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Hate Roku and Hate Apple TV. Chrome cast is cheap and easy to use while Roku and Apple TV are reasons melon sized boulders were made for.
 
To all those that are calling BS on Tim Cook's statement ...

Stop. He's an officer of the company and has material information. If it were to come out that this is a lie, he's in deep trouble. He's not risking that just to pump up Awatch numbers, especially when they posted record revenues otherwise.

Now if you're saying that he's fudging the numbers and not really lying, then yeah, without the baseline numbers, you might want to take the statement with a grain of salt.

But me, I'll take his word over some analyst looking at shady supplier numbers and extrapolating sales estimates any day.
I read every quote thus far in this thread. Not one quote says he's lying, so I'm not really sure why you brought that into the conversation. I think people are calling BS because, as you stated, without numbers, the record is best taken with grain of salt. iPhone set a quantifiable record; 78 million. Old record was 75 million. Easily judged positively or negatively depending on your bent. Apple Watch set record. What was the old record? What's the new record? That's vague and relatively uninformative without a baseline. It's more marketing and advertising than actual data.

No, a record for any smartwatch ever.

And not always the sales go up... ask Samsung, which didn't surpass the Galaxy S4 record with the S5, S6 and not with the S7.
Zirel, what's you're actual argument? Are you disagreeing with what goobot said or are you just letting off some steam over some perceived slight? Goobot's right btw.
 
Zirel, what's you're actual argument? Are you disagreeing with what goobot said or are you just letting off some steam over some perceived slight? Goobot's right btw.

My actual argument is that it's not "easy".

Apple has the only good product in the market that I would recommend, and that just simply shows.
 
My actual argument is that it's not "easy".

Apple has the only good product in the market that I would recommend, and that just simply shows.
Uh, okay. Not sure what that had to do with goobot's quote. But okay nonetheless.
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Probably more of a sarcastic reference to a typical generic MacRumors type of comment than anything else.
Yup. Poe's Law is a sneaky beast with no f's given.

The #1 seller in the smart watch category, making millions a year, and you honestly believe they should kill it? How obtuse are you? It's selling more than 2x what the 2nd most popular smart watch does.

I'm so glad you aren't in charge of Apple. It's be out of business long ago if that was the case.
Tee hee. I think you're a victim of Poe's Law.
 
To all those that are calling BS on Tim Cook's statement ...

Stop. He's an officer of the company and has material information. If it were to come out that this is a lie, he's in deep trouble. He's not risking that just to pump up Awatch numbers, especially when they posted record revenues otherwise.

Now if you're saying that he's fudging the numbers and not really lying, then yeah, without the baseline numbers, you might want to take the statement with a grain of salt.

But me, I'll take his word over some analyst looking at shady supplier numbers and extrapolating sales estimates any day.

It would be nice to believe him, but it's just so hard when we are constantly hearing "Apple's commitment to the Mac has never been so strong" or "we are amazed by the products we have in our pipeline". We've been hearing quotes like these for over 5 years now with very little validation. These are very carefully worded statements too. They can never be proven inaccurate.
 
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The Watch is awesome and will only get better as more features are feasible. I can see it becoming a must-have for a certain demographic when more body tracking features are in place. And it only draws more people to the Apple ecosystem.
Anyone who can't see that is myopic.
 
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Apple does not break out sales of the Apple Watch like it does for the iPhone, iPad, and Mac, but according to Apple CEO Tim Cook, the Apple Watch set all time unit and revenue records during the first fiscal quarter of 2017, suggesting significant sales during the holidays.

Cook said holiday demand was "so strong" that Apple "couldn't make enough." He went on to say the company is thrilled with the response its seen to the wearable device.

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While the Apple Watch set an all time revenue record, that's not reflected in Apple's "Other" products category, which was down eight percent year over year.

"Other," which includes the Apple TV, Apple Watch, Beats products, the iPod, and Apple-branded and third-party accessories (including the new AirPods), brought in $4.02 billion, down from $4.35 billion in the year-ago quarter.

It's not clear what was responsible for the drop if Apple Watch sales are up, but slower Beats and Apple TV sales could be one explanation.

Apple also set revenue records for the iPhone and Mac, along with its Services category.

Update: Apple CFO Luca Maestri told the Financial Times that Apple TV sales were down year over year, better explaining the revenue drop in the "Other" category despite surging Apple Watch sales.

Article Link: Apple Watch Sets All Time Revenue Record in Q1 2017

Maybe Apple Tv sales would be up if they released a new one with 4K support. Start selling 4k movies on itunes and higher bitrate audio files while you're at it
 
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Hmm. Something isn't quite right here. First. It's 14 weeks compared to 13 previously and thus the decline in this category is even larger. Also. Cook said that the AirPods where a huge success, yet there is a decline. What if Apple sold a pair of AirPods instead of an AppleTV, then what is causing the decline? It can't be the Apple Watch so what is it? Either the AirPods or Apple Watch aren't selling as good as Tim said?
 
Apple TV sales are down... no surprise there a very expensive device that doesn't do much unless you are locked into the iTunes eco system. I have around 40 movies on iTunes but thankfully my ATV 3 and 2's still work. Going forward I'm contemplating not buying from iTunes anymore. They need to lower the price.
 
The Watch is awesome and will only get better as more features are feasible. I can see it becoming a must-have for a certain demographic when more body tracking features are in place. And it only draws more people to the Apple ecosystem.
Anyone who can't see that is myopic.

If Apple continues to work on health advancements, I think the Apple Watch will continue to fluorish. That said, notifications can only go so far with the Apple Watch and isn't enough to sustain a future. The future lies with the health portion and physical improvements towards the casing, screen (Micro Led, larger variant) etc.
 
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It's a brilliant product. I was a skeptic before buying a Series 2, but now I would never be without it. I love it!

Amongst many many benefits, as a diabetic, I find it's a crucial motivator/coach in keeping me fit and active. It also looks and feels fabulous. It isn't perfect - it's sometimes a little laggy or 'buggy' from time to time, but it will only continue to get better. I firmly believe it's the way forward. I think future generations will laugh at the notion of keeping a massive computer (phone) in their pocket.
 
I use the Apple Watch everyday even though I was quite against the idea in the very beginning. Great to get an estimate on your calorie output and activity level day by day... but still incredible infant. Heart rate monitor is inaccurate most of the time, your activity isn't stored in iCloud for some reason and the damn watch crashes/restarts just as much as the first iPhone did.

No crashes here, never. Owning both Series 1 and 2. Go searching at your installed apps, perhaps one of it is buggy.
 
I just can't understand why don't they release an updated Apple TV with a A10 and a price in line with the competitors. It could be a huge success and a good gaming machine too.
 
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Health data not being stored in iCloud is a privacy policy, I believe. Personally I only do (encrypted) backups to my Mac, so my health data is stored.

Regarding crashes, this has never happened to me. Although of course that's not to say it can't happen, but if one's Watch is constantly crashing and restarting then there is an issue.
 
I don't get why anyone would buy an iPod any more. Why would anybody buy one in the last 3 years even?
[doublepost=1485942893][/doublepost]Would "Other" also include revenue from 3rd party hardware e.g. Withings ? Could that explain some of the discrepancy?
 
If Apple continues to work on health advancements, I think the Apple Watch will continue to fluorish. That said, notifications can only go so far with the Apple Watch and isn't enough to sustain a future. The future lies with the health portion and physical improvements towards the casing, screen (Micro Led, larger variant) etc.

I think it's about biosensors more than notifications. I love the promise of it and have been an admirer from afar. I have been a hold-out. but will probably buy this next version.
I think it's cool and I see the future and potential of it. It's a nascent device with further miniaturization and tech waiting for it and future iDevices.
Just like the iPhone, when all the pieces were in place, it blew up!
I see the same for the Watch.
 
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To all those that are calling BS on Tim Cook's statement ...

Stop. He's an officer of the company and has material information. If it were to come out that this is a lie, he's in deep trouble. He's not risking that just to pump up Awatch numbers, especially when they posted record revenues otherwise.

Now if you're saying that he's fudging the numbers and not really lying, then yeah, without the baseline numbers, you might want to take the statement with a grain of salt.

But me, I'll take his word over some analyst looking at shady supplier numbers and extrapolating sales estimates any day.
What would be the lie?

Anything he has said about it is entirely ambiguous and thus, entirely meaningless.
 
No real figures given = BS
So, they sold more than last year's holiday quarter when everybody thought last year's holiday quarter numbers were highly inflated by the hype of the still new-ish Apple Watch. That is the key message here.
 
No real figures given = BS

I don't get what people would do with AW sales numbers. Why does anybody need that?
If anybody would tell you the real pieces and $ value of AW sold it just means more useless info crammed into people's brains.

You either like the product and use it or not.

If you are an Apple shareholder you should only be concerned with the overall picture.
 
happy with mine even if i don't use it all day everyday. does everything a watch needs to do imo
 
I'm still holding on to my 1st gen watch waiting on gen 3.

Unless you're a swimmer like me, or really want the integrated GPS for running, the 1st Gen is likely going to be good enough for you for the next couple of years. The Series 3 (if rumors are correct), will only add a faster processor and slightly improved battery life.

I'd wait to see the sensors improve and the design get thinner.
 
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