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That's funny. Leisurely reading articles about mechanical watches. Heck even if Watch Week was the only magazine left in my doctor's office, I'd still just read conventional news sites on my phone to pass the time.
That is due to the death of the general newspaper. Unless you throw away whole sections (as I do with the sport section), you at least browse through them. Whether it is the technology section, the lifestyle or the business section, at some point you will come across an article about mechanical watches or the mechanical watch industry. And if you have some curiosity you will eventually at least skim an article to see what makes them so expensive, what differentiates them, what the timeline of the technology was. And that is the moment when you will read the term complication.
 
To conserve battery life? You will not always be around a charger so it'll be nice to know how it fares with everything turned off. So you can still check the time when your phone runs out of juice.

Considering that a Ipod Nano, the size of the largest watch, lasts a hell of a long time on stand buy, I,d expect 1 week minimum used a a watch. But, I doubt you'd use it just for that.
 
Glorified fitness watch. No thanks.

Perhaps at launch but it'll be interesting to see what 3rd party developers can come up with. I'll probably pass on the first release and maybe even the second but by the time the 3rd and 4th generations of the device comes out there might be something very worthwhile there after some of the inevitable issues are worked out in both the hardware / OS and after developers have had some time to come up with interesting apps.

I do like the idea of being able to get certain notifications on the watch and being able to reply to iMessages, etc. when I don't have my phone in my hands. Being able to quickly see certain kinds of information is appealing (appointments, information about certain contacts, directions when driving, walking somewhere, etc) but it's got to be done right with the right mix of UI, hardware and 3rd party apps to make it worth the cost.

Either way I think having Apple involved in wearables is going to be a good thing for consumers in the long run even if the Apple Watch doesn't initially live up to the hype. The more competition the better for consumers. It drives everybody to up their game.

When you look at the evolution of the iPod / iPhone / iPad / Apple TV by the time the later generations of those devices rolled around the differences between the initial device and those generations were wide enough to peak my interests. I didn't get an iPod until the 3rd or 4th generation. There wasn't enough there initially to make me want to buy the iPod when it first debuted but by the time the iTunes Store was rolled out and iTunes as well as the hardware and software on the device had gone through some refinements it became something I thought was well worth the money. Going from the original iPhone to the 3GS was like night and day for me. The iPhone was revolutionary enough to sell me on the first generation of the device but the differences between the first iPhone and the 3GS were major enough to make the upgrade worth it and I didn't upgrade again until the 5 was released. Same with going from the iPad 2, which I sold after about 6th months of use, to the iPad Air. For me the Air was and is the perfect tablet whereas the iPad 2 was still a bit too bulky for my tastes when that came out. I didn't buy or even really consider the Apple TV until the 3rd generation. The functionality and $99 dollar price point finally made that a worthwhile purchase.

So while I tend to agree that the first generation of the Apple Watch may not be all that appealing I'm hopeful that by the 3rd and 4th generations there may be enough there to make that a worthwhile purchase as well. We'll see.
 
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Huh? Wouldn't that be something like Microsoft Band?

Yes, or Fitbit, or Pebble. So let me ask you, in addition to your smartphone, are you ready to pony up $350 for a gadget that will be obsoleted in 2 years? (Me neither.) Plus the Apple Watch is just plain fugly.
 
To conserve battery life? You will not always be around a charger so it'll be nice to know how it fares with everything turned off. So you can still check the time when your phone runs out of juice.

I agree and this will be a key feature/function for me. Having 24 hours of battery life is fine most of the time. But I travel a lot and my journey time is often over 1 day. The last thing I want is my watch going flat or having to hunt for a power outlet in the airport while transiting. A simple "conserve" mode that switches off most functions would be fine. In this case I'd hope for a battery life of about 2-3 days. If I needed to I could always flip all the bells and whistles back on for a few minutes, for example to sync the time to my iphone if I'd crossed a time zone. Then switch them back off again. My only worry is that Apple is not a fan of power conservation modes in their mobile devices, they seem to see it as an admission that the battery is insufficient, hence I'm not going to be surprised if this feature is missing.
 
My post was not meant as a comment on your post. It was a comment on the general topic of how the term complications could be applied to smartwatches. I just replied to your post in order to ensure that somebody interested in and knowledgeable about the term complications would see my post via a quote notification.



I think we mean different things when we say 'displayed separately'. To my knowledge, mechanical watches don't have switches that make the watch face disappear to show the complication (the exceptions I thought of were watches where you can flip the whole watch and see something else on the backside). The watch arms might be used to display the complication but the actual face (the non-moving part) doesn't change.

One can argue a lot what can or should be called a complication on a watch with a digital display. But in the end, one cannot make any absolute statements, only ones about the degrees of appropriateness. At one end of the scale, a smartwatch doesn't have to use the term complications for any of its functions as there is nothing strictly normative about the term complications in regard to digital devices. And at the other end, the term complications could be used for any function other than showing the time. Whether calling a display of your heart rate a complication is a good idea or not is certainly open to question, not least since we had sportwatches for maybe 20 years now and I don't think anybody has called any of their non-time-telling features a complication.

But smartwatches are just at their very beginning (if we differentiate between sportwatches and smartwatches) and anybody who is successful in this category has the potential to be normative about how language is used to describe its components and features in the way that other companies like Google have become normative about what the verb 'to google' means.

I agree with you wholeheartedly. After reading your explanation, I understand more clearly the thought you were conveying. Apologies if I came off less than cordial. I was tired last night.:D
 
1. You need to defeat 5 more towers in Far Cry 4 to get the M60+Scope for free!

2. You are missing only 5 achievements to have 100% in Arkham Origins

3. Sit idle for only 124m longer and you will have a new record!

4. You are only 16 kills from being in the top 50 for CS:GO.

What users really would want to track. "F" all this exercise BS.
 
Er the average pocket calculator is more powerful than the computers they used to land on the moon. That is not the point. Your argument means that any and every watch, including the cruddy Samsung crap, are fully entitled to use and degrade the very specific use of the word 'complication', with regard specifically to watches. It's not the complication as such but the impossibly intricate skill of the master watchmaker that was on display. I'm just saying that Jonny Ive is being a monumental hypocrite by stating his respect for the tradition of watchmaking when he is blatantly ripping off the language of watchmaking in order to bask in the reflected glory that the grande complication watchmakers have built up over the centuries.

Or maybe appropriating words from past objects into computer software is just a convention that shouldn't be read into more than that. We have "files" and "folders" and "desktops" and "backgrounds" and "digital crowns" and "complications". It is just a digitization of the former analog counterpart with the same name. No need to get upset or read into that any more than "face" value. Get it? Watches have "faces" analog or digital. I don't think Jony Ive was trying to tell anyone that he is a master watchmaker nor do I even think that Jony Ive had the idea or the final say on the fact that it would be called a complication.
 
Yes, or Fitbit, or Pebble. So let me ask you, in addition to your smartphone, are you ready to pony up $350 for a gadget that will be obsoleted in 2 years? (Me neither.) Plus the Apple Watch is just plain fugly.

I have no idea if it will be obsolete in two years. Of course neither do you.

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Watches have "faces" analog or digital. I don't think Jony Ive was trying to tell anyone that he is a master watchmaker nor do I even think that Jony Ive had the idea or the final say on the fact that it would be called a complication.

I re-watched the Watch portion of Apple's September event and the word complication was never used. Not by Tim Cook, not in Jony Ive's video or Kevin Lynch's demo. Seems like it's more of a marketing thing.
 
That wouldn't make sense. But they could add complications to the home screen and lock screen in iOS 9. If they do, they should at least give you partial credit.

I don't think you got that it was a joke meant to indicate how complicated the settings app is as the result of so many nested pages that aren't laid out in any sort of sensible manner

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1. You need to defeat 5 more towers in Far Cry 4 to get the M60+Scope for free!

2. You are missing only 5 achievements to have 100% in Arkham Origins

3. Sit idle for only 124m longer and you will have a new record!

4. You are only 16 kills from being in the top 50 for CS:GO.

What users really would want to track. "F" all this exercise BS.

I wish they would have dropped all the exercise BS and made the thing 2mm thinner
 
Yes, or Fitbit, or Pebble. So let me ask you, in addition to your smartphone, are you ready to pony up $350 for a gadget that will be obsoleted in 2 years? (Me neither.) Plus the Apple Watch is just plain fugly.

If you don't want to buy a gadget that will be obsolete in a few years, then you don't want to buy a gadget.

Constant movement forward, whether it's in terms of power, features, connectivity, price, etc. has been a fundamental dynamic in tech gadgets for decades. Even quality hardware, that will last a lot longer than a few years, ends up abandoned or unsupported by ecosystems we use, or overwhelmed by software updated when they are supported.

If that bothers you then, by all means, do not buy an Apple Watch. But clearly this hasn't stopped gadgets from growing into a business worth billions and billions of dollars a year.

Fear of obsolescence isn't a reason not to buy an Apple Watch. It's a reason not to buy any tech gadgets.
 
March can't come fast enough. Can't wait for this!

Sorry,not feeling it!

I am not lazy enough that I can't pull out my iPhone with a larger screen to do what that watch does.

The difference of twisting your arm and reach for the dial crown,and pulling my iPhone out of my pocket and pressing the home button is at best 1to 2 seconds.

As for status symbol and snob appeal, I hope that just like me many people are not into that :)
 
To conserve battery life? You will not always be around a charger so it'll be nice to know how it fares with everything turned off. So you can still check the time when your phone runs out of juice.

Just saying... why would you buy a smartwatch and turn off all of the smart features?

It would be like buying a smartphone and disabling wifi and mobile data.
 
Just saying... why would you buy a smartwatch and turn off all of the smart features?

It would be like buying a smartphone and disabling wifi and mobile data.

Yes I sometimes do that to conserve battery life. To use it as an actual phone if there's an emergency. Why not be able to do the same with a smartwatch?
 
Maybe I'll buy this thing after all

I didn't see a reason to get this watch. It doesn't seem to do much that my phone doesn't do.

But a few days ago, I went for a 6-mile hike and then biked 16 miles, and the Runkeeper app completely drained my battery just before I could get back to the car. When I recharged the phone, I found the data was lost. My best workout in years, and I didn't get to record it.

If the watch data syncs to Runkeeper (I don't see why it wouldn't), I'm definitely buying it as soon as it's released.
 
I re-watched the Watch portion of Apple's September event and the word complication was never used. Not by Tim Cook, not in Jony Ive's video or Kevin Lynch's demo. Seems like it's more of a marketing thing.

Apple is now using the term on the Apple Watch page, so for whatever it is worth, they seem to want it to be associated with the multifunction watch dial screen. Presumably developers will also have to become familiar with Apple's implementation of watch complications. Of the people who are interested in the Apple Watch at all, I suspect the reaction to their use of the term will be approximately: offended (1%), amused (2%), indifferent (97%).
 
Haha yeah okay sure, you have to be wearing the watch on your wrist to even use the thing, it knows it's you so it unlocks the watch for you and you double click the "contacts" button to use Apple Pay, so yes physical contact is required :p


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It does require physical contact! It does require you to double tap the home button and that is called physical contact! Gee... do people even read anything now days!!



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Apple Pay DOES require physical contact. It requires the user to double click the crown of the watch and click a confirmation on the screen.

I meant physical contact meaning a thief touching your wallet. Understand? Ok good.
 
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I have no idea if it will be obsolete in two years. Of course neither do you.


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I re-watched the Watch portion of Apple's September event and the word complication was never used. Not by Tim Cook, not in Jony Ive's video or Kevin Lynch's demo. Seems like it's more of a marketing thing.

Okay, I get your point. 3 years perhaps?

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Huh? Wouldn't that be something like Microsoft Band?

(I can tell by your profile pic that I might have struck a nerve.) I'll be happy if you're happy with your Apple Watch. I just don't see the point in getting one for me at least. To each his own.

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If you don't want to buy a gadget that will be obsolete in a few years, then you don't want to buy a gadget.

Constant movement forward, whether it's in terms of power, features, connectivity, price, etc. has been a fundamental dynamic in tech gadgets for decades. Even quality hardware, that will last a lot longer than a few years, ends up abandoned or unsupported by ecosystems we use, or overwhelmed by software updated when they are supported.

If that bothers you then, by all means, do not buy an Apple Watch. But clearly this hasn't stopped gadgets from growing into a business worth billions and billions of dollars a year.

Fear of obsolescence isn't a reason not to buy an Apple Watch. It's a reason not to buy any tech gadgets.

Let's not blur the lines between fashion wearable and kitchy electronic gadget. I fully expect and welcome an iPhone upgrade once every two years. I will not pony up $350 every two years for a watch. If I'm going spend that kind of money on a watch, it better last at least 10 years. I seriosuly DOUBT this first gen Apple Watch will last half that long.
 
I have a horrible fear that the first day queue for the Apple Watch is going to be long. Having had to wait 4 months to finally get my hands on an iPhone 6 I might just stand and queue for the Apple Watch launch day.
 
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