purchase one.

I was so happy when they finally made it available to Windows users.

Everything from the packaging to the build quality of the iPod (heck even iTunes) was top class.

I eventually purchased my first Mac shortly after because of the iPod!

Anyway, I'm currently unable to purchase the current AW as it isn't compatible with my iPhone 5...
 
Great news, current update mechanism is slow as hell compared to iOS updates.
There is a working workaround to greatly speed up this process. The key is to disable BT before Apple Watch is downloading updates. As long as both iPhone and Apple Watch are connecting to the same wifi, the update speed will be much faster.
I just want to fix the bug that stops my full playlist from going to the watch despite 8 Gigs of open space
This bugged me during the entire iOS 11 and iOS 12 period. Now in iOS 13, this issue seems to be solved. Or, maybe the router I am using now is far better than previous crappy ones.
 
Yes, Apple Watch is getting standalone. The next thing is to allow setup of Apple Watch without an iPhone.
Remember in the early days I had to connect my iPhone or iPod to my computer to set it up, install software updates, and sync media.
 
apple watch ... the one device which shows everything which is wrong at apple.
complete overpriced e-waste fail at the start.
macuser community gave them the glue to improve it.
tim hollywood positions it as health device against my advice.
watch still only works with iphone-e-waste-overpriced-crap.
still no design solution for integraded earpods
still no 1 week battery life
still no sole product and phone replacement!!!
 
apple watch ... the one device which shows everything which is wrong at apple.
complete overpriced e-waste fail at the start.
macuser community gave them the glue to improve it.
tim hollywood positions it as health device against my advice.
watch still only works with iphone-e-waste-overpriced-crap.
still no design solution for integraded earpods
still no 1 week battery life
still no sole product and phone replacement!!!

If only Tim had listened to you! What was he thinking?
 
What he's saying is "why can't i use my apple watch with an ipad?"

The answer of course is simple: there's no health app on an ipad. Which leads to the next question: why no health app on an ipad?

From an implementation point of view the ipad is just as secure as an iphone, since it can do apple pay...but maybe apple pay for web isn't enough?

Perhaps the margin on iphones is higher - and Ipad's are being deliberately sold at a lower cost. After all, an Ipad with a built--in 4G modem comes with a bigger screen than an Iphone - and the screen is one of the most expensive items on the bill of materials.

Anyway none of this is a suprise. I have said long ago that the Apple Watch is the new "iphone", but Apple is doing this through a deliberately slow-and-steady process of building and expanding the capabilities of the device, even though many more things were actually possible already on version 1, as evidenced by the Samsung Gear S of many years ago now.
 
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