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Apple holding back to increase profit margin and ensure they have something for next year. The oldest trick in the apple book!

Yeah because there is nothing else they could possibly add to the watch to make for a compelling upgrade. And a possibly poor experience with gen 1 is going to make everyone rush out to buy gen 2. :rolleyes:
 
Are you sure about that? Last i heard Dyson dropped their suit against Samsung and are now being sued for defamation.

Following the latest salvo from Samsung, Dyson said in a statement: “Dyson pioneered cyclonic vacuum cleaners and digital motors – and has been developing them ever since. We patent our technology, and naturally defend it. It is surprising that a company over 100 times bigger than Dyson is so worried. The patent system offers us some protection but not enough: with an army of lawyers, hidden prior art is occasionally found and ways to design around existing patents identified.”
 
Life under Tim Cook.

Steve would have thrown a Mac mini at him for suggesting something so stupid.

The Taptic Engine steals, at least, 100mah from our battery # Is it "really" needed...

And yes, the Apple Watch has essentially the same innards as all Android Wear watches. If it weren't an Apple product, it wouldn't be called "a feat" of engineering. Even though Android OEM's beat them to it by a year. Not entirely sure how many Wear watches have heart rate sensors though?

Well John Gruber says the Watch would not be compelling if it didn't have the taptic engine. It is one of the biggest selling features of the watch and something that is unique to the Watch. Go ask current Watch owners if they'd give it up and I'll be most would say no.
 
Good thing for Apple that the Evil Samsung exist, else they wouldn't be able to build a single gadget...
 
So.....

You are holding a bag in your right hand while in public; You receive a text, so you use your free hand to retrieve your phone, read the text, and reply.

.......how do I do that with the watch, without putting the bag down?

Simple: "Hey Siri".

Siri is what brings this device together and really makes it work.

And if you don't want to use Siri? Well... just because you have a watch doesn't mean you aren't permitted to continue to use your phone with your free hand. The watch gives you the notifications from your phone in a more obvious, yet less obtrusive way - so it still has some value.
 
Anyone checked if the BCM43342 chip they're using has changed from the 40nm process of the BCM4334? Wonder if they've got special 28nm versions of the components they've used or the SIP.

Kinda regardless - for a ~1 inch square (26 mm x 28 mm) shape, they've put a lot on.

Is the wireless charger *that* small? (IDT P9022 on bottom right of SIP) - presumably some other components that work with it? Curious to see if/when this or something like resonant charging trickles down to iPads and iPhones - the iPhone Plus size should more than enough size for it.
 
Its a custom apple chip manufactured by Samsung, not a Samsung chip, but nevermind.

Its nice to know that the next gen Apple Watch may come with a 14nm chip inside which translate in a huge margin for improvements, especially in power consumption and available space to stuck even more sensors or improve others. Like Jony Ive said "we are actually just at the begining of making technology truely personal".

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Saying "Hey Siri" would activate Siri...

I thought your phone had to be plugged in for hey siri to work
 
Following the latest salvo from Samsung, Dyson said in a statement: “Dyson pioneered cyclonic vacuum cleaners and digital motors – and has been developing them ever since. We patent our technology, and naturally defend it. It is surprising that a company over 100 times bigger than Dyson is so worried. The patent system offers us some protection but not enough: with an army of lawyers, hidden prior art is occasionally found and ways to design around existing patents identified.”

Thats funny, that is a statement from an Article about Samsung suing Dyson. You said Samsung is being sued by Dyson, Dyson is not currently suing them.

http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2014-02/17/dyson-samsung-lawsuit

"Last August Dyson issued proceedings against Samsung for a patented appliance steering mechanism on its MotoSync range, which it claimed the Korean manufacturer was infringing. When Samsung's lawyers presented prior art, which it maintained belonged to the company, Dyson was forced to withdraw the action that had been filed. It could not pursue the claim due to loopholes in the patent system."


Do you know the difference between past, present and future tense? Samsung is not being currently sued by Dyson, as Dyson withdrew there suit. Samsung is now suing Dyson as they claim the initial suit was frivolous.
 
Because they know the faithful will purchase it blindly.
The press will tout it the best watch ever (without ever using it)

And most importantly, Apple will add billions more because people are generally stupid.

Why are you here again? Besides to be a jealous troll? I "blindly" purchased my Apple Watch, but I'll be damn if I'm not "blindly" loving the piss out of it. Easily the best smart watch on the market and it's not even a contest. Have fun with Android Wear. Lol

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I thought your phone had to be plugged in for hey siri to work

Nope. Just turn watch towards you to light up face and say "Hey Siri." I use it constantly and love my Space Gray Sport. I leave my phone wherever I want at home and send messages, answer calls, etc. using Siri.
 
Thats funny, that is a statement from an Article about Samsung suing Dyson. You said Samsung is being sued by Dyson, Dyson is not currently suing them.

http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2014-02/17/dyson-samsung-lawsuit

"Last August Dyson issued proceedings against Samsung for a patented appliance steering mechanism on its MotoSync range, which it claimed the Korean manufacturer was infringing. When Samsung's lawyers presented prior art, which it maintained belonged to the company, Dyson was forced to withdraw the action that had been filed. It could not pursue the claim due to loopholes in the patent system."


Do you know the difference between past, present and future tense? Samsung is not being currently sued by Dyson, as Dyson withdrew there suit. Samsung is now suing Dyson as they claim the initial suit was frivolous.

I understand what you wrote. I posted a quote from Dyson in response to the Samsung suit.

Didn't think I needed to point out the obvious but this is the internet I guess.
 
Seeing as Samsung are being sued Dyson about their vacuums then I don't see much morals for other parts of Samsungs businesses

You see that is present tense, this is not true and your statement is misleading.

I understand what you wrote. I posted a quote from Dyson in response to the Samsung suit.

Didn't think I needed to point out the obvious but this is the internet I guess.


Maybe it is obvious that your first statement incorrect by mistake or a lie , not sure as this is the internet I guess.
 
Explains the poor 2 to 3 hour screen on time of Apple Watch. Apple is going to be at a disadvantage being stuck on 28nm or even TSMC 20nm if Samsung maxes out capacity of 14nm for their own products.

TSMC has a 16nm process. Apple is supposedly using both Samsung and TSMC for the A9.
 
Life under Tim Cook.

Steve would have thrown a Mac mini at him for suggesting something so stupid.

The Taptic Engine steals, at least, 100mah from our battery # Is it "really" needed...

And yes, the Apple Watch has essentially the same innards as all Android Wear watches. If it weren't an Apple product, it wouldn't be called "a feat" of engineering. Even though Android OEM's beat them to it by a year. Not entirely sure how many Wear watches have heart rate sensors though?

lol thanks for the laugh, you obviously don't have an Apple Watch. The Taptic engine is a major part of the appeal of this product.

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I thought your phone had to be plugged in for hey siri to work

It does, the watch however does not.
 
A 28-nm chip possibly has lower leakage than the newer, smaller geometry processes, and thus might provide better battery life.

Doubt it. This has never been an issue on iPhones or iPads, why would an older, larger chip suddenly become more efficient when it's in a watch? Leakage isn't really an issue at the clock speeds and currents that these processors work on.
 
I'd like to get used to my new watch please before we start talking about the next one. Apple can't even fulfil the current orders and here we are talking about the next one. Of course it will come but lets see what we can do with current model first, let everybody enjoy their purchases and stop worrying about the next one :rolleyes:

This is MacRumors. You should know that as soon as a Apple product is released, especially a first generation, rumors about the improvements that the next gen will get start to come out. Apple Watch 2 improvements/new features: 14nm, improved battery life/performance, maybe a couple of new sensors that may have been considered for the 1st gen Apple Watch but were cut, new design, etc. I'm sure you'll be ready to upgrade/add to your Apple Watch collection next year if the improvements are significant enough.
 
Do they use their own CPUs in any of their phones? (Not being snarky, I don't know).


Gear and Gear 2 used Exynos, so a Samsung chip.
Gear S uses a Snapdragon 400. (Dual core, which makes you wonder WTF they need a second core for). This is (big drumroll,...) a 28nm chip, so so much for that "28nm results in crappy smart watches" theory.

Gear S was released in November last year and seems to have disappeared without a trace. (Seriously, do a google search. There are remarkably few reviews of the thing.) I guess the Apple haters will tell us that's because it runs Tizen rather than Android wear, but for a device that gives the people what they supposedly want (built-in cellular connectivity, so no tethering needed), very few people actually seem to CARE enough to BUY it.

The most interesting thing about Galaxy Gear (2 and S) is the battery life. They have a larger battery (300mAh vs Apple's 200 mAh) and get "approximately two days of moderate use". The specs seem to be about the same as Apple's (apart from the crazy dual core). I'm guessing it's not that much (or any) more efficient than Apple's device, that the longer battery life is a combination of an additional 50% battery and a vagueness about what Apple vs Samsung consider moderate use.
The cost of the larger battery is a MUCH larger device. 20% thicker and (eyeballing it) close to 2x the area.

If those are the physical constraints right now, I think Apple made the right call. Most people are going to far prefer the smaller Apple device (for NOW --- things will change once we stop thinking of these as watches and start thinking of them as computers) to the size of Gear S, and if you can't get battery to reliably provide something like "2 to 3 days substantial usage", you're going to charge every day anyway, just to be safe.
 
Only those who don't realize that the Samsung that makes our chips is as a company very far removed from the Samsung that copies mobile phones.

Yes and no. The divisions are separate, but profit from each division is channeled back to the corporate parent. If Samsung Mobile is losing money there is a good chance profit from another division will prop it up until it regains profitability.

I personally think both companies deep down like each other and the whole "lawsuit and copying thing" is just made up drama to get the fan base all worked up on both sides.
 
Gear S was released in November last year and seems to have disappeared without a trace.

I think it's got a bit of a cult following. After all, it wasn't really advertised. For that matter, compared to Apple Watch coverage, nothing else got any comparable press.

The cost of the larger battery is a MUCH larger device. 20% thicker and (eyeballing it) close to 2x the area.

That's backwards. The larger battery space is a consequence of having a larger device and display, not the other way around.

It also doesn't make any sense to compare the Gear S, which has cellular communications and big display, with any other wrist device that does not. It's in a class by itself, as far as main-line manufacturer models go.
 
So.....

You are holding a bag in your right hand while in public; You receive a text, so you use your free hand to retrieve your phone, read the text, and reply.

.......how do I do that with the watch, without putting the bag down?

Raise your left arm, peck at the watch with your nose. :rolleyes:

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Why waste money on cutting edge when you know the faithful will purchase it blindly?

Omega produced a different type of movement in their mechanical watches known as co-axial. Essentially it replaces a part that normally ticks back and forth with a special ratchet wheel that keeps rotating in the same direction.

For an encore they developed a silicon balance spring that is not susceptible to damage by a magnet, like many watches would be.

The co-axial technology is instrumental in ensuring that the movement does not need to be serviced as regularly as a conventional mechanical watch because friction and the need for lubrication is greatly reduced.

Yet Rolex, with their older technology, happily continue selling their watches for $10K, $20K, $35K and beyond. And sell close to a million units a year.

There is no rule that says people will only buy a product that uses the very latest bleeding edge technology. Apple has often hung back and made their products attractive in ways other than necessarily being at the very cutting edge.

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Congratulations, your new Apple Watch is already obsolete even before it is shipped to you. Enjoy! :D

All new technology is obsolete by the time you get it or shortly after.

That's the fun thing about technology. But what's your solution? Never buy anything?
 
Yes and no. The divisions are separate, but profit from each division is channeled back to the corporate parent. If Samsung Mobile is losing money there is a good chance profit from another division will prop it up until it regains profitability.

I personally think both companies deep down like each other and the whole "lawsuit and copying thing" is just made up drama to get the fan base all worked up on both sides.

All tactics and make believe really, money is much more important than ego.

They conspire secretly but maintain the hatred facade.
 
You meant to say TSMC 20nm isn't necessarily lower power than Samsung 28nm and that's why Apple went with Samsung. Samsung 14nm is significantly lower power than both but it's reserved for Samsung's next standalone watch with built in cell call and data but with much better battery life than Apple Watch that requires being tethered to phone.

More likely Samsung will prioritize its phone chips on the 14nm process over watches, as phone sales are far more important. First priority is with the Galaxy S6, and I'm guessing the Apple A9 is right after that.

That said, eventually there will be capacity to build Apple Watch chips on the 14nm process. It's a separate division that builds chips, and they aren't going to refuse a big order from Apple.
 
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