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Or find their place in the market alongside each other. There is no reason why smart watches can't have decent sales along with standard watches. A lot of people don't wear watches too so there is scope to attract from all walks.

I know you are convinced it will be total domination in favour of the smart watch, but sadly I doubt either of us will live long enough to see if a transition takes place. What sort of time scale are you expecting?

It didn't take a lifetime for smartphones to garner a total domination. Didn't most of us have a dumbphone before 2007?
 
It didn't take a lifetime for smartphones to garner a total domination. Didn't most of us have a dumbphone before 2007?
Was their really a love for dumb phones like there is for watches though? They lack the rich history, following and appeal. Phones always will be disposable gadgets, whereas watches never date. That is the major difference I see.
 
A big difference between phones and watches is that watches are used both for utility and also as self-expression/personalization. Phones are used predominately for utility and so are easier to replace.

If smartwatches take over, will everyone, men and women, be happy with having fairly similar watches, aside from differences in bands? Is the gain in utility enough to offset the loss in personalization and self-expression?

Also, it's entirely conceivable that people can have multiple watches, smart or traditional.
 
Was their really a love for dumb phones like there is for watches though? They lack the rich history, following and appeal. Phones always will be disposable gadgets, whereas watches never date. That is the major difference I see.

Film also had a lot of love, following and rich history, yet it got replaced.

Even in the early automotive days, you could buy a Mercedes and it'd be the only car you'd ever buy as it used to last a lifetime. Now luxury cars are disposable.
 
A big difference between phones and watches is that watches are used both for utility and also as self-expression/personalization. Phones are used predominately for utility and so are easier to replace.

If smartwatches take over, will everyone, men and women, be happy with having fairly similar watches, aside from differences in bands? Is the gain in utility enough to offset the loss in personalization and self-expression?

Also, it's entirely conceivable that people can have multiple watches, smart or traditional.

Why do you assume there won't be a market for high-end, luxury smartwatches? It's not like people are restricted to the Apple Watch.
 
Film also had a lot of love, following and rich history, yet it got replaced.

Film did not have an aspect of personalization. It is a tool/utility for capturing photos/creating art.

Even in the early automotive days, you could buy a Mercedes and it'd be the only car you'd ever buy as it used to last a lifetime. Now luxury cars are disposable.

Luxury cars aren't really disposable... but they do not last a lifetime either. Cars can be a mixture of utility and personalization as well, so perhaps a good item to compare against (though a person tend not to have more than 1 car unless it's a family and/or they're well off).
 
Luxury cars aren't really disposable... but they do not last a lifetime either. Cars can be a mixture of utility and personalization as well, so perhaps a good item to compare against (though a person tend not to have more than 1 car unless it's a family and/or they're well off).

The point was luxury cars did used to last a lifetime back in the old days, just like Rolex et al. today.
 
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Why do you assume there won't be a market for high-end, luxury smartwatches? It's not like people are restricted to the Apple Watch.

There may be, but as I mentioned earlier, there are aspects that make it difficult for it to push to the realm of luxury.

People who buy luxury watches have an emotional attachment to watches. They value, among other things, the longevity, the history, and covet the thought that these can become heirlooms. Also, electronics have yet to evolve to the point of it become art.

So I question whether smartwatches will reach luxury status given the potential difficulties that smartwatches may have in achieving these qualities.

People always have an emotional connection with personal items, especially things that we wear.
 
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Unless, of course, it becomes acceptable to wear two watches at once. Who knows, it could happen!

Certainly, this could happen. Another possibility is that the functionality we get with AW could migrate to another device that we wear (or not), thereby opening up the wrist once again to traditional watches.
 
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Film also had a lot of love, following and rich history, yet it got replaced.

Even in the early automotive days, you could buy a Mercedes and it'd be the only car you'd ever buy as it used to last a lifetime. Now luxury cars are disposable.
We are again covering old ground though as both of those examples are products that had the same desired outcome once they evolved and had an industry that changed to support it. Watches are different in that you are suggesting thousands of companies scrap what they have been doing for decades, even a couple of hundred years to then develop electronic gadgets. Can you really see the likes of Rolex, Omega, Zenith, Audemars Piguet, Tudor, Grand Seiko etc etc changing their entire business model to compete in a different market?

It won't be like dumb phones being pushed aside for smartphones because none of the luxury manufacturers are suddenly going to switch to disposable gadgets.
 
(though a person tend not to have more than 1 car unless it's a family and/or they're well off).

But we are talking about smartwatches vs luxury watches. And using luxury cars as an analogue. So of course people who own luxury cars are well off, and likely to own more than one car.
 
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There may be, but as I mentioned earlier, there are aspects that make it difficult for it to push to the realm of luxury.

People who buy luxury watches have an emotional attachment to watches. They value, among other things, the longevity, the history, and covet the thought that these can become heirlooms. Also, electronics have yet to evolve to the point of it become art.

So I question whether smartwatches will reach luxury status given the potential difficulties that smartwatches may have in achieving these qualities.

People always have an emotional connection with personal items, especially things that we wear.

That may be true today, but may become far less common in the future (cue in "Today's young people....") ;)
 
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Watches are different in that you are suggesting thousands of companies scrap what they have been doing for decades, even a couple of hundred years to then develop electronic gadgets. Can you really see the likes of Rolex, Omega, Zenith, Audemars Piguet, Tudor, Grand Seiko etc etc changing their entire business model to compete in a different market?

But the fact that these companies have been doing traditional watchmaking for decades/centuries is not really relevant to the discussion. The focus of this discussion is whether user behavior will change going forward, given the disruptive smartwatch technology that Apple (and others) have introduced into the market.

If anything, if the traditional watch market does indeed shrink (and the smartwatch market expands), these companies will either have to consolidate, go into another business, or be forced to go bankrupt. I do not see them evolving to being able to make smartwatches--it's not in their DNA to change from traditional watchmaking to smartwatch-making--they have neither the culture, the people, nor management to make such a drastic change. This is why companies tend to disappear after X number of years--the market has evolved beyond what they provide, and people form new companies with new cultures to create new products in new markets.
 
That may be true today, but may become far less common in the future (cue in "Today's young people....") ;)

Well, the next generation are still people. It's reasonable to assume that they'll have emotional attachments to people, things, and places.

A few posts past mentioned that the new generation values experiences more than owning things. This is an interesting trend, and perhaps something to think about going forward. Could traditional watchmakers evolve their marketing to position themselves for this trend?
 
Well, the next generation are still people. It's reasonable to assume that they'll have emotional attachments to people, things, and places.

Yes, tangible objects that people develop emotional attachment to change over time, and mechanical watches aren't immune to this. If they become used to changing up their watches every couple of years, they may not ever develop it.
 
Yes, tangible objects that people develop emotional attachment to change over time, and mechanical watches aren't immune to this. If they become used to changing up their watches every couple of years, they may not ever develop it.

This makes me wonder, before watches, what did people have in terms of tangible objects that develop deep emotional meaning? Women had family jewels, but what about men?
 
This makes me wonder, before watches, what did people have in terms of tangible objects that develop deep emotional meaning? Women had family jewels, but what about men?

Good question. Pocket watches were used by men in the 19th century (wrist watches were usually for women then). Perhaps rings, bracelets, photo pendants, and things of that nature?
 
I think many of us are overlooking one aspect of smart watches that could change the market. An awful lot of people don't wear watches but may have their first introduction with a smart watch. There are a number of discussions on a watch site I am a member of and they are now interested in mechanical watches off the back of purchasing a smart watch.

This craze may create a boom in the watch industry, not relegate it to doom. Has anybody else considered this?

Owning watches can be a sickness, one where one is never enough. I own countless watches myself.
 
... If this is to be used as an example, then it needs every watch company to decide Quartz and mechanical watches are redundant because everybody now wants to use their watch as a phone. In effect it isn't a transition of technology but a transition of the products use because it would be turning a standard watch into a miniature media device.

This is why I think this comparison is odd as one product evolved with the same desired result and the other is two products that only have the wearing on the wrist in common.

I think the "transition of technology" in going from film to digital photography was pretty-much irrelevant.

To the consumer, it was a transition to speed, convenience and flexibility. The tech implementing it was incidental.
 
Certainly, this could happen. Another possibility is that the functionality we get with AW could migrate to another device that we wear (or not), thereby opening up the wrist once again to traditional watches.
Interesting point. Did you see that movie "Her"? :)
 
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