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He makes a point. How many of these purchases are simply status symbols. Why buy a Rolex over a Casio? Why drive a Lexus over a Toyota? and so on. Because you're wealthy and want to show off your cash? You want to be associated with a particular stereotype or group?
Not everybody who owns a Rolex watch does so because they want others to think they are rich. This seems to be a common misconception outside the watch enthusiast community.

The truth is 90% of the population don't pay any attention to watches. I buy nice watches for my own enjoyment as they spend most of their time hidden up a shirt sleeve. In most cases you have to get pretty close to tell what brand a watch is anyway.
 
No offence to the OP here but I fail to see how a Rolex or any other dive watch can be compared sensibly to the Apple watch. One is a mechanical wristwatch engineered to tell the time and in some cases the date, time your dive etc. The other is a wrist mounted gadget that is effectively a remote control for your iPhone. They are not even remotely close in who they are designed to target.

If you buy a Rolex it will always be a Rolex. You can pass it on after you die and it will always be worth quite a lot of money. You don't lose a lot on your investment. The current Apple watch is a cool gadget but ultimately in many years to come it will either be completely redundant and sat in the back of a drawer gathering dust, or recycled into something else. Rolex have a rich history in timekeeping and decades of brand prestige. It's perfectly possible to own both (if you can) but in this scenario it's not one or the other. One is a luxury watch and an investment and the other is an electronic wearable that will have a shelf life like anything else in its category.

If I add up how much I've spent on iPhones, I could have bought an Omega Seamaster. Guess which one will still be relevant in 20 years time? :)

True, but read through this read and you'll see the point being made (which is what this thread is really about) is Rolex and other luxury mechanical watch manufacturers, unless they evolve, are in danger of acquiring the status of pocketwatch manufacturers. In 20 years time, it'd be like passing a pocketwatch to your kids.
 
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True, but read through this read and you'll see the point being made (which is what this thread is really about) is Rolex and other luxury mechanical watch manufacturers, unless they evolve, are in danger of acquiring the status of pocketwatch manufacturers. In 20 years time, it'd be like passing a pocketwatch to your kids.

I think it's too early in the game to come to that conclusion based off the posts of a few members on an Apple enthusiast site. In 20 years time, smartwatches could be a distant memory like the calculator watches from the early 80's or they could as commonplace as the smartphone is now but it's going to take a lot longer than a couple of months before we know how it is going to pan out.
 
True, but read through this read and you'll see the point being made (which is what this thread is really about) is Rolex and other luxury mechanical watch manufacturers, unless they evolve, are in danger of acquiring the status of pocketwatch manufacturers. In 20 years time, it'd be like passing a pocketwatch to your kids.
Well I don't agree with that, certainly not based on the poor reception smart watches have had generally in the past couple of years. They have a totally different use and audience. It's far too early in their history to make claims or suggest established products are at risk.

When you say 'unless mechanical watch manufacturers evolve', what do you mean? What exactly can they do that is so radically different to how they have been evolving? Are you expecting the likes of Rolex, Cartier, Omega, Seiko, and any other luxury brand to start making mechanical smart watches?
 
Why not? Or at least find a beautiful way to integrate useful electronics into their traditional products.
I think it'll be a long, long time before we see that. They don't need to at this moment in time because demand for traditional wrist watches is stronger in 2015 than it has ever been. The watch industry is experiencing a boom at present and smart watches are a different market altogether, a market that is still unproven and in its infancy.

Why would Rolex develop a smart watch with a 5 year shelf life when its customers are still buying pieces that prove to be an investment over generations? It's a waste of their time at the moment, especially when the luxury market is so strong.

I have to be honest I don't get the smart watch craze yet. I see the benefit of the fitness tracker capability, but the remote control for the phone is something I think is creating a solution for a problem that doesn't exist. I only know one person with an Apple watch and had my first proper play with it yesterday. I'm even more bewildered about its real world use. It's a nice gadget, but isn't close to endangering the mechanical market just yet IMHO. :)
 
In the 1700s, people stood around saying "Key wound mantle clocks are here to stay!" They were obviously wrong.

In the 1800s, it was pocket watches. Their portability supplanted the need for a solitary clock in the home. Surely they were here to stay. Wrong.

In the 1900s, it was mechanical wristwatches. As vests became a thing of the past, so went the watches that inhabited their pockets. The wrist was the new frontier, and nothing could possibly replace these tiny wonders of mechanical precision. Except for battery operated quartz movements. Oops. Wrong again.

In the 2000s, mechanical wristwatches bounced back from quartz-induced oblivion, due to a combination of great marketing, and the public's burgeoning thirst for all things anachronistic.

So where's it all going now? The mechanical watch industry has a pretty good foothold, although sales are down considerably from what they were just 10 years ago. I'd guess the core players; Rolex, Omega, Patek, IWC, etc. aren't going anywhere any time soon. But some of the periperhal brands may struggle as the world is slowly but surely forced to focus its attention away from hedonism and luxury toward ever looming environmental and economic issues.

Smart watches may play a brief disruptive role in stealing a few lower end brand's twilight customers, but in the next 50 to 100 years, my guess it that the watches everyone will want will be simplified timekeepers, and either mechanical or solar. The days of energy sucking connected devices are numbered.
 
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In the 2000s, mechanical wristwatches bounced back from quartz-induced oblivion, due to a combination of great marketing, and the public's burgeoning thirst for all things anachronistic.
The Quartz boom of the 1970's didn't last very long in the luxury market. Rolex produced a few Quartz models but the market plateau'd and mechanical watches still had their place. The digital watch was born way back then and is as popular now, but the watch industry is split into so many segments. Casio and Citizen were never going to truly dent the sales at the higher end. Mechanical watches are enjoying some of the best sales they ever have in 2015 and I don't expect it to change anytime soon. Smart watches will have their market but I don't expect a massive domination in 10 years. If it happens it may not be in our lifetime.
 
That's like saying back in 2007 that the iPhone won't be a success given the poor reception/lackluster sales smartphones have had generally in years prior to that.
Not really because smart watches are affordable and the iPhone certainly was considered a luxury phone back then. It's an odd comparison to make as you can pick up a smart watch for as little as £70. The reason the iPhone had such poor sales was because only certain carriers were allowed to stock it and it was bloody expensive. It was also marketed at the mass market, just like the Apple Watch and unlike Rolex.

Contrast that to the Apple watch being compared to a Rolex and you have a totally different set of audiences. It may get to a stage that Apple sell more £300 watches than Rolex sell £6,500 submariners, but does that mean Rolex are in trouble? Probably not. Ford sell more cars than Ferrari and you can possibly do more in certain Ford models than you can in a Ferrari, but they appeal to different people.
 
Not really because smart watches are affordable and the iPhone certainly was considered a luxury phone back then. It's an odd comparison to make as you can pick up a smart watch for as little as £70. The reason the iPhone had such poor sales was because only certain carriers were allowed to stock it and it was bloody expensive. It was also marketed at the mass market, just like the Apple Watch and unlike Rolex.

Contrast that to the Apple watch being compared to a Rolex and you have a totally different set of audiences. It may get to a stage that Apple sell more £300 watches than Rolex sell £6,500 submariners, but does that mean Rolex are in trouble? Probably not. Ford sell more cars than Ferrari and you can possibly do more in certain Ford models than you can in a Ferrari, but they appeal to different people.

That's beside the point. Today's young people who start with the smartwatch will likely have become so accustomed to it (much like our dependence on the iPhone) that they'll only consider other smartwatches, and later in life when they're well able to afford a Rolex, Patek, etc., they'll likely opt for a more expensive, luxury smartwatch instead (like the Edition).

As Jony Ive said, Switzerland is in trouble. Either evolve or die a slow death.
 
That's beside the point. Today's young people who start with the smartwatch will likely have become so accustomed to it (much like our dependence on the iPhone) that they'll only consider other smartwatches, and later in life when they're well able to afford a Rolex, Patek, etc., they'll likely opt for a more expensive, luxury smartwatch instead (like the Edition).

As Jony Ive said, Switzerland is in trouble. Either evolve or die a slow death.
It's too early to make assumptions like that.

That's quite an arrogant statement from Jony and although I love my iPhone, I'd like nothing more than to see Jony eat his words there. Producing a smart watch that has yet to publish its sales figures and suggesting established watch manufacturers listen to their marketing is massively arrogant.

Anyway I'm in danger of spending too much time on this topic myself so I will leave my comments for others to debate or add to. :)
 
If I add up how much I've spent on iPhones, I could have bought an Omega Seamaster. Guess which one will still be relevant in 20 years time? :)

But you did buy all those iPhones instead of saving up to buy an Omega, presumably because the utility of the iPhone was more important to you than having a watch that lasts you your lifetime and you can pass onto your kids. So if, and I admit it's a still very uncertain if, but if smart watches evolve to be as useful as iPhones, then many people will make that same choice, and buy many smart watches instead of saving to buy an heirloom mechanical watch. Not because a smart watch and mechanical watch are comparable devices, but most people only have so much disposable income, so make choices where buying one thing excuses buying something else.

A relevant anecdote, my partner just had his 50th birthday, and our bosses decided to get him a special gift for the occasion. If this had been last year, I believe they would have picked a nice mechanical watch, a tie pin and cuff set, very nice fountain pen, or some such thing. But since the Apple watch has been released, and they knew my partner is into tech -- one of his responsibilities is maintaining the office computers -- so they got him a SS link Apple watch. In their eyes at least, Apple warch filled the function of being a premium gift for a techie person. And I think the mechanical watch industry very likely did lose a sale due to this.
 
I've had my Rolex submariner for about 13yrs - it has doubled its value but it now sits in my drawer.

Sorry Rolex lovers the future is smart watches....for me I'll keep it as it reminds me of when I made very good money. But if I ever need money it will be sold. I have not worn it since I purchased my apple watch a month ago.
 
The simple answer is this. A Rolex is a luxury watch that tells you the time for a price of $5,000 - $25,000. The Apple Watch is a watch that tells you the time while also telling you emails, Uber, phone calls & texts at a price of $350 - $17,000. You can easily change the bands without going to a watch Maker/Jeweler.
A rolex is a hand made piece of luxury that will last 100 years without batting an eye.. A rolex can't be taken to a genius bar and repaired in an hour. Reason for its prices. Why the **** do people compare the two still? A rolex can be taken 300 meters under water and keep you from dying by precisely telling you when its time to go back up... A rolex will BARELY lose its value and depending on the rolex, it will actually gain value as the wear and years go on...

An Apple watch is a toy that will be useless in 5 years time. Period. Its a toy that allows you to be notified when your phone has complications going on and will be a fun toy to update every few years..

Two VERY different items all together.
 
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I've had my Rolex submariner for about 13yrs - it has doubled its value but it now sits in my drawer.

Sorry Rolex lovers the future is smart watches....for me I'll keep it as it reminds me of when I made very good money. But if I ever need money it will be sold. I have not worn it since I purchased my apple watch a month ago.
So you invested in a timepiece that has double its value for doing nothing but sitting on a wrist or drawer..... How is that NOT a good investment? You basically got a free rolex.

Call me when you hand down a rolex to your grandkids VS an Apple watch.. Lets see which one has more value to them.
 
So you invested in a timepiece that has double its value for doing nothing but sitting on a wrist or drawer..... How is that NOT a good investment? You basically got a free rolex.

Call me when you hand down a rolex to your grandkids VS an Apple watch.. Lets see which one has more value to them.

Let me know where I said it was not a good investment. My point was the future is smart watches. Did I say I was going to sell it ? No ...like I've said it doubled and for now I'll keep it as a safety net if ever needed ....maybe you should sell your Rolex and head to LensCrafters.

And for the record they are known for Not telling very good time.
 
No offence to the OP here but I fail to see how a Rolex or any other dive watch can be compared sensibly to the Apple watch. One is a mechanical wristwatch engineered to tell the time and in some cases the date, time your dive etc. The other is a wrist mounted gadget that is effectively a remote control for your iPhone. They are not even remotely close in who they are designed to target.

If you buy a Rolex it will always be a Rolex. You can pass it on after you die and it will always be worth quite a lot of money. You don't lose a lot on your investment. The current Apple watch is a cool gadget but ultimately in many years to come it will either be completely redundant and sat in the back of a drawer gathering dust, or recycled into something else. Rolex have a rich history in timekeeping and decades of brand prestige. It's perfectly possible to own both (if you can) but in this scenario it's not one or the other. One is a luxury watch and an investment and the other is an electronic wearable that will have a shelf life like anything else in its category.

If I add up how much I've spent on iPhones, I could have bought an Omega Seamaster. Guess which one will still be relevant in 20 years time? :)

Clearly the two are aimed at entirely different audiences and one is destined to be a keepsake and the other is probably destined to be recycled. When I started this thread I was thinking about choosing a watch for what it does for me today, not my grandkids or my investment advisor's opinion of how well I spend my money. From that viewpoint, the two can be considered competitors as Apple Edition watches sell in some of the same price points as Rolex watches and an Apple watch sport sells at almost exactly the same price point as my now idled Citizen Eco Drive. As I mentioned in the opening post, I looked at diving watches and Rolex watches to see how they felt and to imagine what they could do for me before I got a chance to go to the Apple store for one of their "try on" appointments. I've owned a Rolex (clone) and while it felt nice and looked (mostly) nice (for a while), all it did was tell the time. My Apple watch does quite a bit more. Granted a diving watch (if it has a depth meter) can do something my Apple watch can't but I need to read email and texts and check the weather a whole lot more often than I need a depth meter.

Many in this thread have predicted the demise of Rolex watches if they don't offer something "smart." Partly from reading other responses in this thread I find that I do not agree. Yet. It's too early to tell. Recent articles say Apple watch "might" be selling "below analyst expectations". Apple is not (often) known to pump money into a losing product. Microsoft did so and brought Xbox from irrelevant to arguably the best console. If Apple, which has very deep pockets by the way, decides to stick with Apple watch despite it's (allegedly) lukewarm reception, they will eventually figure out the killer app that has people lining up for them. That would be the time when the Swiss jewelers and the Japanese technologists would be forced to sit up and take notice. Apple has a recent track record of making sure that by the time competitors notices Apple is beginning to dominate, it is already too late. Just as iPod buried Walkman and iPhone buried Blackberry, Palm and PocketPC, it is possible Apple watch will come along and bury a lot of today's watchmakers. Not necessarily because the first Apple watch is so wonderful, but because Apple is so adept at disruption.

I've owned some very nice automatic mechanical and eco drive watches yet I was on Apple's site preordering early one morning in April because I knew that I wanted more out of a watch than what I was getting before Apple watch. If you look around, you see a lot of people still wearing watches despite the fact their smartphone is somewhere on their person in a pocket or purse.

This is the key difference between a phone and a watch, smart or otherwise.

To glance at my wrist merely by tilting it slightly, I can read a text or check the time or weather. Chances are nobody in a meeting will be distracted by someone with a smartwatch digging through their pocket, briefcase or purse for their phone. Will Rolex cave and make a smart(er) watch? I doubt it. I think they are perfectly happy with their tiny niche of the top end watch market unless Apple edition watches are proven to be taking prospective Rolex customers. But Citizen and Seiko had better start paying attention sooner rather than later.

As for adding up how much I've spent on smartphones and other Apple gear, let's just say Apple should name a sizable segment of that new spaceship campus in my honor. :eek: Still other posters in this thread did an excellent job of analyzing the net present value of purchasing Apple watch versus Rolex. Those same calculations could analyze the purchase of the pile of Apple gear I've bought. But you know what? I'll take my Apple gear over a dozen submariners. I didn't have to go in debt to buy it, it works for what I need it to do and to me that's all that matters.
 
The Quartz boom of the 1970's didn't last very long in the luxury market. Rolex produced a few Quartz models but the market plateau'd and mechanical watches still had their place....

Yes, but back then, every type of watch was performing the same function: Telling the time.

You could switch back from a newfangled quartz to a Swiss certified Chronometer and not really lose any functionality.
 
Yes, but back then, every type of watch was performing the same function: Telling the time.

You could switch back from a newfangled quartz to a Swiss certified Chronometer and not really lose any functionality.

Yep, Rolex has never had to evolve beyond being a dumbwatch manufacturer. If smartwatches/wearables take over the watch world, they're in for a rude surprise.

Hence why Ive made the comment that Switzerland is "four letter word-ed".
 
Quartz was going to kill off automatics but didn't. Digital watches, with all their features, were going to kill off both quartz and automatics but didn't. Nothing is certain. Only time will tell (pun intended).
 
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Quartz was going to kill off automatics but didn't. Digital watches, with all their features, were going to kill off both quartz and automatics but didn't. Nothing is certain. Only time will tell (pun intended).

Quartz, digital watch are all just watch with few complication. It's role has never change.
Smartwatch is really extension of smartphone, not just watch, just happen can do all complication can be done by mechanical/Quartz/digital watch, plus 100s or 1,000s of other feature, and features are added everyday, only sky is limited.

Once native app is working fine on AW, there is no going back on the feature smart watch could offer and work well, it will be up to 10,000s and maybe 100,000s app in no time.

There is no going back just like a transition from voice only mobilephone to smartphone. More and more people ditch voice only mobilephone to smartphone each day.
 
What do "wearables" have to do with taking over the watch world and obsoleting Rolexes?

Would you ever go back to a dumbphone now that you have the iPhone?

Same thing will happen to today's young people who start with the smartwatch and won't consider anything else. They'd just buy a more expensive, luxury smartwatch later in life when they're well able to afford it.

Rolex et al. won't necessarily be obsolete but acquire the same status as pocketwatch manufacturers.
 
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