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No shortage of Apple doubters. It has always been that way.

When Macintosh came out with graphic user interface and WYSIWYG word processing it was criticized for being too user-friendly for "serous" users.

When Apple pushed USB folks predicted failure because it wasn't as fast as SCSI.

Not that Apple is perfect but there will always be criticism for thinking different.
 
No, the idiots are the people saying the Apple Watch is going to fail, no one should buy one, and that long shipping times are a result of artificial scarcity.

Don't take their comments personally.
 
Besides, when your a 3/4 Trillion dollar company, you don't need to get cute. You have product? You sell it and make more. The sales quarter will end soon and everyone internal to Apple as well as the investors rely on those numbers to justify their jobs, bonuses, and options. There is no upside to leaving anything in storage. At worst, you get cute and do so, more reviews and end users come out slamming your product, the bloom is off the rose and you now have a backed up pipeline and warehouses of unsold product that now go fire sale as interest has waned, not gotten better. The idea of falsely creating scarcity just makes no sense and would easily cost people jobs.

Actually, "getting cute" is probably why Apple is still successful. Most companies , once they get super-big, become so convinced luck will never turn up on them, that they stop "getting cute". While Apple, despite becoming the 4 Trillions company they are, still acts as if it was a small startup that needs to constantly fuel your desire for her.

She ( He ) is like the lover that will still try to stay and look sexy even though you have now married her ( him ), instead of just staying all day in their pajamas now that they "got you" ...

The scarcity doesn't need an alternative. That sexy girl you're lusting after may just get even more sexy now that she plays "hard to get"...
Play too much "hard to get" and you might just discourage the consumer resulting in them buying a competing product. Play just enough "hard to get" and you will increase the desire for your product. Same with men/women..

Apple knows how to inject humanity in their products better than any other tech company in the world, but they also know how to play with human psychology when it gets to marketing..including creating just the right amount of artificial scarcity..
 
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Apple never wins. If sales are underwhelming, people call it a flop. If they sell out rapidly, people criticize their supply chain.

Amen to that... Apple seems to have record sales every single quarter so whatever they are doing, they are doing it better than any one of us could. We can argue all we want about what they should do better and if they listened to us, they would be laughing. Truthfully, is their anyone here that thinks they know better than Apple when it comes to supply and demand and selling? They charge whatever they want for everything they make and people can't wait to buy it even if they don't know why they want it. Even with long delays because of demand or perceived demand they sell even more product each quarter. My gawd, their profit last quarter was $18billion.
 
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Here we go again with the "Apple sells out of _____ on opening day!!"

1)Define sold out today? Did Apple sell a million? 50,000?

2)They weren't even shipping until a full week later anyway

3)Apple (and other companies) are notorious for "selling out" on a new product launch so they can go tell the media and their press conferences how overjoyed they are and cannot keep up with demand. Yeah. Right. Apple announced the Watch 6+ months ago and couldn't seem to manufacture, say, 20 million in 6 months?

4)Apple sells out and instantly there won't be any more until at least 4-6 weeks from now?! 4-6 weeks is an eternity in the tech world.

5)4-6 weeks seems to indicate that Apple made very, few Watches...so few that, gee, it will take at least 4-6 weeks for Apple to make more. My guess is Apple manufactured maybe 2 million Watches...again, that weren't even supposed to ship until next week anyway.


Don't get me wrong...it's great that Apple and Macrumors and other media outlets are tooting the horns that Apple sold out of the Watches...but let's be realistic in that this is simply advertising and under-manufacturing.

I understand where you are coming from, but whenever a product sells out, they sold out significantly more than the prior model. It would be a different story if the sell out was for sales that were flat or even declined a little. And for this, it is not like they had the manufacturing parts and machines from an iPhone 6 ready for a 6S. This is a new product category for them, and they very likely ran into manufacturing issues along the way. Do they really want to tell day one early adopters reserving that they can't get one until June on so many of the models? Probably not. June sounds farther away for an early adopter than most folks (this is something you said, and I completely agree).

I will admit I don't know a lot about the manufacturing process, but I thought that their reveal of the watch months ago was more to be in control of the reveal, rather than it coming from a leak. By showing early, they controlled the image from the beginning.

This is the first product I buy in years that I don't reserve one week and get it the next Friday. That's what I'm used to. Here we have a 2 week lead time - not bad, but any longer and their day one pushes into May (much later than analysts expected, and makes for an awkward fiscal quarter phone call later this month). Or possibly June to meet demand based on the Apple Store estimates now? I would guess that they needed (really wanted) to get this out and decided their supply was good enough, manufacturing issues resolved enough, to release. So I also agree with your guess that they made very few watches, but I don't think it was all for hype. They would be pushing it way too much, making people wait a ridiculous amount of time. A fine line, dangerous game that I don't think they'd push it that much.

EDIT: I posted this elsewhere but thought it was appropriate here.
I think the most telling is that even the 12:01 buyers saw a message of "4/24-5/8". The first buyers aren't guaranteed day one? If even the very first buyers were given a range, then isn't this a sure sign of manufacturing issues they have had, but still insisted to keep this launch date?
 
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No shortage of Apple doubters. It has always been that way.

When Macintosh came out with graphic user interface and WYSIWYG word processing it was criticized for being too user-friendly for "serous" users.

When Apple pushed USB folks predicted failure because it wasn't as fast as SCSI.

Not that Apple is perfect but there will always be criticism for thinking different.

I love Apple products, especially Macs and Apple TV. I got my first Mac in 1995, and haven't ever wanted to go back.

That said, Apple has made plenty of crappy products and services. They are not all winners.
 
On Twitter Ben Bajarin says he thinks Apple had at least 2M available for launch, claiming supply chain data. Will be curious to see if he's right or not. My guess is we'll get our answer if Apple chooses to announce sales figures. If they were able to sell in the millions you'd think Cook would want to say something. But if it's only a half million or something my guess is Apple would say nothing.
 
I was attempting to get in the store at 12:01 and finally got in around 12:05 or so. The sport watch was already listing 4-6 weeks.

I seriously doubt the shipping time was ever anything other than 4-6 weeks on that model (space grey). I can't imagine the initial batch was gone within the first seconds of being able to log-in.
 
No shortage of Apple doubters. It has always been that way.

When Macintosh came out with graphic user interface and WYSIWYG word processing it was criticized for being too user-friendly for "serous" users.

When Apple pushed USB folks predicted failure because it wasn't as fast as SCSI.

Not that Apple is perfect but there will always be criticism for thinking different.

I don't recall Apple pushing USB. Windows95 is what catapulted USB into adoption...because Apple computers accounted for 5-10% of the personal computer market back in the mid to late 90s. Also, SCSI vs. USB is a terrible comparison...the 2 technologies were/are made for completely different use cases and types of devices and even customer.
 
I've read them all, not a single post like that.

Those posts are coming I assure you.

On Twitter Ben Bajarin says he thinks Apple had at least 2M available for launch, claiming supply chain data. Will be curious to see if he's right or not. My guess is we'll get our answer if Apple chooses to announce sales figures. If they were able to sell in the millions you'd think Cook would want to say something. But if it's only a half million or something my guess is Apple would say nothing.

Well it brings up the issue of SKUs, etc. Did Apple correctly allot the right # of units per SKU for launch. As interesting to how many sold will be the division.
 
Scarcity of bands, not watches?

Isn't it weird that the ship times were different for the various configurations of watches? Doesn't it mean that it's the bands that are scarce and not the actual watches? The fact that the ship times for bands (without watches) are back to May would support that theory.

I suppose it could be that they had pre-determined how many watches they would package for each configuration, and that was the reason for the varied ship times. But with two weeks until the first deliveries, they would have time to adjust the packaging of watches with bands, so I feel like it must be a band shortage that is holding things up. If that's what's happening, I find it really odd. Wouldn't the bands be the easiest parts to make?
 
I guess you believe we never landed on the moon and that the evolution theory is crap too. If something doesn't fit your way of thinking there must be a conspiracy. :rolleyes:

I am not sure about the moon landing stuff, but I do think there is solid evidence on evolution.

On the topic...yes the watch sold out which is good for Apple. Hopefully this could spark some real competition in the wearables market.
 
Anyone in the UK managed to get a look at the gold versions? Just wondering if Apple have them hallmarked.

On the website none of them apear to be. Would have thought Apple legal would know it is illegal to advertise something as "Gold" when it isn't hallmarked.
 
Apparently in Australia, the first date in the range is dd/mm, and the last date is mm/dd. That must take some getting used to, for both Americans and Europeans.
You are wrong about Australians. Australia uses dd/mm. That's the official way of doing it here. If people want to not stick to this, their issue. This not sticking to conventions here is very rare indeed.

I'm Australian and I use dd/mm or dd/mm/yy or yyyy everywhere. In that order. This is when using all numbers. When you're using the month as a word like 4th June or June 4th, that doesn't matter as it's easy to work out which is the month. I've seen people do either with the word month from all round the world.
 
I haven't read all the posts in this thread. But tell me - have we had any posters noticeably upset because something they've never had before is suddenly something they are entitled to have on the day of launch vs having some patience and waiting?

Hey. I know that patience is a good thing, but when you are excited about a product, I can see being disappointed that you didn't get it on launch.

However if you really wanted it that bad, you would have gotten up somewhere between midnight and 3pm and pre-ordered the iWatch.
 
Haha yes, I always have my bodyguard with me when I walk around with my Giuseppes. :rolleyes:

Anyways, who's putting off their pre-order until they get a good bodyguard?

I guess some people like to pretend they are rich while outside but live really poor. I'd do that if I had the opportunity. I don't care for a flash apartment when I'm outside a lot of the time.
 
I think the most telling is that even the 12:01 buyers saw a message of "4/24-5/8". The first buyers aren't guaranteed day one? If even the very first buyers were given a range, then isn't this a sure sign of manufacturing issues they have had, but still want to keep this launch date? And NOT artificial constaining of supply to create demand?
 
Those posts are coming I assure you.



Well it brings up the issue of SKUs, etc. Did Apple correctly allot the right # of units per SKU for launch. As interesting to how many sold will be the division.

I dont think anyone is surprised by a first day sellout from an apple product. It's not truly indicative of anything other than there are eager beavers willing to give this a shot (and good, the more that get out now the better for the entire industry)

I'm just curious though about the "scarcity". I don't think Apple held back like some nutjobs who want to find conspiracy in everything,

But do we know the numbers of availability? We heard estimate that 5m were ordered for launch, but what we dont know is what the breakdown of that is. we also dont' know how many of those are elsewhere in the pipeline, shipped to stores and possible 3rd party. for all we know, Apple only had 1m of those 5 available for today's purchase, which means, for everyone who complaining about not getting one on pre-order, maybe there's a chance on the 24th, you'll still have availability in store (or a few days after).
 
I am so flipping pissed that I stayed up to buy one and fell asleep at 2:00 AM ET and woke up at 4 AM ET. LOL. 1 hour late.

I did order a black sport, but of course got the 4-6 weeks time frame.

I did stay up an placed my order at 2:03 am. Still got 4-6 weeks shipping. At least you got an extra hour of sleep.
 
However if you really wanted it that bad, you would have gotten up somewhere between midnight and 3pm and pre-ordered the iWatch.

Apple Watch.
Apple is slowly moving away from i. i is no longer the cool hip trend. It's just used by many companies now.
 
Not that Apple is perfect but there will always be criticism for thinking different.

Criticism for thinking different is the same as not having a vision for the future because anything new is always criticised for being different.
 
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