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Metal is SOFTER than glass. Where did you get THAT information? Which metals?

Lead, iron, zinc, nickel, calcium, mercury, brass, sodium, tin, gold, copper, strontium, platinum, palladium, silver, bronze, and many more are all lower on the Mohs hardness scale than a medium hardness glass. Steel is softer too unless it's hardened steel.
 
It will not stop working after a year or two. That is absolute nonsense.

Come on dude. Seriously?

I have a watch from 10 years ago that works just as well as the day I bought it. Tell me the original iPhone (~8 years old) works the same way.
 
Come on dude. Seriously?

I have a watch from 10 years ago that works just as well as the day I bought it. Tell me the original iPhone (~8 years old) works the same way.

well, to be fair, he's not "wrong"

He's not right either.

I have the Original ipod Touch and it's still in perfect, 100% functioning order.

however, Due to limitatiosn of the OS on it, it does 1/2 of what it did then now.

None of the Apple communication stuff works on it anymore. Doesn't support most modern email servers and AWC, cannot use iMessage and the like

Most of the Apps I had downloaded and used are no longer supported, and many of them, once I refreshed the device were no longer downloadable from Apple either.

The device still works though. Still plays music and can do the core functionality. But thats about it. I keep ti in my car plugged into my car radio as its music source. basically a glorified music hard drive
 
I would. Even Apple say in their literature that submerging the watch is not recommended. This is splash proof, like when washing your hands. Not go swimming proof.

There is a big difference between swimming and jumping in and out of a pool. Most phones can survive a quick dip in water if you grab it quickly and those have open ports. Apple Watch is enclosed much better and should survive most quick dips into water.
 
There is a big difference between swimming and jumping in and out of a pool. Most phones can survive a quick dip in water if you grab it quickly and those have open ports. Apple Watch is enclosed much better and should survive most quick dips into water.

That may be true. But would you knowingly jump into the pool with your iPhone in your pocket?

Apple have covered themselves here. They have made public statements about not submerging the watch. You can be absolutely guaranteed, water damage will not be covered under warranty.
 
Come on dude. Seriously?

I have a watch from 10 years ago that works just as well as the day I bought it. Tell me the original iPhone (~8 years old) works the same way.

Yes seriously. The watch will work fine for years. The issue that you have is that you cannot accept that new watches will have more functionality than yours. But that doesn't impact the functionality of your current watch in any way.
 
Watches will last as long as you keep repairing them...

10 year old watch = had to be repaired in that life time. It would have been good to mention THAT important detail.
 
KNOCK KNOCK!

Who is it?

It's Physics, and it's pissed!



Not really. Liquid water has low viscosity, and unless you're brandishing an object in water with a high surface area, or the watch has a dissolvable sealant (which makes no sense), or you're able to swim with such a speed that individual water molecules cannot reorder themselves fast enough, harm should not befall the watch.



Again, no. The only significant change that occurs with water is a physical change- when water freezes. Since I assume the wearer will not be diving watch first into a block of ice, the watch should be ok.

The chemical properties of water do not change. A system that contains water may change depending on what is added/substracted to/from the system, but water does not change its properties. Thank physics this is true! And unless you're pondering to jump into a pool of concentrated acid or base, you shouldn't have much to worry about.



Actually it kind of is, for the reasons I stated above. However, an environmental condition outside of these constraints would warrant caution. Besides the unrealistic scenarios I posited above (acid/base bath, supersonic swimming speed, swimming within a block of ice) the only normally occurring activity within water that could harm an otherwise undefective Apple Watch would be deep water diving. Because of the large increase in pressure resulting from increased diving depth, divers would want to wear their pressure resistant watches instead of the Apple Watch for this task.

Physics needs to calm down.

So soap/chlorine/salt has no effect on water? Do any properties change such as surface tension or viscosity?

I don't doubt anything of what you're saying is true, but you're forgetting that the specs purpose is to measure the effects of water on an object. So no matter what physics says about the water, the specs still only measure the effects of water on the object in specific conditions. Those conditions are not the same as real world scenarios.

theory vs practice

Case in point (source) from a user commenting on an IPX7 device I own:
I have a Garmin Forerunner 305 which is IPX7 rated. I have been in the ocean with it for up to 30 minutes (i.e. chasing my kayak in the Hawaiian surf). I've been kayaking surfing, windsurfing, snorkeling, and swimming with it. It can handle saltwater, as the rating says down to 1M for up to 30 minutes. However, it can't handle a sudden impact into the water. I got thrown really hard from my kayak while riding a 5-footer and water got under the crystal -- that's all it took. My friend destroyed his during a hard fall windsurfing. I also got fresh water under the display screen on another 305 after diving into water with it on, but was able to salvage that one.

The first two situations were rather extreme, but the third scenario he was diving into freshwater. It's also worth noting that the instructions for this device recommend you do not submerge it or swim with it.

There's always the chance that you forget you have the watch on, or it gets bumped wrong, or some scenario happens that the IPX7 rating doesn't take into account. And it shouldn't; that's not what that rating is for.
 
There is a big difference between swimming and jumping in and out of a pool. Most phones can survive a quick dip in water if you grab it quickly and those have open ports. Apple Watch is enclosed much better and should survive most quick dips into water.

Often times for phones and other electronics that get submerged, they work fine once they're dried out. But usually there is some corrosion slowly happening somewhere, and the device will eventually die. So as soon as the internals get wet it's just a matter of time before the device fails. It's just a question of how long until it happens.

It happened to me with an iPod. I got it wet and put it in rice. Once dry it eventually came back to life, but then completely died in a couple months.

Agreed, though, the Apple Watch should be much more durable for these scenarios.
 
Not really. Liquid water has low viscosity, and unless you're brandishing an object in water with a high surface area, or the watch has a dissolvable sealant (which makes no sense), or you're able to swim with such a speed that individual water molecules cannot reorder themselves fast enough, harm should not befall the watch.
If the watch falls off your arm while you're skydiving and the watch hits the ocean from like 2km up . . . I think your Apple Watch is ****ed :)
From the initial impact of hitting the water. It'll be long dead before it's water clogged from the ocean swim.

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The Apple watch not being dust certified really worries me.
I think it'll be time to read that AppleCare insurance very carefully to see how Apple treat dust damage of the watches,
 
And yet you know Scratchgate is coming.

Sapphire is a tested material used for decades in watches. It does not scratch.

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This was the most retarded test I've ever seen. I don't get how anyone on here can be so impressed by it. There was literally no pressure applied to the glass at all. .

A wristwatch is not likely to encounter greater pressure than that applied by rubbing a piece of sandpaper against it, rubbing keys against it, pushing down on a drill against its face, etc. It is not made to withstand huge impacts; but merely to oppose scratching when used in day to day life.
 
Yes seriously. The watch will work fine for years. The issue that you have is that you cannot accept that new watches will have more functionality than yours. But that doesn't impact the functionality of your current watch in any way.

Nope. I'm sorry, but you're just wrong.

You think battery life will be sufficient a few years down the road? Think again.
You think it will still run the original OS and interface with new iPhones? Think again.

Try grabbing an original iPhone and using now. It will be laggy and stutter, struggling to do even the most basic of tasks. Especially with new software. And new software is required, both from a security standpoint, and from a compatibility standpoint (as far as I know, there are very few apps that will still work on older iPhone OSes).

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well, to be fair, he's not "wrong"

He's not right either.

I have the Original ipod Touch and it's still in perfect, 100% functioning order.

however, Due to limitatiosn of the OS on it, it does 1/2 of what it did then now.

None of the Apple communication stuff works on it anymore. Doesn't support most modern email servers and AWC, cannot use iMessage and the like

Most of the Apps I had downloaded and used are no longer supported, and many of them, once I refreshed the device were no longer downloadable from Apple either.

The device still works though. Still plays music and can do the core functionality. But thats about it. I keep ti in my car plugged into my car radio as its music source. basically a glorified music hard drive

Exactly. But think about a watch. Battery life will go to %$#@ a couple years from now. UI will be laggy. Further down the road, do you think it will even still pair with newer iPhones? I doubt it. No matter how you look at it, a smart watch you want to use (and be fully functioning!) is not a longterm buy. Like a smartphone, it will be obsolete (except for a few, dedicated tasks -- like you use yours for!) in 4-5 years.
 
Sapphire is a tested material used for decades in watches. It does not scratch.

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A wristwatch is not likely to encounter greater pressure than that applied by rubbing a piece of sandpaper against it, rubbing keys against it, pushing down on a drill against its face, etc. It is not made to withstand huge impacts; but merely to oppose scratching when used in day to day life.

I'm not suggesting they apply a huge impact. The drill and hammer tests were just completely pointless, and the others were useless due to the reasons I already mentioned.
 
Nope. I'm sorry, but you're just wrong.

You think battery life will be sufficient a few years down the road? Think again.
You think it will still run the original OS and interface with new iPhones? Think again.

Try grabbing an original iPhone and using now. It will be laggy and stutter, struggling to do even the most basic of tasks. Especially with new software. And new software is required, both from a security standpoint, and from a compatibility standpoint (as far as I know, there are very few apps that will still work on older iPhone OSes).

You are just extrapolating your knowledge from the iPhone to the watch. There is no good reason to do so though. There is nothing known about the processing power of the watch processor and the weight of the OS. Nothing is known about the battery behaviour and fitness after a long time of use.

These are all just assumptions without any factual basis. Don't you think it is better to wait until some actual facts emerge about this?
 
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You are just extrapolating your knowledge from the iPhone to the watch. There is no good reason to do so though. There is nothing known about the processing power of the watch processor and the weight of the OS. Nothing is known about the battery behaviour and fitness after a long time of use.

These are all just assumptions without any factual basis. Don't you think it is better to wait until some actual facts emerge about this?

It seems like a pretty reasonable extrapolation, given say ... the entire body of examples in the history of electronic products.

You really think battery chemistry will be different for the Apple Watch than every other device that has ever existed?

You really think that software and firmware for this electronic device won't be updated to provide more functionality and take advantage of increases in processing power? ... which has the natural effect of making old devices more "laggy" over time as new software 9and apps) are designed and optimized for newer devices?

It seems much more reasonable to me to assume the Apple Watch will be like the iPhone than to assume it will be unlike every other consumer electronic device that has ever shipped.

We will see, of course, and all of this is in the future. I could certainly be wrong, and would love to be! But I'm betting I'm right.
 
That may be true. But would you knowingly jump into the pool with your iPhone in your pocket?

Apple have covered themselves here. They have made public statements about not submerging the watch. You can be absolutely guaranteed, water damage will not be covered under warranty.

Why would I intentionally jump into a pool with my smartwatch or phone on me? The touchscreen do not even work when submerged. My point was if you accidentally jump in and forget you will probably be fine so long as you quickly realize and react.

And there are many reported cases of Apple honoring warrantees even after water damage was proven to be the case. Again, I'm not guaranteeing anything, just saying that common sense and past performance do not guarantee you are doomed if you happen to have both a pool and iOS devices.
 

Holding your hand underwater is not equivalent to swimming! 1 watch has been put through this, only 1! Apple have clearly stated don't do it. Interesting that water damage is not mentioned at all in their recently released Warranty Eligibility document. We'll see what happens in a few months when components have had the chance to corrode.

Apple have covered themselves. Anyone who wants to go surfing with the watch, knock yourself out, but don't cry if the watch doesn't hold up.
 
Holding your hand underwater is not equivalent to swimming! 1 watch has been put through this, only 1! Apple have clearly stated don't do it. Interesting that water damage is not mentioned at all in their recently released Warranty Eligibility document. We'll see what happens in a few months when components have had the chance to corrode.

Apple have covered themselves. Anyone who wants to go surfing with the watch, knock yourself out, but don't cry if the watch doesn't hold up.

I agree. No one has ever condoned swimming but I thought it was funny how adamant people were a few weeks ago in stating that they would never shower with it or wash their hands or ever get any water on it. IPX7 rating doesn't mean waterproof in every situation but it does equate to that in most real world use.

If I need my watch while swimming, I would never use an Apple Watch mostly because touch screens are unusable while wet.
 
I'm not as worried about having some scratches or scuffs over time because there will be a new upgraded Apple Watch coming out in the following years to replace it. So I'll likely buy on the bottom end of the product lifecycle if it matches the iPhones lifecycle.

Unless you really abuse a watch the ion glass version and case should hold up well for the 2 years (my typical use time for iPhones) you have it until you upgrade.
 
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