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...I want to use this at the gym for music and don't want to carry my 6 Plus. However, what's Bluetooth 4.0's distance range? Wondering if I can leave it in my car.......

300 feet, although you won't need your phone if you stick the music on the watch (with that 2GB of storage) and use bluetooth headphones.
 
The fact that this information trickles out now highlights just how bad yesterday's keynote was. They showed a Mickey moues clock face at least 3 times, but omitted key information. Both Tim and the incredibly boring guy (forgot his name) stumbled mid sentence quite a few times. Were they just totally unprepared for this keynote or did they just deflate and lack enthusiasm?
 
It's workable, but the question for me is what options you'll have for selecting that subset. When the shuffle first came out Apple added all kinds of auto-sync options to iTunes. You could have it completely refresh your library every time you plugged it in, and even set up smart playlists so you get all your least-recently-played songs loaded up or whatever. What options are they giving us for the Watch?

All good points, but I don't think the watch is going to be your go-to iPod. I don't think the Watch is supposed to be the substitute for it. Storing music, IMO, is just an extra feature, without which would not be a deal breaker for many.
 
For starters, there is not room for a headphone jack on the Watch. Second, a headphone jack would not work on a watch that needs to be very water resistant. And most importantly, why would Apple design something that requires a cord from your wrist to your ears?

I don't understand the complaints on here about the watch using Bluetooth headphones. It's glaringly obvious to me why it uses Bluetooth.

Bryan

Does not mean Apple got it right. I think it's a mistake not to have some way to used wired headphones with this. Even if you have an magnetic adapter that adds a headphone port. Anyway, I dunno, it's a missed opportunity.
 
Yeah, not good. Not really any decent bluetooth headphones around yet.

I got a deal on a brand new pair of solo2 wireless. they were a steal at $180 unopened from a friend who needed cash. Never been a fan of anything beats because I can appreciate good clean sound. I use paradigm studio's in my home theater so I hear good sound on a regular basis. Bur I was shocked at good they sound for 1. Being beats & 2. Being wireless. I'm far from an audiophile but these sound great to me. Maybe slightly heavy on the low end, but more then acceptable.
 
It blows my mind that the $350 version and the $17K version have the exact same tech specs. I realize the price is directly related to the fashion factor. It's just weird to see a gadget that does the same exact job across the board regardless of price, aside from the screen size which is a surprisingly modest price increase.

Shows you right there that Apple lost touch with the common folks. For them to charge up to $17,000 on a watch that has the same guts as a $350 watch tells you something about the direction Apple is heading in. And the sad part is that the circuitry might cost under $150 to make. It’s high-tech highway robbery. They know that some rich sucker is willing to pay that insane amount of money and their only capitalizing on it.
But really; if I’m a high roller with tons of money in the first place I would buy the cheap model and just have a custom case made to my specifications with straps to match. It would be even more limited to the limited edition and could end up undercutting Apple prices (unless they add diamonds).
Or if you want to impress someone I would just buy a gold shell knock off. It was confirmed by theverge/engadget that the watches feel no different from one another. Let’s see if it’s easy for iFixit to crack it open.
 
Show me a reasonably priced and actually good pair of bluetooth headphones and I will agree with you. The tech is not there yet to actually make good ones.
As someone else asked, what are your requirements? Without knowing how you define "actually good", these sentiments mean nothing. Head over to headphones-dot-com and search away. If you do fancy yourself an portable device audiophile, headphones, wired or not, are probably not enough to qualify as "actually good" unless you add a good amp and DAC to the equation. Heck, most wired in-ear headphones are not "actually good" until you get into the three digit range. But if you're active and moving about, even a modest set of blue tooth head phones provide a great experience when you factor in the freedom of motion that you gain.

I can't wait to leave my phone in the bag while riding and be able to listen to music or check messages with just a flick of the wrist.
 
The fact that this information trickles out now highlights just how bad yesterday's keynote was. They showed a Mickey moues clock face at least 3 times, but omitted key information. Both Tim and the incredibly boring guy (forgot his name) stumbled mid sentence quite a few times. Were they just totally unprepared for this keynote or did they just deflate and lack enthusiasm?

But, but, but it has Mickey mouse as the watch face. That will sell a thousand units by itself.
 
All good points, but I don't think the watch is going to be your go-to iPod. I don't think the Watch is supposed to be the substitute for it. Storing music, IMO, is just an extra feature, without which would not be a deal breaker for many.

Believe me, given how little attention it's getting, that is a concern. But if they're marketing it as a go-to fitness device, it should really at least share all the software features of an iPod (their previous go-to fitness device). And library management is entirely dictated by software. I'm holding out hope.
 
The new :apple: watch is a perfect answer to the question absolutely no one asked*.


*Unless someone really wanted to know how to look like a brand whore and gain zero functionality from it.

Wake me when they reanimate Jobs. This is crap.
 
Does not mean Apple got it right. I think it's a mistake not to have some way to used wired headphones with this. Even if you have an magnetic adapter that adds a headphone port. Anyway, I dunno, it's a missed opportunity.

A newly designed magnetic adaptor is a neat idea, but honestly, with maybe the exception of wearing a long sleeve shirt, I'm genuinely interested in hearing how many people are really interested in having a 3.5 - 4 ft headphone cable running from their ears to their wrist? And in what situations would it not get in the way.

Bryan
 
It blows my mind that the $350 version and the $17K version have the exact same tech specs. I realize the price is directly related to the fashion factor. It's just weird to see a gadget that does the same exact job across the board regardless of price, aside from the screen size which is a surprisingly modest price increase.

If the apple watch is going to be a success it needs to appeal to the mass audience and not just the odd person that is fortunate enough to be able to splash out 17k for a watch. Apple won't do themselves any favours by giving the best/superior specs to only the 17k watches, they will lose competitive advantage if they do that.
 
Why would someone take an iPhone on their run?

(pretty much the only use-case I can think of for this feature)

I guess some people work in places that don't allow devices with cameras, they'd benefit from this.

I run marathons. I take my iPhone with me.
 
It blows my mind that the $350 version and the $17K version have the exact same tech specs. I realize the price is directly related to the fashion factor. It's just weird to see a gadget that does the same exact job across the board regardless of price, aside from the screen size which is a surprisingly modest price increase.

Its all about material$$$
The thing thats currently holding me off buying the watch is not only outrageous pricing but also the upgrading sequence route Apple is going to take. People are already talking about a refreshment every year but Im not that sure about it. Why paying 1k for a watch thats already outdated after a year?
 
If both your 6 plus and your watch are on the same wifi network, then the phone/watch work using wifi, not bluetooth, and it will work. Maybe park your car nearest to the building and you'll be in wifi range?

If the gym doesn't have wifi, then you only get 100-300 feet on bluetooth.

Thanks!
 
The main use-case for most runners is to bring their phone/ipod to listen to music. That's it! Nothing more! The watch does EXACTLY this, and replaces the phone in a more compact, easier to use way.

That's not my impression. I don't know if I know any other runners who don't track their runs if they are carrying a phone. Once this watch integrates GPS, it will be killer. It will be a nice perk now, but I hate carrying my phone when running, so I need the gps.

I wonder how long till someone comes out with fitness gear/shorts to put your phone in your shorts securely without even noticing it so you don't have to use an arm band anymore. Also you could still run without your phone and get an accurate measure of distance due to apps like Runkeeper letting you custom draw out your running/biking route on their website. I have been doing this lately because wahoo fitness app (great app that sends data to almost all other fitness apps) has been buggy on my phone and not recording GPS route.

Plenty of clothes like that already. Most clothes, it seems have at least one pocket that is iPhone sized and shaped. Depending on how well its designed dictates how noticeable the phone is.
 
Amidst all of the whining and complaints, I would like to thank Apple for having the courage to engineer and design new products that might possibly redefine how we interact and communicate with the world. The exact same negativity was expressed here when Apple introduced the idea of an iPhone. The iPhone was a concept that was largely criticized and people proclaimed that it was a worthless idea, yet it ushered in a new era. Just look at where we're at today.

Thank you Apple for continuing to push the boundaries and redefine how we communicate in the Information Age.

Bryan
 
Plenty of people have their phone on them when they run, for numerous practical reasons, chiefly safety. e.g. I use Spotify so I need my phone for my music, and I live in central London so I generally run from home base to somewhere to do something (lunch, shopping, meeting friends for a drink etc.) and Tube it home, so I want my phone on me when I get to where I'm going. The Apple Watch will replace my Garmin, I can see it already.

If you're in the gym then you probably want as little clutter on you as possible and might only want some tunes and the accelerometer in the device, to use with the workouts app. A watch plus some bluetooth headphones would be perfect, even better than the Shuffle, which is the best gym device currently.

Obviously the watch will be useful for some people but for most we will still need to carry our iPhone. When you go to your gym do you go without a phone?
 
That's not my impression. I don't know if I know any other runners who don't track their runs if they are carrying a phone. Once this watch integrates GPS, it will be killer. It will be a nice perk now, but I hate carrying my phone when running, so I need the gps.



Plenty of clothes like that already. Most clothes, it seems have at least one pocket that is iPhone sized and shaped. Depending on how well its designed dictates how noticeable the phone is.

Exactly, that's the only thing missing for me, the GPS. That's what I need when I go running to track my performance! Without GPS the watch is pretty much useless. It feels like when they released the first iPhone without 3G or the first iPad.
 
Why would someone take an iPhone on their run?

(pretty much the only use-case I can think of for this feature)

I guess some people work in places that don't allow devices with cameras, they'd benefit from this.

Because we take our phones with us everywhere anyway.
 
Then buy a shuffle, which has more space, battery life and isn't super expensive.

Errr... but then you can't use all of the other things the Apple Watch can do when it's connected to the phone. The watch isn't intended to bemused separately most of the time, but for jogs and other moments away from your phone it's not useless.
 
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