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AppleWatch does have an IP rating. Apple rates it IPX7, which in practical terms means that you can go swimming with it. Apple doesn't boast about the water protection to avoid complexity. They're not going to explain that while it is water proof, you can shower with it, swim with it, but don't go snorkelling or diving with it. So they don't promote it at all.

Actually, Apple specifically warns against swimming in the Apple Watch User Guide:

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As they point out, water resistance is not a permanent condition.

An actual watch is uncomfortable to sleep with. I've always taken off my watches to sleep, even before smart watches.

That's fine, but many of us have always worn wristwatches 24/7. Plus many people want sleep activity monitoring.

We're the ones who want the most comfortable watch case, and the longest lasting battery.

In my case, I solved the battery problem by simply swapping between two smartwatches. That way, one is always charging. Not everyone wants to do that, of course.
 
Actually, Apple specifically warns against swimming in the Apple Watch User Guide:

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In my case, I solved the battery problem by simply swapping between two smartwatches. That way, one is always charging. Not everyone wants to do that, of course.
Honestly.. buying 2 watches cos the battery life is so dire is a solution.. lol, that's the funniest thing I've read in ages...
 
Honestly.. buying 2 watches cos the battery life is so dire is a solution.. lol, that's the funniest thing I've read in ages...

I wouldn't say the situation is "dire", unless you're someone like me who wears watches 24/7, and for whom the watch part is the most important.

That's partly why the Martian hybrid notification watches are so useful. They have a regular quartz movement that lasts years, with a rechargeable Bluetooth alert window that lasts up to a week.

In my case, I happened to find two used Android Wear watches (Moto 360 and LG R) on eBay for the price of a single new one. This allows me to swap entire looks as well as just bands.
 
I wouldn't say the situation is "dire", unless you're someone like me who wears watches 24/7, and for whom the watch part is the most important.

That's partly why the Martian hybrid notification watches are so useful. They have a regular quartz movement that lasts years, with a rechargeable Bluetooth alert window that lasts up to a week.

In my case, I happened to find two used Android Wear watches (Moto 360 and LG R) on eBay for the price of a single new one. This allows me to swap entire looks as well as just bands.
With regards that bottom sentence, that's bit not too bad, I had visions of you going in and just ordering 2 watches over the counter lol,
On a side note, I have the galaxy gear s2 which has amazing battery life as it's tizen, not Android wear. I can take it off to have a shower at 9pm, at 9.35 it's back up to full charge what it's used during the day, so back on over night for the alarm to wake me in the morn and rinse and repeat. Without this I've got almost 3 days use. It just doesn't like using battery which is great.
That said, I do like the look of some of the AW hardware..
 
Well, maybe you should give up trying to misrepresent the facts.

I think the facts speak for themselves. There's nothing to gain for anyone to "misrepresent" them. Now to deny or brush them over is another story. I still like Apple a lot, but that doesn't mean I won't take notice of their shortcomings or give criticism when warranted.
 
I think the facts speak for themselves.

I agree.

Before Apple Watch launched, Apple said they would not be disclosing sales figures, for competitive reasons.

After Apple Watch launched, Apple did not disclose sales figures, for competitive reasons.

This is sound business practice.

There's nothing to gain for anyone to "misrepresent" them. Now to deny or brush them over is another story. I still like Apple a lot, but that doesn't mean I won't take notice of their shortcomings or give criticism when warranted

You are attempting to misrepresent the facts by saying that the lack of disclosure is because the figures were "not good enough" to announce. I wonder why you are saying that?

Apple is keeping to what it said. That is neither a shortcoming nor a behavior that warrants criticism.
 
I agree.

Before Apple Watch launched, Apple said they would not be disclosing sales figures, for competitive reasons.

After Apple Watch launched, Apple did not disclose sales figures, for competitive reasons.

This is sound business practice.



You are attempting to misrepresent the facts by saying that the lack of disclosure is because the figures were "not good enough" to announce. I wonder why you are saying that?

Apple is keeping to what it said. That is neither a shortcoming nor a behavior that warrants criticism.

I'm saying that because it's human nature to "fill in the blanks" when it's obvious that someone is withholding information for some unknown reason. Based on past experience, we all know that Apple would be shouting from the roof if sales were very good. Transparency only when it's beneficial can be seen by some as a little shady, even if it's considered a normal business practice which other companies do as well.
 
I'm saying that because it's human nature to "fill in the blanks" when it's obvious that someone is withholding information for some unknown reason.

Apple is not withholding anything for "some unknown reason".

The reason why Apple has not disclosed figures was made crystal clear before Apple Watch was launched.

I wonder why you are still seeking to suggest otherwise?
 
The reason why Apple has not disclosed figures was made crystal clear before Apple Watch was launched.

I wonder why you are still seeking to suggest otherwise?

He's right that it's human nature to assume "something's up" whenever there's secrecy.

For example, Samsung doesn't report its phone sales numbers, for the same reason Apple later used for its Watch.

That hasn't stopped many people here from assuming that their secrecy must mean sales are less than expected :)
 
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