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I'm a fairly voracious Ars reader and I haven't seen this. Please post the link.

Edit - if you mean this link, it doesn't confirm that the watch connects to a wifi network.

Yeah that is the article I read and it goes on to say "With Wi-Fi, an Apple Watch will be useful in the entire house. You won't have to haul your smartphone around just to get an Internet connection.". The comparison is being made against android wear, which does not have Wi-Fi network support.
 
I'm a fairly voracious Ars reader and I haven't seen this. Please post the link.

Edit - if you mean this link, it doesn't confirm that the watch connects to a wifi network.

How does it not confirm? It says very clearly if you read your linked article.

the Apple Watch has an option to switch to Wi-Fi when you're at home. With its Bluetooth-only limitation, Android Wear is only really useful when you're on the go, because then you have your phone in your pocket. At home, if you leave your phone on the couch and walk into the kitchen, you've probably walked out of Bluetooth range and your Android Wear device will stop working.

With Wi-Fi, an Apple Watch will be useful in the entire house
It probably pulls from and caches the list of wifi networks in your iPhone.
 
Yes, it is wireless inductive charging. There are no wires connection it. Apple chose to use MageSafe to affix the charger to the back for convince and a faster charge. However you could still charge the :apple:Watch with the charging puck an inch away. It would just be a slower charge.

Oh. Thanks for letting me know :).
 
Yeah that is the article I read and it goes on to say "With Wi-Fi, an Apple Watch will be useful in the entire house. You won't have to haul your smartphone around just to get an Internet connection.". The comparison is being made against android wear, which does not have Wi-Fi network support.

How does it not confirm? It says very clearly if you read your linked article.


It probably pulls from and caches the list of wifi networks in your iPhone.

The author is just saying the same thing that Kevin Lynch said in his presentation, which says nothing about connecting to a wi-if network. In all fairness, that is probably what the author intends to say, in which case he is mistaken as well.

The entire demo by Kevin Lynch was intended to show how people might use the watch throughout the day. By saying it uses wi-if at home, he has misled people into thinking it uses their home network, when really it was just an example of a common case when people might not have their phone right with them. You could be in the middle of the woods and still be using wi-if to connect to the phone. Why limit the distance to bluetooth range except in the places that have a wi-if network you can log into?

Let's say that you're right and the watch can connect to a router. That means the watch gets its own IP address. What if you connect to a guest network (or a hotel network, etc) that require you to visit a webpage and agree to terms and conditions before you can use the network? The watch has no way to display that page. There are many similar cases where is doesn't make sense for the watch to have its own IP address, since it doesn't have a browser.

However, it does make sense for all communication to go through the phone. And Apple already does direct wi-if connections for other things, so I don't understand why it's so hard to imagine that is how the watch works as well.
 
The one thing that everyone seems to overlook is that the Apple Watch already has the force of thousands of developers that make quality apps and experiences behind it. As with smartphones and tablets, the depth and breadth of apps will be the thing that pushes it far ahead of the competition.
 
The one thing that everyone seems to overlook is that the Apple Watch already has the force of thousands of developers that make quality apps and experiences behind it. As with smartphones and tablets, the depth and breadth of apps will be the thing that pushes it far ahead of the competition.
By this reasoning, Pebble would be number one.

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Yes, it is wireless inductive charging. There are no wires connection it. Apple chose to use MageSafe to affix the charger to the back for convince and a faster charge. However you could still charge the :apple:Watch with the charging puck an inch away. It would just be a slower charge.

False. The charger must be touching the watch. There is no difference between a wired connection and what Apple came up with. The connector is proprietary and has to attach to the watch to work.

What Apple did here is create a magsafe charger for the watch. Nothing more. I like their idea over the competition too. Hopefully, more round watches copy what Apple did.
 
By this reasoning, Pebble would be number one.

I probably should have used the word "ecosystem" in there somewhere to drive home the point. You're not going to find many developers that are thinking "Pebble First" a month from now. Apple Watch will be the hot platform on which most spend their time/resources for the foreseeable future.
 
nobody seems to be comparing the features... :rolleyes:.

Here's a feature comparison:

How many of these other watches work with the iPhone? One

How many of these other watches don't work with an iPhone? Seven

People do sometimes change their phones but no one in their right mind would abandon the Apple ecosystem, buy a new Android phone and then spend more money and get a Android watch only to benefit from a few extra features that the Apple watch may not have.
 
I think the thread starter has shared a good and fair comparison of the various smartwatch options and demonstrated Apple once again is a million miles ahead of the competition. I for one cannot wait to get my hands on Apple Watch and start taking advantage of all its capabilities.
 
Wireless charging? Uh, sure. If you mean that you have to take the 'wireless' charging device everywhere you go AND since it uses inductive charging, it might as well be wired, then sure, go ahead and call it wireless. If it had used a wireless standard like Qi, then I'd give you credit.

Whoaaaa, we got a baddass over here...

It just so happens I'm an electrical engineer (too), where did you get your diploma?

Inductive charging is the technology that's normally called "wireless charging".

Inductive charging (also known as "wireless charging") uses an electromagnetic field to transfer energy between two objects. This is usually done with a charging station. Energy is sent through an inductive coupling to an electrical device, which can then use that energy to charge batteries or run the device.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inductive_charging



Body weight? I see you used the aluminum version for the lightest you could get. Why not show all weights? Maybe because the gold version is going to weigh half a pound?

You have options, you can get the same watch lighter and cheaper on the sport. if you chose a more expensive an weightier version, it's your choice.

Scroll wheel? LOL. You are trying to hard to find something to make the Apple Watch look better and it shows with this category. Might as well make a category saying "Round Watch Face". Then give Apple a red box. See how stupid that looks.

LOL, no LOL. I also added the sole watch on the market with standalone features, didn't I?

"Round Watch Faces" are not an advantage. They make smaller area screens in a bigger diameter, so no red or green box. The function is purely aesthetic.

NFC? Should be red. Just like the iPhone. It isn't fully capable. I think you should change the category name to wireless payments.

NFC should be red? No, not having Apple Pay, the #1 smartphone NFC payments system in the World should be red. NFC is a functionality that Apple will open up.

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I thought the Apple Watch does not have a barometric sensor.

I took from Wikipedia
 
Whoaaaa, we got a baddass over here...

It just so happens I'm an electrical engineer (too), where did you get your diploma?

Inductive charging is the technology that's normally called "wireless charging

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inductive_charging


I took from Wikipedia

I think he is trying to say that with the power restraints on this new Apple charger, that it has to be placed on the back of the watch ( make contact ) unlike the induction heaters I have made where there is space between the coil and the work piece, and capacitors to even out the current to produce the eddy currents and hysteresis required. Faraday's law.
 
The one thing that everyone seems to overlook is that the Apple Watch already has the force of thousands of developers that make quality apps and experiences behind it. As with smartphones and tablets, the depth and breadth of apps will be the thing that pushes it far ahead of the competition.

Now we just have remember what all those icons look like :)

Different shapes and a label would go a long way here.
 
The author is just saying the same thing that Kevin Lynch said in his presentation, which says nothing about connecting to a wi-if network. In all fairness, that is probably what the author intends to say, in which case he is mistaken as well.


Before making that wall of text, you could watch the presentation first.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kbh9EFuFf0M

at 1:13:49

I think he is trying to say that with the power restraints on this new Apple charger, that it has to be placed on the back of the watch ( make contact ) unlike the induction heaters I have made where there is space between the coil and the work piece, and capacitors to even out the current to produce the eddy currents and hysteresis required. Faraday's law.

Induction heaters have nothing to do with induction charging.

False. The charger must be touching the watch. There is no difference between a wired connection and what Apple came up with. The connector is proprietary and has to attach to the watch to work.

Yes, there's a difference, there are no electrical contacts.

The connector contacts with the apple watch because it's magnetic, and that helps to put the watch to charge at night, with the lights off.

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And this is why you don't want exposed contacts.

Source: http://forums.androidcentral.com/lg-g-watch/411698-those-exposed-contacts-not-good-idea.html

I had sociology classes also, and I know how to make info reflect what I want it to. your chart really has no valid meaning. most of these watches or earlier versions are in use by the public now. where did you confirm the apple watch features, and how they function. I will be buying one, but I will confirm for myself, and though Apple products are usually dependable I never give a good review of anything until I try it myself.

So my chart has no valid meaning?

Then put up your chart!

I put every possible specification on the chart. Sorry, you are just mad because you didn't like the facts.
 
Before making that wall of text, you could watch the presentation first.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kbh9EFuFf0M

at 1:13:49

I've seen the presentation several times. He says "Apple Watch connects to your phone over wi-fi as well as bluetooth..."

Nowhere does he say that it connects to your wi-fi network. I've been a software engineer and architect for 15 years, and I actually do know what I'm talking about. Maybe you could read and attempt to understand my "wall of text."

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I put every possible specification on the chart. Sorry, you are just mad because you didn't like the facts.

Several people have posted additional specifications in this thread, so I wouldn't say you've put in "every possible" one.
 
False. The charger must be touching the watch. There is no difference between a wired connection and what Apple came up with. The connector is proprietary and has to attach to the watch to work.

What Apple did here is create a magsafe charger for the watch. Nothing more. I like their idea over the competition too. Hopefully, more round watches copy what Apple did.

No it doesn't need to touch the :apple:Watch. It uses an inductive coil to charge.

Please look here for a basic understand of inductive charging.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inductive_charging

Wikipedia said:
...The two induction coils in proximity combine to form an electrical transformer. Greater distances between sender and receiver coils can be achieved....

Also MagSafe is just using magnets to attract. The MacBook uses traditional contact pins and is NOT a wireless system. However the :apple:Watch is MagSafe PLUS inductive wireless charging.



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...And this is why you don't want exposed contacts.....

Also look at the corrosion building up on your contacts. ;)
 
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The magnetic part of the charger is likely for alignment.

Also the Moto 360 does have an accelerometer. That is how raise to turn screen on works....
 
I've seen the presentation several times. He says "Apple Watch connects to your phone over wi-fi as well as bluetooth..."

Nowhere does he say that it connects to your wi-fi network. I've been a software engineer and architect for 15 years, and I actually do know what I'm talking about. Maybe you could read and attempt to understand my "wall of text."


Software Engineer? Good one, because this is not software engineer's area of expertise.

In fact, I'm a EECS with a Major in Telecommunications, Electronics and Computers, and a specialization in computer networks, this is my expertise.

Apple can and is using Wifi both in infrastructure and ad-hoc mode at the same time. They have been using that since a long time, for example, in iOS 7, with the Multipeer conectivity API

http://www.appcoda.com/intro-multipeer-connectivity-framework-ios-programming/

And to complete your citation:

"The Apple Watch communicates with your iPhone with Wifi as well as Bluetooth, so when you are in your home, you don't have to be in Bluetooth range of your phone, you can be anywhere at your house, and still get your messages, your phone calls just like that."
 
The magnetic part of the charger is likely for alignment.

And/or perhaps to trigger the charging. But mostly to hold it on :)

Also the Moto 360 does have an accelerometer. That is how raise to turn screen on works....

Correct, the Moto 360 uses an InvenSense MPU-6051 Gyro + Accelerometer.

I took from Wikipedia

Wikipedia is a poor source at best, especially when it comes to unreleased Apple products. I know, because I rewrote the first iPhone UI entries to be technically correct. You wouldn't believe some of the fantasies that were in there at first.

In any case, there are no other sources that claim the Apple Watch has a barometric sensor.

As I've also pointed out before, such a sensor would have to be outside the resin encased S1 circuit board.
 
And/or perhaps to trigger the charging. But mostly to hold it on :)



Correct, the Moto 360 uses an InvenSense MPU-6051 Gyro + Accelerometer.



Wikipedia is a poor source at best, especially when it comes to unreleased Apple products. I know, because I rewrote the first iPhone UI entries to be technically correct. You wouldn't believe some of the fantasies that were in there at first.

In any case, there are no other sources that claim the Apple Watch has a barometric sensor.

As I've also pointed out before, such a sensor would have to be outside the resin encased S1 circuit board.

Thanks, I updated the sheet. For barometer, I'm going to put "no information" by now, because it puzzles me how they are doing that "time sat down" feature without one...
 
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