It's interesting to note that Masimo's CEO is a megadonor an a very close friend of the Biden family. The ITC ruling helped Biden's friend.
It's interesting to note that Masimo's CEO is a megadonor an a very close friend of the Biden family. The ITC ruling helped Biden's friend.
Apple met with Masimo to collaborate on adding the sensor to the Apple Watch, then month later offered their top employees double the pay and millions in Apple stock to co e work at Apple. Then created a “new” patent for the sensor with the lead designers name from Maximo signed on the patent (that’s Evidence, and very stupid of Apple, I mean come on Apple). That’s why there is enough in this case for the trade commission to ban the import until they figure out what’s going on.Please provide evidence that Apple hired former Masimo employees with that intent.
Outside of the court documents, Apple has been pretty quiet. We've only heard one side's narrative about what has gone down. As far as stealing the IP, Apple has already been found to not infringe on a number of the claims and other patents have been completely thrown out. Unfortunately this is how the current patent system tends to play out - file everything under the sun and see what may hold up when/if the time comes.Hopefully this leads to Apple paying Masimo their proper licensing fees if indeed they infringed on their patents. No one should be allowed to just poach another's company employee to reproduce their IP. Can't believe people siding with Apple on this one. Do folks really think it's ok to steal a much smaller company's IP because it is their favorite company?
Apple should sue for damages
So does this mean any company will be allowed to steal patents? No consequences?
Following a ruling from the U.S. Court of Appeals staying the Apple Watch import ban, Apple has returned the Apple Watch Series 9 and the Apple Watch Ultra 2 to its online stores in the U.S., and they should also be available in some Apple retail stores.
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Apple on Tuesday filed an emergency request asking for the import ban to be paused while an appeal is under way. The appeals court implemented an interim stay while it decides whether it will grant Apple's request for a stay for the entire length of the appeal, and as a result, Apple can once again sell Apple Watch models with blood oxygen sensing technology.
The International Trade Commission (ITC) has until January 10 to file a response to Apple's request for a stay, and other parties have until January 15 to submit letters supporting or opposing the import ban. Apple should be able to continue to sell the watch at least until the appeals court makes a final ruling on the stay, which will happen at some point after January 15.
If the appeals court rules in Apple's favor, the import ban on the Apple Watch Series 9 and Ultra 2 will be paused for the entire duration of the appeals process. If the court does not rule in Apple's favor, the import ban will be reinstated. The appeals process could last for many months, so Apple may get a significant reprieve as it argues against the ITC's decision.
The ITC in October decided that Apple had infringed on blood oxygen sensing technology patented by Masimo, and put in place a U.S. import ban that went into effect on December 26. In preparation for the ban, Apple actually stopped sales online on December 21, and ended in-store sales after December 24.
The Biden administration had the opportunity to veto the import ban, but opted not to do so, making the import ban official. To get around the Apple Watch legal issues, Apple will need to win its appeal against Masimo, settle with Masimo, or remove the infringing blood oxygen sensing technology from the Apple Watch lineup.
The import ban only affected Apple Watch Series 9 and Apple Watch Ultra 2 models sold in Apple retail stores and the online store in the United States. Sales in other countries have not been affected, and the Apple Watch models have continued to be available in the U.S. in stores like Target, Walmart, and Best Buy.
Article Link: Apple Watch Series 9 and Ultra 2 Once Again Available to Purchase From Apple's Online Store
So does this mean any company will be allowed to steal patents? No consequences?
If any company stole anything from Apple they would definitely use everything in their power to stop it.
Apple met with Masimo to collaborate on adding the sensor to the Apple Watch, then month later offered their top employees double the pay and millions in Apple stock to co e work at Apple. Then created a “new” patent for the sensor with the lead designers name from Maximo signed on the patent (that’s Evidence, and very stupid of Apple, I mean come on Apple). That’s why there is enough in this case for the trade commission to ban the import until they figure out what’s going on.
Apple and Masimo failed to persuade a jury to reach a unanimous verdict in a trial where the medical-devices company claimed a blood-oxygen sensor in the Apple Watch was developed using misappropriated trade secrets.
Masimo sought as much as $1.85 billion, claiming that was the amount of illegal profit Apple earned from using its technology. But jurors in federal court in Santa Ana, California, told the judge Monday they were unable to reach a consensus, with six out of seven panelists voting to clear the iPhone maker of wrongdoing.
I believe it's an independent agency, not under the Judicial branch.It's not that interesting. It's a independent court that Biden has zero control over, as it's under the Judiciary branch.
The ruling judge, Monica V. Bhattacharyya, was hired by Jason E. Kearns, who was reappointed by Trump in 2017 to his position.
I believe it's an independent agency, not under the Judicial branch.
Thanks, I understand what poaching is, I’ve done it myself, but appreciate the academic lesson. One thing is poaching. Another one is to ask them to reproduce the work they developed for their previous employer. I don’t believe anyone could compete with Apple’s pockets when they’re set on getting someone, would they? Or do you have any information indicating that Masimo compensates below market or how these individuals were compensated?Outside of the court documents, Apple has been pretty quiet. We've only heard one side's narrative about what has gone down. As far as stealing the IP, Apple has already been found to not infringe on a number of the claims and other patents have been completely thrown out. Unfortunately this is how the current patent system tends to play out - file everything under the sun and see what may hold up when/if the time comes.
As far as poaching, that's just called business. Apple even got in trouble once for having non-poaching agreements. It's on Masimo if they can't pay enough to retain their top talent. I looked up some jobs at Masimo and for being in CA and the qualifications required, they were paying way too little for a skillset that is also desired by big tech.
Apple is laughing all the way to the bank. With all the publicity surrounding this situation, it was like a marketing boost for them. People rushed out and bought these watches before the ban went into effect. I'd bet they have sold many more Series 9s and Ultra 2s than they otherwise would have.
It looks like Kearns was originally nominated by Obama, then by TrumpNo, the ITC is a federal court, given authority over patents by the Tariff act in 1930.
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You are confusing the United States Court of International Trade with the ITC. You supplied the wrong link.No, the ITC is a federal court, given authority over patents by the Tariff act in 1930.
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I completely agree.Best not to side with either. Let the courts do that.
Not a single person on this site has all, or even the majority of info and evidence. It's all shooting from the hip.
This is a very important point.Or maybe Masimo is not asking for “proper licensing fees” , and that’s the point of the problem.
Can’t believe haters siding with Masimo on this one without complete knowledge of the issue.
it is a COURT decision. Not some sensationalist media crusade. Why court are known to make mistakes, is it really so hard to believe that your beloved Apple could make a mistake? They're PEOPLE, and like everyone else, they can exhibit poor judgement, or hire an executive with less-than-ideal ethics and morals.sadly the FUD keeps on spreading without evidence
The ITC is arguably worse. An administrative judge issues a initial determination, which is essentially a recommendation to the board of commissioners, who are not bound by the initial determination and can (and do) whatever they want. That happened here, where the commissioners deviated from the judge's recommendation.The ITC is about as useful as a judge in East Texas for determining actual patent infringement. It's why companies love to use it in the hopes of forcing other companies to settle. IMO it's the best argument for building tech in the States rather than having everything made in China/Taiwan/Vietnam, etc. and then facing these silly import bans.
The ITC is a federal administrative agency, not a federal court. This is the wrong link.No, the ITC is a federal court, given authority over patents by the Tariff act in 1930.
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That they hired an employee who's name was in a patent, and their compensation is completely irrelevant.Apple met with Masimo to collaborate on adding the sensor to the Apple Watch, then month later offered their top employees double the pay and millions in Apple stock to co e work at Apple. Then created a “new” patent for the sensor with the lead designers name from Maximo signed on the patent (that’s Evidence, and very stupid of Apple, I mean come on Apple). That’s why there is enough in this case for the trade commission to ban the import until they figure out what’s going on.
A patent is a public document. Anyone can use the info in the patent as long as they don't infringe the claims. The claims may not cover everything described in the patent. It is very fact dependent, so there would be a lot of evidence to consider. The best way to get at that is to review the factual findings of the ITC. However, I have not yet been able to locate that document.That they hired an employee who's name was in a patent, and their compensation is completely irrelevant.
Apparently the "new" patent cleared Apple's patent lawyer office to be submitted, and apparently got granted.
My request for "evidence" was in response to the claim that apple willfully asked the employee to use their knowledge in the previous patent - there is no evidence for that.
Now there's dispute over said patents, what I've read is that 3 out of 5 patents in the dispute were already invalidated, Masimo convinced the ITC and now apple is fighting that. These trials will consider all "evidence" on hand and we shall see what comes out of this at the end of the day.
Hopefully this leads to Apple paying Masimo their proper licensing fees if indeed they infringed on their patents. No one should be allowed to just poach another's company employee to reproduce their IP. Can't believe people siding with Apple on this one. Do folks really think it's ok to steal a much smaller company's IP because it is their favorite company?
Thanks, I understand what poaching is, I’ve done it myself, but appreciate the academic lesson. One thing is poaching. Another one is to ask them to reproduce the work they developed for their previous employer. I don’t believe anyone could compete with Apple’s pockets when they’re set on getting someone, would they? Or do you have any information indicating that Masimo compensates below market or how these individuals were compensated?
It looks like Apple blatantly thought they could get away with it by copying the technology. They didn’t. Stop defending your corporation. They’re just people. And they sometimes have poor judgement as well, just like we all at times.
it is a COURT decision. Not some sensationalist media crusade. Why court are known to make mistakes, is it really so hard to believe that your beloved Apple could make a mistake? They're PEOPLE, and like everyone else, they can exhibit poor judgement, or hire an executive with less-than-ideal ethics and morals.
Do folks really think it's ok to steal a much smaller company's IP because it is their favorite company?