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Again, one thing that seems constantly lost in debating is that artificial scarcity does NOT imply that there was no demand for the product in the first place.

The Apple Watch might very well be more in demand than all the Android wear models combined, by far ( and it seems to be the case ), and Apple may still want to drive the desire for it to even more stratospheric heights by constraining availability a bit upon launch... Wich I believe have been the case for most iOs products they launched..

The fact that you believe that was the case for iOS products is a bit ridiculous. We're talking about numbers that are an engineering feat in themselves to have been met.
 
It will be interesting to see if Apple posts sales numbers on the different models for launch day. I would guess 80% sport, 20% Watch and <1% Edition.

I was on the app at launch time and was able to place an order for the SS version with black sport band within the first few mins to confirm a Apr 24-May 8 two week delivery window.

However, I was not able to select in-store pick-up. I heard you could only do that from the website. Why not let you select that from the app if it appears to have that functionality built-in?

Now we just have to wait for the tracking numbers. Here is to hoping I get one on the 22nd.

Apple has earnings later this month (23rd I think) and I am almost certain they said they would not discuss sales of the Apple Watch for that earnings report - considering it won't actually release until the 24th, it makes some sense. Though I am sure many analysts will be making wild predictions from 1mm to 10mm.

Some of the late breaking news about being able to send and receive texts with no phone and over 1000 apps already submitted may have swayed more people into buying. Just a guess though...
 
There are different forms of scarcity. It's a very effective strategy to make something appear sold out, the people that were on the verge to buy now feel like the missed out. And when you send them an email saying "we just found another box of them then in the back, you're very lucky here is a chance to buy again. And don't miss out this time, because as you saw, we're serious about selling out." the prospect on the verge is very likely to buy.
You just provided a direct example of what Lars T. said. Not an alternative. Besides, when your a 3/4 Trillion dollar company, you don't need to get cute. You have product? You sell it and make more. The sales quarter will end soon and everyone internal to Apple as well as the investors rely on those numbers to justify their jobs, bonuses, and options. There is no upside to leaving anything in storage. At worst, you get cute and do so, more reviews and end users come out slamming your product, the bloom is off the rose and you now have a backed up pipeline and warehouses of unsold product that now go fire sale as interest has waned, not gotten better. The idea of falsely creating scarcity just makes no sense and would easily cost people jobs.
 
People that think Apple is limiting supply to create perceived demand are dummies. That does nothing but irritate customers and lose revenue. Many consumers don't like preordering and won't order if there isn't supply available. Even if Apple did do that, they wouldn't be pushing orders back to August. I don't know how any reasonable person thinks this is an intentional restriction.

Here is how it could be. Maybe they want to see what is popular before they ramp up production on those types that are in high demand.

Wouldn't that be something a reasonable person could suggest regarding an intentional restriction?
 
Waterpoofing a watch with a crown (stem) is tough. It's best done with a screw-down crown. However, when a crown is screwed down to seal it from water, it's not usable to twist & turn as necessary here for UI interaction (without unscrewing it, using it and then screwing it back down again). If you look at divers watches, this is pretty much THE way they achieve true waterproofing.

That's not the only way to do it but it's the best way. As such, I doubt Apple can go waterproof with this Watch unless they can evolve away from using the Crown for the UI as currently implemented.

When I say waterproof means not for divers but something like 10m to 30m max. I am a swimmer and surfer. I would love to track swimming as my daily activity. At some point Apple will figure this out. Most high end watches are waterproof to some degree so I do think this is something Apple have on their minds.
 
Do we really have to play this game every time there's a new Apple product?

"It won't sell."

… product sells out in hours …

"Apple are deliberately holding supply back."

… sales figures show they sold a metric crapton …

"It's only the loyal fanboys that bought them."

… next quarter shows sales growth …

"We've reached saturation point."

… continued sales growth …

… repeat for the next X years …

*sigh*

Lol. This is so true!
 
It will be interesting to see if Apple posts sales numbers on the different models for launch day. I would guess 80% sport, 20% Watch and <1% Edition

Apple has earnings later this month (23rd I think) and I am almost certain they said they would not discuss sales of the Apple Watch for that earnings report - considering it won't actually release until the 24th, it makes some sense. Though I am sure many analysts will be making wild predictions from 1mm to 10mm.

Some of the late breaking news about being able to send and receive texts with no phone and over 1000 apps already submitted may have swayed more people into buying. Just a guess though...

I am almost certain (because I have seen analyst complaints, lol) that even if they vaguely discuss sales, they never break down sales of a product. They never reveal the breakdown of iPhone sales (6 versus 6 plus etc), so they sure won't for the watch either. They will let us know how many sold opening weekend, or leading up to launch day, but that's all we will get.
 
The Apple Store App seemed to come up for preorders before the online store - had no issues at 12:01 PDT ordering two watches for April 24 delivery :)
Same here. No issues at all, set alarm for 11:55pm, woke up, ordered through Apple Store iPhone/iPad app, went back to bed within a few minutes. 4/24 to 5/8 delivery window.

*I've learned this from previous iPhone releases. Seems like the app is almost the only way to order to ensure release date/week delivery.
 
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so true....

They said the same thing about the iPhone 6 release.

I ordered my iPhone 6+ the morning of the release and was given a delivery date of 4 weeks. I ordered the SS Apple Watch with Black Classic Buckle the morning of the release and was given a delivery of 4-6 weeks. I do not believe that Apple had supply equal for the Watch as the iPhone but one had three colors and three memory sizes and the other had 3 versions and two sizes and many color combinations. Not sure any company would make millions in each variation in hopes it meets demand on everything.

Apple does use BigData analysis to try and determine demand and targets, but there are just too many versions to get the right number for supplies.

This is just my educated guess... which still means just a guess.
 
I don't really understand what draws so many people to this forum just to post anything from sarcastic hate thru angry get off my lawn fist shaking.

I especially don't understand why so many are desperately hoping and predicting a flop for this product.

If Apple do well with this, they will raise lots of money to help them make Apple products you do want to buy. No one is making anyone buy the Apple Watch.

Just because YOU don't want one, doesn't mean that the next person who does want one is an idiot.

I don't understand why so many people have such a defensive reaction to other people posting predictions of this product failing. Almost as if they are taking the Apple watch criticism personally.

Just because YOU want one, doesn't mean that the next person who doesn't want one is an idiot.
 
I guess you believe we never landed on the moon and that the evolution theory is crap too. If something doesn't fit your way of thinking there must be a conspiracy. :rolleyes:

Between those two, only the moon landing has been proven. The other is theory.
 
Crazy that people still think Apple artificially create stock shortages. They really have no clue what it takes to manufacture and ship so many complex items in such a short time.

Exactly, especially a whole new product. It's not like a iPhone X to iPhone XS, where most fof the tooling stays the same.
 
Do we really have to play this game every time there's a new Apple product?

"It won't sell."

… product sells out in hours …

"Apple are deliberately holding supply back."

… sales figures show they sold a metric crapton …

"It's only the loyal fanboys that bought them."

… next quarter shows sales growth …

"We've reached saturation point."

… continued sales growth …

… repeat for the next X years …

*sigh*

Apple never wins. If sales are underwhelming, people call it a flop. If they sell out rapidly, people criticize their supply chain.
 
I could be plausible they don't want to make too many, balancing the supply with the demand. But its a far cry from saying they are purposely withholding watches to appear more popular and trying to create demand. Tim Cook has stated in the past he does not purposely create a shortage for buzz. I don't see him doing it now.

Tim Cook knows what he is doing ;) apple are masters at this game. I just hope people that really want one, can get it ASAP . I ordered 2, and if I do not keep them, will offer them to people who really want them, that I know
 
HUh?

I don't understand why so many people have such a defensive reaction to other people posting predictions of this product failing. Almost as if they are taking the Apple watch criticism personally.

Just because YOU want one, doesn't mean that the next person who doesn't want one is an idiot.

No, the idiots are the people saying the Apple Watch is going to fail, no one should buy one, and that long shipping times are a result of artificial scarcity.
 
Here we go again with the "Apple sells out of _____ on opening day!!"

1)Define sold out today? Did Apple sell a million? 50,000?

2)They weren't even shipping until a full week later anyway

3)Apple (and other companies) are notorious for "selling out" on a new product launch so they can go tell the media and their press conferences how overjoyed they are and cannot keep up with demand. Yeah. Right. Apple announced the Watch 6+ months ago and couldn't seem to manufacture, say, 20 million in 6 months?

4)Apple sells out and instantly there won't be any more until at least 4-6 weeks from now?! 4-6 weeks is an eternity in the tech world.

5)4-6 weeks seems to indicate that Apple made very few Watches...so few that, gee, it will take at least 4-6 weeks for Apple to make more. My guess is Apple manufactured maybe 2 million Watches...again, that weren't even supposed to ship until next week anyway.


Don't get me wrong...it's great that Apple and Macrumors and other media outlets are tooting the horns that Apple sold out of the Watches...but let's be realistic in that this is simply advertising and under-manufacturing.
 
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I doubt they truly sold out. Its more likely Apple is holding back supply to create demand.

People who believe this are ridiculous. Apple only makes money if they sell stuff, and you can't "create" demand through scarcity - you create price bumps through scarcity.

Example: if the meth supply goes down, more people don't want to buy meth. What happens is those who want to buy meth pay more for it.

The fact is, it takes time to make things. This isn't cereal, where there's a huge pool of possible producers making a bunch of commodity items that people can stock in inventory for weeks. This is something brand new, made to relatively tight tolerances.
 
Please explain how they manage to under-produce AND sell record iPhones every release?

The numbers aren't out for the Watch yet so it remains to be seen if this pattern continues with this product.
 
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