that depends on how much Apple want to make a dent in the fitness market. Garmin have got some good examples - I have the Forerunner 225 which is swim proof, has GPS and heart rate as well as being a regular watch. Everything I need to go out on a run and track distance, time, elevation, calories burned without having to carry anything else.
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that depends on how much Apple want to make a dent in the fitness market. Garmin have got some good examples - I have the Forerunner 225 which is swim proof, has GPS and heart rate as well as being a regular watch. Everything I need to go out on a run and track distance, time, elevation, calories burned without having to carry anything else.
Do you not live in a big city? I live in London and the place is full of it. I still don't have AW though as I don't see the need and the first gen is not very "complete" for me. I might be AW2 if it improves a lot. Just like Jonny Ive said about the first generation iPhone - so if his hinting is correct then I hope AW2 will improve a lot if not then I guess I'll wait till it does.
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Exactly! It made me laugh but its so true.
Get past what? The fact you're in a shrinking minority and tens of millions of people use these things around the world every day? I don't need to rationalize anything, I've quantified - you haven't. You keep trying to rationalize though, and it's pathetic - because you're trying to claim a superiority that doesn't exist over people getting fit. Congratulations, you've managed to find something that makes you lamer than people that slag on Pokemon players.
I have no interest in how you rationalize it. The fact of life for ordinary people that want to be healthy is that if you need to run to improve your cardio vascular system then you run. Running with your damn GPS improves NOTHING. Do you need an app or a cup to tell you to drink water too? Your body tells you that. You don't know how to use two fingers to check pulse?
It's amusing to see people convince themselves that it will somehow improve something when in reality they spend money and time to micro manage their lives.
You are funny. I like you.
I think you have seen enough videos on YouTube showing that the watch is water proof. Certainly not a deep dive watch, but you can swim, shower etc with it on.-Not water proof
-Needs daily recharge
-Black screen always, unless you turn it on..
Fix these problems please to see a high profitability.. For the time being Pebble fits in quite nicely
Daily charge - mine goes on the night stand on its side on charge, turns into my alarm clock.
When I'm not looking at it who cares that the screen is black?
I've already quantified the ways it's used; you conveniently keep ignoring it. It's the largest scientific study on the planet, and you can choose to be a flat-earther - that's your prerogative. But they work, so you're wrong, and you'll continue to be wrong - because your only goal here is to be a contrarian and get the last word facts be damned.
I tried a friend's Apple Watch the other day and it's quite a mixed experience. On the one hand, the watch itself looks and feels very nice, with a beautiful screen, and a slim, well made body. The haptic vibrations feel great and the watch faces look very good. It's a great watch that shows you lots of useful information.
Where it really, really sucks however, is apps. As soon as you have to go into that mosaic home screen and scroll and flick through anything, it becomes a nightmare. It's slow as hell, you may be waiting minutes before you can get something simple done. Apps open slowly and many things you do requires authentication from your iPhone, so you might as well just use your iPhone.
The interface is also not very intuitive. I keep forgetting that Force Touch is a thing, and I'm not sure when, where and why to use it. I'm not sure what the side button does and what it's for beyond bringing up a strange menu with contacts. When the first iPhone came out I instantly knew how to use it, but the watch is different even though I now have years of experience with similar devices.
I don't really think that it should have apps at all. This should be a device that is almost read-only, like any watch. You should look at it and know what's up, and if you're interested in doing anything, you should do it with your phone, which by the way must be in your pocket anyway for the watch to even work. It's great for getting notifications, to check the time, to see that someone replied to your text message or an email, but it's not great for anything else. It's nice to have basic, important, up to date information on your wrist. But for interaction, I think the extreme slowness and tiny screen don't really give an acceptable experience. And I don't think it should be interactive. That's what your phone is for.
What I also don't get is for those who bought the gold version - will they also be buying a new one every 2 years? Or are they meant to be sticking with the ultra expensive jewelry-level watch for life, which will no doubt be unusable in 3 years do to software updates that disable it just like the iPhone? Is this a disposable device for the price of something you traditionally inherit and wear for a lifetime?
Where it really, really sucks however, is apps. As soon as you have to go into that mosaic home screen and scroll and flick through anything, it becomes a nightmare. It's slow as hell, you may be waiting minutes before you can get something simple done. Apps open slowly and many things you do requires authentication from your iPhone, so you might as well just use your iPhone.
The interface is also not very intuitive. I keep forgetting that Force Touch is a thing, and I'm not sure when, where and why to use it. I'm not sure what the side button does and what it's for beyond bringing up a strange menu with contacts. When the first iPhone came out I instantly knew how to use it, but the watch is different even though I now have years of experience with similar devices.
I don't really think that it should have apps at all. This should be a device that is almost read-only, like any watch. You should look at it and know what's up, and if you're interested in doing anything, you should do it with your phone, which by the way must be in your pocket anyway for the watch to even work. It's great for getting notifications, to check the time, to see that someone replied to your text message or an email, but it's not great for anything else. It's nice to have basic, important, up to date information on your wrist. But for interaction, I think the extreme slowness and tiny screen don't really give an acceptable experience. And I don't think it should be interactive. That's what your phone is for.
What I also don't get is for those who bought the gold version - will they also be buying a new one every 2 years? Or are they meant to be sticking with the ultra expensive jewelry-level watch for life, which will no doubt be unusable in 3 years do to software updates that disable it just like the iPhone? Is this a disposable device for the price of something you traditionally inherit and wear for a lifetime?
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You're being much too simplistic. Yes, you can improve your fitness by simply getting up off the couch and go for a walk. But A GPS or heart rate monitor will give you metrics to compare and improve against. A little more information than just, 'feeling' that you ran faster this time.
By your logic, why own a iPhone, or computer for that matter. These are all tools that simply help in some small way to improve lives.
After a while I decided to chip in and tell you that you are incorrect. You obviously have no idea what you are talking about or you have never done proper exercise/sport. Keeping track of things is the best way to progress and improve (your health also). This method is as old as the exercise/sport itself.
In the old age we would use stop watch and pen and paper to keep record. Now we have devices that are digital and do it for us.
So please, either educate yourself on how tracking things improve your performance etc. (health included) and then come and discuss or stop irritating people without obviously lacking the knowledge and making generalisation comments that are pretty much useless.
Do you not live in a big city? I live in London and the place is full of it. I still don't have AW though as I don't see the need and the first gen is not very "complete" for me. I might be AW2 if it improves a lot. Just like Jonny Ive said about the first generation iPhone - so if his hinting is correct then I hope AW2 will improve a lot if not then I guess I'll wait till it does.
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I live in the Toronto area of Canada. iPhones/iOS does well here, but due to pricing, they're really not nearly as popular as in other major nations (Current iPhones start at $950 CAD, with tax easily over 1k, or about 550GBP. on Contract cost for the 16gb model is $400 CAD with required 90/mth plan). Heck the Apple watch Sport from retailers is $350/$400 (size depending)
I have been to London recently, and I did notice that London itself is does have a very high noticable i-Device population. I just remember riding the tube and seeing like 80% of people on iPhones. Here if you rode the subway, it would be closer to 20%.
but it does just emphasize my point that you can't really use individual observation to tell these things. the sample size and divsersity of what one individual can see just isn't large enough to account for the entire population
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That would be true, if I was 4 foot tall and 4 foot wide.
You have to put the entire body type into perspective, plus age etc.
When I go down to what science calls the ideal weight (did that),
I look as if I have cancer and will drop dead any minute.
(Some posters on MR will probably say: good idea)
Plus, I like my clothes on the loose side.
It's even worse than that. I just read an article a few minutes ago on the strong iPhone SE sales:
(even though Apple have always had a 4" model on sale).
If he likes the products (iPhone SE) he backs the survey and mocks Apple. If he doesn't like the product (Apple Watch) he lets us know the estimates are speculation (and for bonus points Tim Cook gets a mention mockingly).
It amazes me how the negative bunch of MacRumors regulars behave to spin things. It's hilarious.
Possible, but wasteful. Technology simple doesn't improve that quickly. Heck, not even smartphone processors advance that quickly.
Same here - AW 2nd gen for me - that will complete my stash of apple gear.
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I don't doubt your need for GPS - but I can't imagine going out without my iPhone - when I get AW 2nd gen (GPS include it or not), I will continue carrying my phone for my runs (reason:young children/elder parents) .
-Not water proof
-Needs daily recharge
-Black screen always, unless you turn it on..
Fix these problems please to see a high profitability.. For the time being Pebble fits in quite nicely
None of those are actual problems.
- Yes, it is waterproof where it counts.
You can jump into a pool or go swimming in the ocean while still wearing it but no, you can't dive with it and neither would you want to. It has no practical purpose for diving.
- It charges when you take it off to go to sleep. Unless it never needed to be charged, it makes little difference that it needs to be charged at night or every few nights. A 3 or 4 day battery would still be charged nightly. If taking off the watch wasn't a habit you'd end up forgetting to charge it and would conciously have to think about charging it. The battery on my watch is never something I think about. I just take it off at night and put it on its stand. And it charges. I've never run out of battery.
- The screen turns on when I look at it without fail. I don't want a constant glow on my wrist. It turns on effortlessly when I need it. I guess that you can make an aesthetic argument about having a watch face always on the screen for others to look at but there's a battery price to pay for that and it's just not that important. It's on when the user looks at it and that's what matters.
While the watch itself seems to do well with water, Apple not including waterproof in the specifications is deliberate. It means that they tested it enough times to knwo that there's a decent chance of occasional water failure. by NOT rating it waterproof with an IP rating, they are not responsible if your watch fails due to water damage. So while you may have good luck with submersing it under water, Apple believes there's enough risk of failure not to make the claim it's waterproof. For someone who is regularly looking to have it submerssed, or even wet, this means they run risk of damaging their watch outside of warranty, which is something they do not want to do.
The nightly charge thing is one reason why it's not a sleep tracker as well. Which is something many people are looking for in fitness/sports style watches, which Apple claims the Apple watch is capable of.
I was very skeptical when the Apple Watch was released and didn't buy one for a few months. Now, I really like it. There are many useful features that have proven to be a lifesaver at times, but more importantly it's a good watch. Some people seem to forget that...
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I agree. A lot of the "problems" many users see with the watch aren't really problems. They are just inflated expectations. I actually think the watch is very thoughtfully designed and works well. It's a fantastic first generation product. I'm sure Apple will improve it over time as well.
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I agree. A lot of the "problems" many users see with the watch aren't really problems. They are just inflated expectations. I actually think the watch is very thoughtfully designed and works well. It's a fantastic first generation product. I'm sure Apple will improve it over time as well.
Maybe, maybe not. I don't see many people wearing them on the street. If they had sold tens of millions Tim Cook would be making a big song and dance about it in his keynotes and earnings calls. No Numbers = Low Sales.
AppleWatch does have an IP rating. Apple rates it IPX7, which in practical terms means that you can go swimming with it. Apple doesn't boast about the water protection to avoid complexity. They're not going to explain that while it is water proof, you can shower with it, swim with it, but don't go snorkelling or diving with it. So they don't promote it at all.
Again, in practice, diving or snorkelling with the Watch is not something you'd want to do because as a touch screen device, it wouldn't do much for you anyway. That said, people who are looking for excuses to deride the AppleWatch often call out that it's not water resistant. Well it is, so now what?
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An actual watch is uncomfortable to sleep with. I've always taken off my watches to sleep, even before smart watches. Fitness bands are tolerable but there are much better solutions for sleep tracking like Withings Aura or Sense by Hello.
Still, even if the watch battery lasted a few days and you used it to track sleep, when do you charge it? You'd have to remember every few days to set aside some time to take it off and charge. That becomes a chore. I just take mine off to go to sleep as a habit and never have to think about charging because I simply take it off to go to sleep each night.
Those are really good arguments, I appreciate the effort taken by all users supporting Apple Watch.
From a personal point of view, I like the sleep tracking ability of pebble.. And it's ability to gently wake me up when I am in a light sleep in the morning with a smart alarm, a cheap orbit band does that too.
A pebble time is very light weight, I like to keep it on, since it helps me weed out all the useless calls and notifications from my iPhone and check or revive only the important ones.
A always on screen doesn't always mean it will use more battery, do a lookup on eink technology which is used in Kindle. It doesn't glow, it's more like a traditional watch with the time always on.
Being officially supported for waterproof is something which is very helpful in RMA and warranty claims. And if Apple doesn't claim the Apple Watch to be water resistant, be sure 99% Apple Watch users out there are not putting their watches in that risk.
Having said all that, believe me if Apple puts in these features or at least tries to put some of them.. I will be among the first users to give in, I will love to.
I do have to wonder if part of the reason that Android is so prevalent here is due to so many people being former BB users. (many would have transitioned from Android on BlackBerry to Android on Samsung). Also, many of them fault Apple for BB's demise (incorrectly). (me, I lay that completely at Jim and Mike's feet - pigheaded asses).
Actually, the battery life has gotten so good, that you can easily leave it on overnight using a sleep tracking app, then throw it on the charger when you wake up and start your morning routine (most people futz about for about an hour - likely enough time to recharge the watch).
Apple doesn't promote it but it is designated IPX7 so it is officially water resistant up to 1M for 30 minutes. In practical terms, you can dive into a deep pool as long as you don't stay at that depth. Doing laps in a pool would usually take the watch to depths not much longer than your arm, so you can swim with it.
I've owned mine since day 1 and in those 14 months, I've gone on 3 trips where I swam in the ocean, spent countless days inside a pool using my AppleWatch to change the music on the speakers pool side, taken showers, washed dishes, washed my dog and walked in the rain with the Watch on my wrist and competed in a Tough Mudder competition with my Watch filthy in mud by the end. It works exactly the same way as the day I bought it.
It's absolutely water resistant, I can guarantee you that. It has nothing to do with luck.
There is nothing Lamer on gods earth than grown adults walking down a street looking for a digital image of a 90s kids show. Stop it already!!!!!
There is a thriving market for gimmicks to tinker with. Apple Watch is just such a product. An excellent niche product to enhance Apples presence in mainstream consumer electronics.