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I thought my eyesight was getting worse with age 😂 (I'm 32) but I couldn't see a thing with night mode on even when I went out at night time.
Yeah, I’m hoping they get this back to how it was on Ultra1 on 16. I had no issues but on U2 and 17, it’s horrible.
 
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I don't know if it is because I am running the new Beta or not, but I legit still can't notice an issue on my U2.
 
I don't know if it is because I am running the new Beta or not, but I legit still can't notice an issue on my U2.
You probably have good enough vision to see whatever defaults Apple set. Not everyone has the same sensitivity to light.

I never run Apple Betas, so I'm at whatever general release they have.
 
Because it's only an issue when it goes into night mode with the red display.
It is an issue when the room is dim for people that are probably over 50. We naturally lose the contrast and sharpness in our vision as we age. I don't wear glasses during the day, but if I try to read something in a restaurant in the evening, I either need to shut the light on it, or put on readers. For me, this is the issue with this watch. I don't wanna have to put my glasses on to read my watch. It should be bright enough that I don't need to.
 
I received my new ultra two Apple Watch yesterday, very beautiful piece of hardware. Unfortunately, as the sun sat, and the house got a bit dimmer inside, the watch got even more dim. In low light conditions, it is not legible. I thought I was probably missing a setting, so I spent some time on the phone with Apple support. The only setting that's really available is the brightness slider, which was all the way up. My question for the Support agent was to let me know, is Apple aware of the issue, and do they have a plan to rectify it. To my dismay, the response was that Apple is aware, and their position is that the watch is working as it was designed, and there is no planned fix for this. Again, to them, this is the way it's supposed to work??? This would be a significant design oversight in my humble opinion, as probably anyone over 50 years old is going to struggle to read dim text in the light. I guess this was designed for the young folks, the sharp eyes. Two thumbs down for Apple on this one, we will be returning our watch now. I thought I would post this here to see if anyone else has found a workaround to this ambient light sensor issue.
 
Very interesting, I posted the message below on the Apple forum, and it was removed because they didn't like it. I simply stated that the watch was dim. They said it was not constructive :).

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https://www.eagleeyes.com/blogs/news/does-night-driving-get-harder-as-you-age#:~:text=Often, changes in eyesight are,30-year-old does.

I received my ultra two yesterday, beautiful piece of hardware, but very quickly learned that in dim light, it's almost impossible for me to read it. I have good vision and daylight, and even into dusk. But for most of us that are over 50. We need a lot more more Light now than we did when we were 20 in low ambient conditions. So for me, the issue is not with the night mode, I can't see that at all with the red. But it's simply the dimming of the screen and low ambient light. Which is the opposite of what most of us over 50 need.

Here is a quote from eyecare specialists:

"Like many activities we take for granted in our youth, driving at night becomes more difficult as we age, simply because our eyes (like the rest of our muscles) are changing. Often, changes in eyesight are gradual enough that we may not realize the significance -- but in reality, a 50-year-old typically needs twice as much light to see well at night than a 30-year-old does."

I spent about 45 minutes on the phone with Apple support this morning, what I was really trying to understand, is whether Apple intends to do anything about it. According to her, they are aware of the issue, at their position is that the watch is functioning as it was designed, and there is no planned fix. This was, of course, disappointing to hear, I have an entire ecosystem of Apple products laying around this office :). With that said, if it's not going to be fixed, then I will have to return this product, first time for everything. I hope Apple starts doing user acceptance testing with all demographics and age groups before launching products, even more importantly before they design them.

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Very interesting, I posted the message below on the Apple forum, and it was removed because they didn't like it. I simply stated that the watch was dim. They said it was not constructive :).
Now that totally ticks me off. (not you -- Apple's response) They REALLY need to fix this.
 
Very interesting, I posted the message below on the Apple forum, and it was removed because they didn't like it. I simply stated that the watch was dim. They said it was not constructive :).

Disappointing of Apple Support Community Staff to respond that way.

I think the way forward is for multiple (hopefully many) people to log feedback about this issue with Apple via https://www.apple.com/feedback/ – I have just done so regarding this issue on my Series 9.
 
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Just because a new screen can go really really dim, doesn't make that a great feature. When I heard about this new "dimness" thing prior to release I though then that it would be useless. It never occurred to me that you couldn't manually change it. In any case the "dimness" is unusable for a lot of us and needs to have a fix asap. Come on Apple, if nothing else put it on an accessibility menu for god's sake!

By the way, the red picture at the front of this thread is NOT the dimness we are complaining about.
 
Disappointing of Apple Support Community Staff to respond that way.

I think the way forward is for multiple (hopefully many) people to log feedback about this issue with Apple via https://www.apple.com/feedback/ – I have just done so regarding this issue on my Series 9.
I did my part, but I've never seen submitting feedback ever accomplish anything.
 
10.1 Beta 3 released today, still garbage. Nothing fixed.

Does anyone want to contact the batterygate class action lawyers?

We have been sold devices that Apple is intentionally limiting the display brightness making them unusable 50% of the day with no functionality to be adjusted by the end user. Despite bold claims of “the brightest screen ever on a watch” users are fixed to stick at 1 nit brightness to support Apples claims of 48 hour battery life.

This is like making the “brightest light bulb in the world” but it is limited by software to stay at 1% brightness at night and 100% in the daytime.

This sounds like a class action lawsuit to me.
 
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Not to discount this issue...but do people know how eyes work? If you move from a bright room to a dark room, you aren't going to see dim lights for a few seconds/minutes as your eyes acclimate to the new brightness levels. I also suspect people could be looking at max brightness iPhones or a TV in dark rooms, then looking at a 1/2 nit watch display.

Just don't want these people to force apple to ruin my 2 nit night mode which is one of my favorite ultra features.

Add an accessibility setting to force a minimum brightness level, problem solved.
I’ve looked through the Accessibility settings and I can’t find a way to enable/force a minimum brightness on my watch. Would you be willing to tell me how to do this? Thank you.
 
I’ve looked through the Accessibility settings and I can’t find a way to enable/force a minimum brightness on my watch. Would you be willing to tell me how to do this? Thank you.
Sure!

Settings > general > display and brightness

Enjoy the 3 levels of brightness all useless
 
Best work around:

Set action button to flashlight.
Cup hand over display.
Press action button
Wait 5 seconds
Press action button again

You now get about 10 seconds of a very bright display.

Not sure to laugh or cry, but what I am using.
 
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This just needs to be fixed! Mods are deleting posts about this dimness over at Apple Forum.
 
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Goes down to 1 nit at night which was the point. I think the solution should be that it only drops this low if the watch is in sleep focus. In general low light conditions the display needs to be brighter.
My thoughts exactly. 1 nit usage should literally only be for waking up in the middle of the night. No other reason for the watch to be that dim in a normal setting.
 
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Same here, while in bright light it's totally fine, in low light it's just too dark.
Sometimes the display doesn't get brighter when activated in low light ... it dims 🤣 (compared to standby)
And night mode is enabled too early for me. I'm sitting on the couch, watching a movie/series with dimmed lights (to about 60 %) and night mode turns on ...
 
and now they say it has pulsing screen issues? I guess I have seen this as well now that I think about what was going on with it.
 
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