But it's not the lack of constant on watch face that keeps them from ditching their conventional watch. That might be your personal reasoning, but it's a weak argument.
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But it's not the lack of constant on watch face that keeps them from ditching their conventional watch. That might be your personal reasoning, but it's a weak argument.
MH01
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So I have A hobby of collecting Watches and My personal preference is a weak argument??
As apposed to you who reflects the view of the majority of users? Lol
Stop talking for others and telling people you debate with that their personal opinion is weak cause you disagree.
Bet you do not even own a rolex, but hey speak for all of us who own both a rolex and an AW.....
I wasn't saying your personal opinion is wrong, but that the lack of constant on watch face on the AW is a weak reason as to why most mechanical watch owners aren't considering the AW. Among the stronger reasons would be craftsmanship, prestige, history, sentimental value, etc. associated with their current mechanical watch.
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Fair enough.
I love seeing the mechanical movement of the hands on a watch and the ticking, the AW has a place in my collection, but I would never compare to say a rolex.
It really frustrates me to have to wake a watch to see the time. A limitation of battery tech, which will go away once battery life improves, not a good usability experience.
Yes, the mechanical whirring of the watch and movement of the hands has its own fascination, and no digital analog can completely synthesize that (unless you are like me and can visualize all sorts of interesting code that might be sweeping that second hand around). There are other charming / delightful things in Apple Watch, though subtle as they may be, such as the pleasant "snick" of placing the watch on the magnetic charging disc, or the way the digital crown gives an peculiar haptic sensation at the top or bottom of a list.
I actually kind of take delight in bringing the watch into view and having the face light up to greet me. It's like a magic trick. Come to think of it, the Apple Watch almost seems alive to me. It's like seeing glowing tail / marker lights on a vehicle. Somehow that breathes life into an inanimate object.
Maybe it is just different perspective, glass-half-empty vs. glass-half-full?
Mac 128
macrumors 603
Google Glass didn't take off because people didn't like the concept of a heads up display, it's because they were butt-ugly. And people who didn't wear glasses would have to wear them, just like people who don't like something strapped to their wrist would have to strap on an Watch. If there were another option, they would likely take it. And there will be other options.
So it's out for the Watch too. I still don't get your point with this remark.
You mentioned several potential technologies as the future of wearables (eyeglasses on which you can view notifications and a ear plug where you can listen to them), but how would you respond to them if not dictation? People want to be able to respond to notifications (as they're able to do on the AW), not merely listen to them.
Night Spring
macrumors P6
I totally agree with this! I find myself flicking my wrist up and down just so I can watch the watch come on and off. 😛
I think that is where Apple was going with the Motion watch faces... they are beautiful, and I tried them for a while, but I want a bit more information with the complications. Too bad they didn't see fit to allow complications on the Motion faces, or integrate the idea of the motion face with analog hands. So much potential, but restraint is also part of great design.
The-Real-Deal82
macrumors P6
One question I've never asked is if you can disable notifications quickly on the AW? A scenario for me is when I get home from work and don't want all my emails and texts flooding through on my wrist but can leave my iPhone on the kitchen worktop for the evening not needing to be tempted to look. I know the watch can be taken off in the same manner but then you lose the watch element. What is the quickest way to disable, would it be airplane mode?
I use Do-Not-Disturb (DND) mode. In fact, I have it not only set to mirror my iPhone's setting, but on a schedule from 8PM to 7AM. I have a short VIP list that can punch through if it's urgent. DND is wonderful and brings me quiet evenings. By having it mirror my iPhone, I can set DND on either device manually and the other copies. You still have all other functions as normal, and a blue Moon icon at the top indicates DND mode.
Mute mode turns off sound, but still allows taptic notifications. A fast way to mute an incoming notification is to hold your palm over the watch face for three seconds. That not only silences the current notification (say an incoming call), but then sets Mute mode until you clear it. Great for meetings or while driving. This palm-to-mute mode is the Watch equivalent to the mute switch on the iPhone.
If I am at a concert or other event where I want to be sure there will be not interruptions, I will either set Mute and DND together, or I'll engage Power Reserve mode.
Power Reserve gives you just a simple watch that tells you the current time at the press of the side button (green digital hours:minutes). All sensors and radios are disabled. Consequently, you'll have up to 72 hours of battery life. I'd like to test that someday, but that would mean missing out on a week of fitness tracking, unless I manually entered the data later. I have had the watch go into Power Reserve mode on its own during a 6 hour hike I was tracking with the Workout App.
Airplane Mode would do it, but sacrifices all other functions that use data, such as weather or stocks (fitness tracking, and any locally saved data still work fine). I have Airplane Mode mirror my iPhone, so I can quickly set both just by setting Airplane Mode on either the Watch or the iPhone. Very convenient if I want to quickly just set everything to Airplane Mode.
Airplane/Mute/DND can each toggle via the Control Center Glance on the Watch, or the Control Center on iPhone. It sounds complicated, but once you figure out how you like to use it, it's a piece of cake. There's a lot of granularity there to configure it for your day-to-day flow.
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MH01
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Very true, I think its a fantastic smart watch, and the use of the grown is an excellent idea, but when it comes to time pieces, and as per title of this thread, no smart watch can be compared to the likes of a Rolex. Maybe a $500 mechanical with a generic movement, sure.
I love my AW, as an accessory, but compared to my Deepsea, its a cheap, fragile toy, which has a place in my collection depending on the situation/event
mcdj
macrumors G3
The point of comparing an Apple Watch to a Rolex seems rather moot to me. They are different objects with different purposes. Yes, they are both worn on the wrist and they both keep time. The similarities end there. Saying a Rolex is "better" than an Apple Watch, or vice versa, is like saying ballet is better than opera, or vice versa...both are performed on a stage, both watched by an audience, but beyond that, incomparable.
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Or a royce rolls is better than a Hyundai, both get you from A to B, the Hyundai has so many tech features and driver assists etc 😉. Almost no difference right.... Technically speaking the Hyundai is a better ca.....
Mac 128
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None of the things I mentioned are mutually exclusive technologies. I expect dictation to be the cornerstone of any wearable, I stated that quite clearly. There's no other way to interact with it. Whether a visual component is necessary or not is totally up to the individual, just like whether to wear the device on one's wrist, or suit lapel.
You keep stating that vocal dictation is not secure for use with these technologies, and I keep pointing out that it's not presently secure with the Watch either, yet dictation is about the only way to convey any information outside of pre-established phrases, or yes, no, etc.
So again I'm still not sure what you're point is.
You're the one who faulted the AW for not being secure, suggesting that "engaging in a series of flicks and reading information is going to like waving a red flag to your company," but that "a whisper in your ear wouldn't be perceived by anyone." Yet people want to be able to respond to notifications, not merely listen to them. You can't eat your cake and have it too.
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CmdrLaForge
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Actually I am a watch guy myself and a computer geek. I do not see why it has to be one or the other.
It doesn't necessarily have to be one or the other, but they're competing for the same wrist space. More often than not, members tend to wear their AW exclusively (because they derive more use out of it) and find themselves relegating their luxury timepieces to the drawer. Additionally, dropping several thousands of dollars on a luxury mechanical is a tougher pill to shallow if you don't wear it daily (unlike the pre-AW days).
Mac 128
macrumors 603
Uh no. You inferred the totally wrong thing. I was responding to your statement that "it's harder to unobtrusively check a necklace to see if you can ignore that message and not interrupt your lunch/dinner conversation." When sitting at a company meeting, it will be more distracting to others to use an Apple watch than having your notifications "whispered in your ear". It had nothing to do with security. This is the entire thought in context:
"Apple was forced to include the ridiculously tiny 1" display forcing people to squint it at -- hardly unobtrusive -- people notice when you look at your watch, no matter what you may think. Engaging in a series of flicks and reading information is going to like waving a red flag to your company. A whisper in your ear wouldn't be perceived by anyone."
Trust me, people will still notice it when you're "unobtrusively" listening to a notification while having a conversation with them or sitting at a company meeting even with an ear piece. It doesn't reflect well on an employee to be checking on their AW in a company meeting so most enable the Do Not Disturb feature.
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enzo thecat
macrumors 6502
Not much competition actually...
Apple (AAPL) Watch Interest Lackluster, UBS Research Shows
Rolex has annual sales of $5 Billion. Then there's the real competition for Rolex.....Vacheron Constantin, Patek, Hublot, IWC, Panerai, AP, RW, Omega, Tag, Carl F. Bucherer, Roger Dubois, Blancplain, etc, etc
I didn't say that the AW is a competitor to Rolex et al., but that they're competing for the same wrist space. A Fitbit, on the other hand, not so much because nobody looks like a tool double-wristing a Rolex and a Fitbit.
Mac 128
macrumors 603
I hope you don't work in the tech business. The software would be designed so that the earpiece offers a soft tone that a message has arrived, if you're free to receive it then you can request delivery. If not it's waiting for later. Better yet, your wearable is smart enough to know you're in a meeting and holds notifications until you're out -- IF you want that.
But I'd love to see the statistics you refer to that MOST enable do not disturb in meeting because it's bad form to otherwise receive notifications during it. I believe the whole point of the Watch is so that people can be notified of important messages, especially in meetings, by the unobtrusive tactic engine. Most of the meetings I sit through on a daily basis has various executives typing away on their phones, throughout the meeting. Watches would certainly be far less obtrusive than that. Nevertheless, you're now contradicting yourself ... On the one hand you're trying to shoot down the concept of a wearable other than the wristwatch, by pointing out that such a device can not be as unobtrusably checked as a watch, then turn right around and disqualify the device from being used in an unobtrusive manner, as bad form, since there's no such thing as unobtrusively checking a watch. Why would anyone need to check their watch unobtrusively, if they could otherwise blatantly check it?
CmdrLaForge
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I have to admit. Since April 24th I wear exclusively my aw. My more expensive watches are in the drawer. But to me that is not unusual as I behave like that if I get a new timepiece. Time will tell if I keep on wearing the aw or will from time to time go back to my old style watches.