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Apple Watch Uses Chip Manufactured on Samsung's 28-Nanometer Process

mi7chy said:
You meant to say TSMC 20nm isn't necessarily lower power than Samsung 28nm and that's why Apple went with Samsung. Samsung 14nm is significantly lower power than both but it's reserved for Samsung's next standalone watch with built in cell call and data but with much better battery life than Apple Watch that requires being tethered to phone.
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Nice, another data plan monthly expense. Glad Apple doesn't impose that.
 
Oh wait I thought the internals of the Apple Watch were going to be user upgradable. I can't wait until they ship us new S2 and S3 chips in the future.
 
mi7chy said:
You meant to say TSMC 20nm isn't necessarily lower power than Samsung 28nm and that's why Apple went with Samsung. Samsung 14nm is significantly lower power than both but it's reserved for Samsung's next standalone watch with built in cell call and data but with much better battery life than Apple Watch that requires being tethered to phone.
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Phone calls and cellular data with a 300 mah battery??
Are you joking??

Cellular power consumption has nothing to do with cpu.
 
citysnaps said:
Nice, another data plan monthly expense. Glad Apple doesn't impose that.
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You can optionally run it on WIFI and there's even a WIFI only version if you can't afford the cell+WIFI version. For someone who likes the freedom of being untethered from phone the cell version is priceless.
 
Apple Watch CPU has an Apple designed Cpu.
So it's an APPLE CPU non a Samsung CPU.
The title is wrong.

Samsung is only the manufacturer.
 
Unless the 42-SS-LB starts shipping soon, it might indeed make sense to cancel and wait for the next generation...
 
This must be such an interesting job for all those chip people that Apple hired way back when. There isn't a lot of call to make chips in real life, especially at this kind of scale. They must be loving it.
 
mi7chy said:
Explains the poor 2 to 3 hour screen on time of Apple Watch. Apple is going to be at a disadvantage being stuck on 28nm or even TSMC 20nm if Samsung maxes out capacity of 14nm for their own products.
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I think with the screen on, it is the one which consumes more energy than the CPU.
 
SvK said:
So.....

You are holding a bag in your right hand while in public; You receive a text, so you use your free hand to retrieve your phone, read the text, and reply.

.......how do I do that with the watch, without putting the bag down?
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You hold the bag with your teeth, put it under your arm, balance it on you head......

Where there is a will there is a way.
 
The performance on my Watch has been better than I expected. The spinning wheel for 3rd party apps only appears for 3-5 seconds which goes by much quicker in person. The only time it sometimes lags a bit is when I am scrolling around in the home screen. But overall this is such a solid first gen product
 
firewood said:
A 28-nm chip possibly has lower leakage than the newer, smaller geometry processes, and thus might provide better battery life.
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Not necessary lower leakage. It's the leakage that prevents the technology from getting smaller... and once they solve that, they can advance. With Samsung at 14nm now... that is HALF the size of 28nm.... !

The amount of power that will be packed into future Apple Watches is going to be amazing.... the future is here.
 
mi7chy said:
Explains the poor 2 to 3 hour screen on time of Apple Watch. Apple is going to be at a disadvantage being stuck on 28nm or even TSMC 20nm if Samsung maxes out capacity of 14nm for their own products.
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your nuts if you think the battery life is poor, relative to other smart watches. i have one and it lasts all day. i charge it next to my bed at night, just like my phone. no problems there.
 
mi7chy said:
You meant to say TSMC 20nm isn't necessarily lower power than Samsung 28nm and that's why Apple went with Samsung. Samsung 14nm is significantly lower power than both but it's reserved for Samsung's next standalone watch with built in cell call and data but with much better battery life than Apple Watch that requires being tethered to phone.
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Dream on. Samsung Semiconductor is an independent business unit that would quickly kill itself if they do not handle all their customers the same. The new 14nm Apple A9 is being manufactured by Samsung in Texas and you can be sure that a 14nm Sx is already on its way.. Like with the phones, any Samsung product is 2 or 3 steps behind. A simple consequence of copy/paste product design..
 
callea said:
Apple Watch CPU has an Apple designed Cpu.
So it's an APPLE CPU non a Samsung CPU.
The title is wrong.

Samsung is only the manufacturer.
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People in this country just don't understand what manufacturing is any more! It isn't a coincidence that these chip factories are called foundries as they operate just like the old iron foundries where they cast (build) parts for other manufactures. A form of subcontracting if you will.
 
SvK said:
So.....

You are holding a bag in your right hand while in public; You receive a text, so you use your free hand to retrieve your phone, read the text, and reply.

.......how do I do that with the watch, without putting the bag down?
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You hold your bag in your left hand which has the :apple: Watch on the wrist and use your right hand to reply to the text message - the text message that you didnt miss because you felt the notification rather than missing the notification because you didnt feel the vibration of your phone in your pocket.

Or do you live somewhere where you can only carry bags in your right hand?
 
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"Among the more interesting discoveries Chipworks has made is the manufacturing process for the APL0778 application processor (CPU/GPU) on the S1 chip. It was made with Samsung's 28 nanometer LP process, which, as Ars Technica points out, is no longer cutting edge technology."

oh well.. easy come, easy go..

I know tech moves faster than a fly, but sill *not cutting edge*

So then technically, Apple isn't really lying either, yet their not telling the truth either, since it was "cutting edge" at one point.... just not now....:D
 
Tech198 said:
"Among the more interesting discoveries Chipworks has made is the manufacturing process for the APL0778 application processor (CPU/GPU) on the S1 chip. It was made with Samsung's 28 nanometer LP process, which, as Ars Technica points out, is no longer cutting edge technology."

oh well.. easy come, easy go..
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Why waste money on cutting edge when you know the faithful will purchase it blindly?
 
firewood said:
14nm isn't necessarily lower-power.
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No need to reply to that guy. He has been trolling throughout all the hardware forums.
Like HardOCP's mobile section.

I got a feeling he is one of the hired writer for Samsung.... :p
 
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