Apple Will Delay Bringing Employees Back to Offices Until at Least October

swingerofbirch said:
I know this will spark outrage, but as long as half the US refuses to vaccinate, we should be shutting things down again anyway. Our response has been pathetic. Can you imagine us responding to the world wars this way? Having the tools at our disposal to defeat a common enemy and doing so little about it. The UK, as well, has been terrible.

There has been no long term planning. Our success and failure have been at the mercy of the pharmaceutical industry, which have been a godsend and the only part of this that have worked, and then we reject the gift. So we have to make alternative plans because this virus will keep mutating and the vaccines will keep getting weaker in their effect.

I say shut down the retail stores, as well. Delta is percolating in more people than we know including the vaccinated, mutating.

This is now a long term problem and it requires cohesiveness. Global vaccination. What an embarrassment that we can't even vaccinate the country where the vaccine is most available.

I doubt Apple backed down as much from the original letter's complaint as they did from the health reality that everyone is facing. But they should do the right thing and shutter the retail stores for all their employees then.
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The above is nonsense. 60% of the U.K.’s new COVID hospitalizations are people who were vaccinated.
 
I think on call is the best way. Some concepts and plans have to be carried out in person because it can be tough to illustrate ideas over a video call but for day to day work, at home is best.

I will say though, Apple employees have it made. You gotta be willing to give as well as take with anything in life.
 
LinusR said:
As opposed to supporting Apple employees for standing up what they believe in, MR below the line calls them whingeing and whining. So many people across the world don’t want to go back to the office, for so many reasons: to spend more time wirth family, to reduce climate impact, just to name a few. Why do we not stand up together and work towards a world in which employees have more power, collectively, and support those who are already trying?
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Spend more time with family? Workers unite huh? Jesus. "Can you PLEASE come back to the 4-billion dollar workspace we built for you while you continue to draw an industry-leading salary that most likely dwarfs least 40% of the national average salary" Not exactly asking these people to storm Omaha beach, you know? If ANYONE can make a workspace safe - It's Apple, so...yeah. It's just not reasonable to say "oh well I want to be with my family more, or hey prices have gone up so I don't want to live in silicon valley anymore so you have to let me work at home. Employees can have as much "power" as they want - just gotta start a business and they can make the rules and have as much family time as they want.
 
erniefairchild1 said:
Anyone who believes shutdowns work should not be taken seriously.

Every example shows it just backloads the effects. This religious belief is the meeting of scientific lack of articulation and popular ignorance. The "science' never said it would go away if we all stayed inside forever. No medical professional ever believed that. But people like this poster think it will do that. And, again, should not be taken seriously.

And if half the US doesnt want to get vaccinated...thats none of your business. "But they can give it to others!" Well, according to the vaccine folks, vaccinated people can still transmit it..so...

What it comes down to is the inherent helplessness of the vaccine fanatics. It will never be enough for them, they are broken, and theyre also enjoying their morality trip. I'm vaccinated, but I am not a vaccine fanatic.

Get on with your life. Let others do the same. If you're protected, you're protected. If you believe the only way to be safe is to stay inside, then you should do so, not force everyone else to.
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I've been saying this since April of 2020...
 
erniefairchild1 said:
Anyone who believes shutdowns work should not be taken seriously.

Every example shows it just backloads the effects. This religious belief is the meeting of scientific lack of articulation and popular ignorance. The "science' never said it would go away if we all stayed inside forever. No medical professional ever believed that. But people like this poster think it will do that. And, again, should not be taken seriously.

And if half the US doesnt want to get vaccinated...thats none of your business. "But they can give it to others!" Well, according to the vaccine folks, vaccinated people can still transmit it..so...

What it comes down to is the inherent helplessness of the vaccine fanatics. It will never be enough for them, they are broken, and theyre also enjoying their morality trip. I'm vaccinated, but I am not a vaccine fanatic.

Get on with your life. Let others do the same. If you're protected, you're protected. If you believe the only way to be safe is to stay inside, then you should do so, not force everyone else to.
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Absolutely. Their perpetual need to be saviors of the world is what manufactures the endless crisis and hopelessness. It’s a horrible feedback loop with a baited argument. “Disagree with me and you want everyone to die!”

Same goes with just about every social campaign out there. It’s a feedback loop of being a savior and having a non stop slew of problems (mostly first world ones).

Covid was a real threat a while ago but we have progressed quite a bit past that now.
 
A solution needs to be worked out for employees and Apple. Apple can do this with its employees. Together they can find a common ground.
 
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erniefairchild1 said:
Anyone who believes shutdowns work should not be taken seriously.

Every example shows it just backloads the effects. This religious belief is the meeting of scientific lack of articulation and popular ignorance. The "science' never said it would go away if we all stayed inside forever. No medical professional ever believed that. But people like this poster think it will do that. And, again, should not be taken seriously.

And if half the US doesnt want to get vaccinated...thats none of your business. "But they can give it to others!" Well, according to the vaccine folks, vaccinated people can still transmit it..so...

What it comes down to is the inherent helplessness of the vaccine fanatics. It will never be enough for them, they are broken, and theyre also enjoying their morality trip. I'm vaccinated, but I am not a vaccine fanatic.

Get on with your life. Let others do the same. If you're protected, you're protected. If you believe the only way to be safe is to stay inside, then you should do so, not force everyone else to
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swingerofbirch said:
I know this will spark outrage, but as long as half the US refuses to vaccinate, we should be shutting things down again anyway. Our response has been pathetic. Can you imagine us responding to the world wars this way? Having the tools at our disposal to defeat a common enemy and doing so little about it. The UK, as well, has been terrible.

There has been no long term planning. Our success and failure have been at the mercy of the pharmaceutical industry, which have been a godsend and the only part of this that have worked, and then we reject the gift. So we have to make alternative plans because this virus will keep mutating and the vaccines will keep getting weaker in their effect.

I say shut down the retail stores, as well. Delta is percolating in more people than we know including the vaccinated, mutating.

This is now a long term problem and it requires cohesiveness. Global vaccination. What an embarrassment that we can't even vaccinate the country where the vaccine is most available.

I doubt Apple backed down as much from the original letter's complaint as they did from the health reality that everyone is facing. But they should do the right thing and shutter the retail stores for all their employees then.
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It's all in gods hands now. Trust in the lord :)
 
Shreducator said:
We live in a world where corporations have no spine. Twitter mob comes then fire an employee, change a products name, use different terminology and so on. Cave to employees. Use the rainbow to pretend you care about more than just the companies ESG score. Don’t know what that is? It’s the woke social score for investors. Look it up. Yet here we are lining up every year like good trained dogs and empowering China in the process. Then we pretend to be so virtuous.
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And the "twitter mob" consists of too many trolls and bots. Watched a demo of specific words being tweeted to then watch clockwork keyword reply responses. Pathetic.
Until that changes almost everyone but select few is diminished -- even those mistakenly thinking the bots/trolls are propagating what they may currently agree with.
 
erniefairchild1 said:
So, retail employees are allowed to get breathed on by thousands of people a day, but the precious folks at Apple Park cant deal with a few wasp breaths from their coworkers. Elitist scum.
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It is easy to work from home when you are writing code or marketing or whatever. Selling someone a new keyboard when you are working from home, not so much.
Hrududu said:
I say, let the crybabies quit. There are thousands of qualified people out there who would LOVE to get a chance to work for Apple. They need a reality check that literally everyone is replaceable. Even the death of Steve Jobs and departure of guys like Rubinstein, Ive, and Forstall haven't destroyed Apple. These no-name scrubs can work like the rest of us have for months.
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TheYayAreaLiving said:
These spoiled scumbags… Hahaha one more month… that’s what 30 days?

Get back to work people. These cry babies got to go so they can look for another job if they don’t appreciate working inside the space ship.

These corporate employees are so lazy. They clearly don’t want to go back to office. It’s just an excuse for these lazy workers to work inside homes and eat lays chips.

You can’t expect innovation, creativity and motivation. This is just an excuse. Let’s be real we know these lazy workers are putting in 2 hours of work and they are chilling, eating lays chips and eating Oreo cookies for 7 hours.

what DJ Khalid said… hugging your pillow. Shame on you… Played yourself.

Apple: FIRE THEM! DON’T GET PLAYED.

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We found at our company, productivity went way up when we went 100% work from home. We don't need to worry about our workers driving in during an ice storm or when we are having tornadoes. We even found our operations cost went way down when we were no longer renting office space. In general, our people seem happy, get more work done and their commute tends to be stepping over the cat in the morning. I suspect that going into the office will be a thing of the past for most companies.
 
RalfTheDog said:
We found at our company, productivity went way up when we went 100% work from home. We don't need to worry about our workers driving in during an ice storm or when we are having tornadoes. We even found our operations cost went way down when we were no longer renting office space. In general, our people seem happy, get more work done and their commute tends to be stepping over the cat in the morning. I suspect that going into the office will be a thing of the past for most companies.
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Maybe, but Apple isn’t reducing WFH out of spite.
 
jk73 said:
The above is nonsense. 60% of the U.K.’s new COVID hospitalizations are people who were vaccinated.
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Actually, 40%. Patrick Vallance misspoke. A big mistake to make.

But it's still extraordinarily troubling. The vaccines are less effective than they had been. And that's why we should be shutting down as we have less protection than before and the variants will continue to mutate. The vaccine still provides protection, just less than it had. And the news media has been awful in overstating its effectiveness and ignoring what has been happening in the UK and downplaying the Israeli data.

They keep moving the goalposts and talking about hospitalizations. It's incredibly difficult to get hospitalized. I've been wheeled out of an ER with a pulse of 150 and a BP of 150/110 and they wouldn't admit me. Left me on the curb for a taxi to pick me up.

So when they say the vaccines protect against hospitalization, I don't take that as any great comfort.

But even that's not even the case so much entirely. In Kentucky today I saw a number of breakthrough cases of vaccinated people who did require hospitalization.

But think how much worse it would have been without the vaccinations in the UK for example. Their cases have skyrocketed while hospitalizations and deaths did not rise at the same rate.

The vaccines are definitely weaker than they were, but still the best tool. I think we need both shutdowns and increased vaccination. I know I am in a minority on the first part.
 
swingerofbirch said:
Actually, 40%. Patrick Vallance misspoke. A big mistake to make.

But it's still extraordinarily troubling. The vaccines are less effective than they had been. And that's why we should be shutting down as we have less protection than before and the variants will continue to mutate. The vaccine still provides protection, just less than it had. And the news media has been awful in overstating its effectiveness and ignoring what has been happening in the UK and downplaying the Israeli data.

They keep moving the goalposts and talking about hospitalizations. It's incredibly difficult to get hospitalized. I've been wheeled out of an ER with a pulse of 150 and a BP of 150/110 and they wouldn't admit me. Left me on the curb for a taxi to pick me up.

So when they say the vaccines protect against hospitalization, I don't take that as any great comfort.

But even that's not even the case so much entirely. In Kentucky today I saw a number of breakthrough cases of vaccinated people who did require hospitalization.

But think how much worse it would have been without the vaccinations in the UK for example. Their cases have skyrocketed while hospitalizations and deaths did not rise at the same rate.

The vaccines are definitely weaker than they were, but still the best tool. I think we need both shutdowns and increased vaccination. I know I am in a minority on the first part.
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The average age of a COVID death is 83. Healthy people under age 70 have a 99.9% survival rate. Suicides, car accidents, and drug overdoses killed far more people under age 30 than COVID last year.

Enough with the fearmongering nonsense.
 
jk73 said:
The average age of a COVID death is 83. Healthy people under age 70 have a 99.9% survival rate. Suicides, car accidents, and drug overdoses killed far more people under age 30 than COVID last year.

Enough with the fearmongering nonsense.
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“Dying” is hardly the only consequence of catching COVID, or even the worst one.

Enough with the disingenuous nonsense.
 
topdrawer said:
are you talking about the article saying 60% of cases? because that's not the same as hospitalizations. maybe provide a link to were you got this info. sounds like misinformation.
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No, hospitalizations. The U.K. apparently now claims “only” 40% of the hospitalized are fully vaccinated, but that’s just dumb spin.
 
RalfTheDog said:
It is easy to work from home when you are writing code or marketing or whatever. Selling someone a new keyboard when you are working from home, not so much.



We found at our company, productivity went way up when we went 100% work from home. We don't need to worry about our workers driving in during an ice storm or when we are having tornadoes. We even found our operations cost went way down when we were no longer renting office space. In general, our people seem happy, get more work done and their commute tends to be stepping over the cat in the morning. I suspect that going into the office will be a thing of the past for most companies.
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Apple Park cost Apple 5 Billion Dollars.

Tim Cook Does not think so... coming from a CEO who's running a multi-trillion dollar company.

"For all that we've been able to achieve while many of us have been separated, the truth is that there has been something essential missing from this past year: each other," Cook wrote, per The Verge.

"Video conference calling has narrowed the distance between us, to be sure, but there are things it simply cannot replicate," he added.

“For now, let me simply say that I look forward to seeing your faces,” he said in closing. “I know I’m not alone in missing the hum of activity, the energy, creativity and collaboration of our in-person meetings and the sense of community we’ve all built.”

www.theverge.com

Apple asks staff to return to office three days a week starting in early September

Tim Cook said Apple employees can work remotely twice a week.
www.theverge.com www.theverge.com
 
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