Bravo! And that's why even the smallest of cafe with an apple on their logo is being sued by giant Apple.
Oh I forgot to mention, a David company in Spain pwned Goliath Apple in a criminal lawsuit.
Apple Welcomes Kindle Fire Tablet and More Android Fragmentation
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Bravo! And that's why even the smallest of cafe with an apple on their logo is being sued by giant Apple.
Oh I forgot to mention, a David company in Spain pwned Goliath Apple in a criminal lawsuit.
garylapointe
macrumors 68000
Fragmentation and leaching of sales
The fragmentation is good for developers and for the code, but confusing to the average consumer.
Some people will see it as a tablet. And while it will not be in the same league as an iPad for $199, it'll keep a lot of people happy.
How many people have iPads but never added any apps that would extend the functionality past that of the Kindle Fire? You know they're out there!
Honestly, I ordered one. I might cancel the order, but if I keep it, I probably won't get an iPad 3, I'll hold off and get the iPad 4. I even already own iPad apps, but I know I want my iPad maxed out with 64+ GB and the 3G, that's $829!!! I'll be stuck with that model for a few years, and a Fire will keep me occupied for a while at $199 and it's only got one option, so it'll keep me placated for a while....
And I'd really rather have a slightly smaller screen iPad (with retina display) so it might take another version or two before they go smaller (and cheaper).
Gary
The fragmentation is good for developers and for the code, but confusing to the average consumer.
Some people will see it as a tablet. And while it will not be in the same league as an iPad for $199, it'll keep a lot of people happy.
How many people have iPads but never added any apps that would extend the functionality past that of the Kindle Fire? You know they're out there!
Honestly, I ordered one. I might cancel the order, but if I keep it, I probably won't get an iPad 3, I'll hold off and get the iPad 4. I even already own iPad apps, but I know I want my iPad maxed out with 64+ GB and the 3G, that's $829!!! I'll be stuck with that model for a few years, and a Fire will keep me occupied for a while at $199 and it's only got one option, so it'll keep me placated for a while....
And I'd really rather have a slightly smaller screen iPad (with retina display) so it might take another version or two before they go smaller (and cheaper).
Gary
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Oletros
macrumors 603
ICS is for phones AND tablets
za9ra22
macrumors 65816
I'm sure I welcome your advice as much as Cook and Oppenheimer welcome your invaluable insight.
Meanwhile, I will assert again that the fact is that the more devices there are that compete for a segment of the market Apple aren't really aiming at, the weaker individual players in that market will be. That's good for Apple, which was the whole point of the article, and that's what market fragmentation is all about - not whether buyers recognise the underlying technologies for what they are.
Personally, I hope the Kindle Fire has got it right because the market as a whole could do with a strong competitor, and there wouldn't seem to be a player better placed to be exactly that than Amazon.
scoobydoo99
Cancelled
To say it's "a much more portable form factor" is to introduce a circular argument. You might tout the portability of the 7" size, while others see the smaller display as a detriment.
To take it a step further, I could say the iPod Touch does the same thing the Kindle Fire does, but in a "much more portable form factor", thus Amazon needs to find a "way to get around" that fact.
In fact the Fire is "$300 less" because it is crippled by too small of a display (another way of looking at it).
guch20
macrumors 6502
I don't see why Apple even cares. The Fire isn't an iPad competitor. It's a Nook competitor. It doesn't do half the things an iPad does -- hell, it doesn't even have an accelerometer. It's an ereader with a few extra bells and whistles thrown in.
That's not an insult to the Fire. It just is what it is, and does what it does. To put it on equal footing with a larger, more expensive, more feature-complete tablet is kinda nutso.
That's not an insult to the Fire. It just is what it is, and does what it does. To put it on equal footing with a larger, more expensive, more feature-complete tablet is kinda nutso.
KnightWRX
macrumors Pentium
Uh ?
http://www.microsoft.com/investor/E...s/PressReleaseAndWebcast/fy12/Q1/default.aspx
I guess FUD is on-topic in a thread about FUD.
PracticalMac
macrumors 68030
Putting all eggs in one Amazon is not safe, it is possible instead of Android vs iPad, it will be Fire vs iPad, and of course iPad will in hands down.
Regular e-ink Kindles are win, Fire is more like Flicker.
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https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1258582/
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guch20
macrumors 6502
Bernard SG
macrumors 65816
Microsoft makes huge profits.
But that's pretty much all they do at the moment. Shipping exciting and useful new stuff, not so much.
And Google, with their 66% search share.
Eidorian
macrumors Penryn
Whoa, whoa that is too technical for the masses.
KnightWRX
macrumors Pentium
But your own argument, the Kindle Fire causes as much fragmentation woes for the iPad as it does for any other Android tablets though. You're talking about market fragmentation (more platforms, be they Android, iOS, Kindle, Playbook or Maemo).
How is that good for Apple and not for other Android OEMs ? The fact is, there's 2 things here :
- Android fragmentation : FUD in this case. Kindle Fire is not an Android device, it's a Kindle Fire, with its own eco-system. It does not fit inside the Android eco-system.
- Tablet fragmentation: Yet another player on the market with a new eco-system to lock-in users. This arms every player in the market by adding yet another option for consumers to choose from. This will come at the cost of sales for everyone in the market.
My post, although is a bit long, is somehow related.
I switched to an Android phone last March when my iPhone 3G's home button stopped working. My reason to switch to an Android is to try out the OS, and also because the phone I purchased was the same price as the iPhone 3Gs, but the Android is/was MUCH nicer. It's the HTC Desire HD.
Although I like Android for its flexibility and freedom, my next phone will be iOS-based - an iPhone. One of the things I dislike about Android is the fragmentation and ease of integration of files, music, pictures, etc.
I see how Apple welcomes the Kindle Fire tablet - for the very same reason I see now. Their statement makes sense. The Android OS ecosystem is a bit "sloppy", not integrated as well as iOS is.
I'm not saying that I dislike Android, but I see how iOS has an advantage here as far as integration and cohesiveness. Nevertheless, I'm planning on buying a Kindle Fire when it comes out. Let's see if it can do what I expect from it.
I switched to an Android phone last March when my iPhone 3G's home button stopped working. My reason to switch to an Android is to try out the OS, and also because the phone I purchased was the same price as the iPhone 3Gs, but the Android is/was MUCH nicer. It's the HTC Desire HD.
Although I like Android for its flexibility and freedom, my next phone will be iOS-based - an iPhone. One of the things I dislike about Android is the fragmentation and ease of integration of files, music, pictures, etc.
I see how Apple welcomes the Kindle Fire tablet - for the very same reason I see now. Their statement makes sense. The Android OS ecosystem is a bit "sloppy", not integrated as well as iOS is.
I'm not saying that I dislike Android, but I see how iOS has an advantage here as far as integration and cohesiveness. Nevertheless, I'm planning on buying a Kindle Fire when it comes out. Let's see if it can do what I expect from it.
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Same was said about no cameras on the original iPad. The Fire doesnt have them. Different features matter to different people, obviously.
Same was said about no cameras on the original iPad. The Fire doesnt have them. Different features matter to different people, obviously.
tempusfugit
macrumors 65816
What makes you think it will run ice cream sandwich? You know it wont, right?
Not without rooting any way.
Also, ignoring apps, it does what the iPad does for $300 less? Yeah....
At least you're zealous in your ignorance.
*LTD*
macrumors G4
Look at PCs today. Then look at Macs today.
Anyone can pimp out an OS to OEMS and sell tons of $400 eMachines. But what is the consumer actually getting?
We know what they're getting with a Mac, though. Each and every time.
https://www.macrumors.com/2011/09/2...isfaction-survey-for-eighth-consecutive-time/
An unweeded garden is an unweeded garden, no matter how large.
garylapointe
macrumors 68000
I disagree, to the average consumer, it's a tablet with a few less bells and whistles (that they weren't sure if they needed) and it's $300 less (and they don't have to decide if they want any of the larger models, since there is only one choice).
And most people aren't realizing they're going to have glare outside in the sun, they've all learned that Kindle's don't have the glare/reflection issue when outside. When I point that out, they seem surprised, and then it seems even more like an iPad to them...
Gary
vitzr
macrumors 68030
Precisely.
Fragmentation is a word attached to the fact that there are "choices" that frighten those who fear making decisions.
If one is truly convinced this is fragmentation, then how do we explain automobiles?
Their OS is the engine. OMG!!! more fragmentation. It's everywhere
3 Cylinder
4 Cylinder
5 Cylinder
6 Cylinder
V-6
V-8
V-10
V-12
Gasoline, Electric, Hybrid, Diesel, Natural Gas? OMG!!!
Colors, Options, Confusing Pricing... OMG !!!
Why Doesn't Apple make a car and STOP THIS MADNESS
Why Doesn't Apple open a grocery store and STOP THIS MADNESS
YIKES... I have a massive migraine from all these choices, not to mention how stressed out I am...
Eidorian
macrumors Penryn
I stop reading after the specifications page.
*LTD*
macrumors G4
Except this isn't January 2010. What the iPad could get away with back then (Apple having come out of nowhere to reinvent the segment), others can't get away with today.
za9ra22
macrumors 65816
Actually, no, that wasn't my argument. The Kindle Fire only causes problems for Apple if it notably cannibalizes iPad sales, which Apple seem to think it will not.
But aside from that, Mrs Lincoln, how did you enjoy the rest of the play?
Apps are what makes the iPad great. And, in all fairness, its the sheer volume of software written for the Windows platform that makes Microsoft the market leader that it is. Nobody in their right mind buys Windows for the pure joy of the experience.
I don't think Cook is "whistling in the graveyard" regarding the Kindle Fire. I think Apple is smart enough to recognize that there will always be a demand for a low-end entrant in the tablet marketplace. And if Amazon is willing to take a loss subsidizing the Fire, then that will simply discourage Samsung and Sony and all the other manufacturers from playing in that space.
Its also worth noting that the Kindle Fire doesn't infringe on Apple's tablet and OS Intellectual Property. Amazon's developers made their device sufficiently distinctive that no one is going to mistake it for an iPad, and I think they deserve our respect for that.