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The absolute vitriol and bitterness in these comments.
Bet you anything you want that come October we'll be seeing a few articles about a group of these same lazy whiners, er Apple Employees, pissing and moaning about having to put down their early-morning cocktails, turn off The Price is Right and actually get off the couch to "wfh".
 
What search terms did you use? Google is drunk with links, but here you go:



it'd be nice to see the actual data than to hear an estimate from someone that got it wrong the first time around. also using terms like "double jabbed"
 
They can find a new job then. This is not Apple’s job. They have a business to run. Also, vaccines are available. This is by choice.
I agree. Get vaccinated and go back to work. Essentially zero hospitalizations and deaths for vaccinated folks. If someone doesn't want to get vaccinated, they can be required to wear a mask all day at work. That gets old fast. Great motivation to get the jab.
BTW - I could see some companies making a business decision to get out from under the high cost of office space and allowing rmore remote working and shared office spaces. But, this is probably not the case for Apple, since they already built and financed the space in Silicone Valley.
 
it'd be nice to see the actual data than to hear an estimate from someone that got it wrong the first time around. also using terms like "double jabbed"

LOL.

You believe the U.K.’s “chief scientific advisor” doesn’t have the data?
 
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I know this will spark outrage, but as long as half the US refuses to vaccinate, we should be shutting things down again anyway. Our response has been pathetic. Can you imagine us responding to the world wars this way? Having the tools at our disposal to defeat a common enemy and doing so little about it. The UK, as well, has been terrible.

There has been no long term planning. Our success and failure have been at the mercy of the pharmaceutical industry, which have been a godsend and the only part of this that have worked, and then we reject the gift. So we have to make alternative plans because this virus will keep mutating and the vaccines will keep getting weaker in their effect.

I say shut down the retail stores, as well. Delta is percolating in more people than we know including the vaccinated, mutating.

This is now a long term problem and it requires cohesiveness. Global vaccination. What an embarrassment that we can't even vaccinate the country where the vaccine is most available.

I doubt Apple backed down as much from the original letter's complaint as they did from the health reality that everyone is facing. But they should do the right thing and shutter the retail stores for all their employees then.
Why should we shut down again? Per the CDC, vaccinated people are: unlikely to be hospitalized, extremely unlikely to die from COVID, and very unlikely to transmit the disease because they carry a low viral load. So, who are we protecting by shutting down? 1. Adults who refuse to get vaccinated? 2. Children under 12 y.o. that can’t be vaccinated? Unvaccinated adults rolled the dice and took their chances. We can’t shut down the country while these folks figure it out. We will be waiting forever. At this point, it is like trying to convince someone to change their religion. Not going to happen. As for kids under 12, look at the data on childhood mortality from COVID. It is incredibly rare. Any child lost is tragic, but there are so many other things that kill many many more kids and we aren’t shutting the country down for them.

At some point there has to be some personal responsibility. Medical experts are twisting themselves in pretzels right now giving conflicting guidance and stepping all over the message. Keep it simple. If you are vaccinated your good to go. That was the CDC guidance. We should stick to it.
 
But think how much worse it would have been without the vaccinations in the UK for example. Their cases have skyrocketed while hospitalizations and deaths did not rise at the same rate.
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this.

I just don’t get where everyone’s heads at regarding lockdowns and vaccines. In January everyone was locked down and we had over a 1000 deaths a day.

now we have 60,000 people in football stadiums and every single shop / pub / restaurant open yet we are seeing 50 deaths a day maybe?

cant people do the maths and see how vaccines have allowed people to be out and about without 1000s a day dying?

it’s all basic maths. Had we not had lockdown how on earth could we have stopped thousands of people unnecessarily dying without a vaccine being available?

look at India and Brazil to see some of the effects of this without finding a way to distance people. At least half of the U.K. has been working from home for a year or more. Do people not understand how much that has saved people’s lives?

the one thing I remember about last March is that people were wearing masks and avoiding people way before The government in the U.K. mandated anything. When they are scared they don’t care what the government says or recommends. The same will happen if this gets worse. People will do what they need to do.
 
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cant people do the maths and see how vaccines have allowed people to be out and about without 1000s a day dying?

This is silly. Those same people could have been out and about 15 months ago. Deaths are down because COVID creamed the most vulnerable last year, not because vaccines suddenly made it safe for 30-somethings to be in a pub. How can people still not understand this?
 
Why not slowly ramp up? As in, start with requiring people to come only 1-2 days a week and keeping them in separate groups/schedules to reduce inter-mingling, then slowly increase the # of days and increase the commingling over a few months?

I know, I’m bringing logic to a MR thread, which can be dangerous :p
 
Why not slowly ramp up? As in, start with requiring people to come only 1-2 days a week and keeping them in separate groups/schedules to reduce inter-mingling, then slowly increase the # of days and increase the commingling over a few months?

I know, I’m bringing logic to a MR thread, which can be dangerous :p

Not really much difference between Apple’s three-day plan and your two-day plan.

It’s moot, anyway, since many if not most of the employees who want to WFH full-time clearly no longer live near Cupertino, which is what’s driving this whole thing.
 
Anyone who believes shutdowns work should not be taken seriously.
Every example shows it just backloads the effects. This religious belief is the meeting of scientific lack of articulation and popular ignorance. The "science' never said it would go away if we all stayed inside forever. No medical professional ever believed that. But people like this poster think it will do that. And, again, should not be taken seriously.

And if half the US doesnt want to get vaccinated...thats none of your business. "But they can give it to others!" Well, according to the vaccine folks, vaccinated people can still transmit it..so...

What it comes down to is the inherent helplessness of the vaccine fanatics. It will never be enough for them, they are broken, and theyre also enjoying their morality trip. I'm vaccinated, but I am not a vaccine fanatic.

Get on with your life. Let others do the same. If you're protected, you're protected. If you believe the only way to be safe is to stay inside, then you should do so, not force everyone else to.

Spreading fake information about something which then hurts the population, cause deaths, spread fear is a form of terrorism. (Might be a weak form of terrorism, but it kills thousand times more) Such people should be held responsible for their obvious lies.

One can question the quality of vaccination, but not spread information telling that it modifies DNA, kills by thousands or help the government tracking down people, inject 5G cells, make your body magnetic, etc.
 
Spreading fake information about something which then hurts the population, cause deaths, spread fear is a form of terrorism. (Might be a weak form of terrorism, but it kills thousand times more) Such people should be held responsible for their obvious lies.

One can question the quality of vaccination, but not spread information telling that it modifies DNA, kills by thousands or help the government tracking down people, inject 5G cells, make your body magnetic, etc.

California is emptying its prisons, but now we’re going to lock people up for Facebook memes?
 
It’s pure madness to force people back to the office at this point in time. If people feel unsafe, they should be allowed to work from home until covid is gone. Let the people that want to go back to the office back in September, but let the people that aren’t comfortable putting themselves in danger from covid stay where they are.
 
Anyone who believes shutdowns work should not be taken seriously.


Spreading fake information about something which then hurts the population, cause deaths, spread fear is a form of terrorism. (Might be a weak form of terrorism, but it kills thousand times more) Such people should be held responsible for their obvious lies.

One can question the quality of vaccination, but not spread information telling that it modifies DNA, kills by thousands or help the government tracking down people, inject 5G cells, make your body magnetic, etc.
Then media is your number 1 terrorist. Spreads fear just perfectly. And lies just about everything, distorting people lives, wasting their time, forcing them to think the only way to survive is to get jabbed. Works on people, who believe there is a government and not a spectacle of puppeteered dolls. If media would cease to exist - there wouldn't be a pandemic, just a new kind of seasonal flu, that's been goin' around for years, that everyone would forget about in a month.
 
I know that that now I am back in my work office I am far less productive than I have been working at home for over a year. I have to get up earlier, deal with the driving commute, have many more distractions at work = deal with time thieves, more wasted meetings - the whole experience creates more stress with more chance of wasted time. I work on graphics design on a computer every day so working at home was possible and productive.

Working from home allowed me to walk straight to my desk and crack on, which usually resulted in me working longer hours every day as I wasn't following forced time patterns (commute, lunchtimes etc). Not having to deal with the daily commute made a huge difference to my mental wellbeing. If I had the option to refuse to return to the office I would have grabbed it with both hands. I feel my business just wanted me back in the office building so they could keep tabs on my activity and get me to deal with work outside of my contracted tasks.
 
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It seems the majority are missing the obvious here?
If cases rise and staff are bought back to Apple HQ, you have a high chance of infections across Apple staff rising and the next thing you know half your staff are self isolating. It's far more sensible from both a practical and business perspective to keep the status quo.
 
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As wie say here in Germany, "Envy is the sincerest form of recognition." and this clearly shows in some of the replies to this topic. Combined with "I can't do this, so others should not be allowed either".

The world is changing and you can either change with it or go down, but please do not complain when the economy is suffering (again), because some companies and people did not want to change. Of course you could blame others for your own failure, but this would not change anything.
 
The above is nonsense. 60% of the U.K.’s new COVID hospitalizations are people who were vaccinated.

That isn't true anymore, I was very worried when they said that in yesterday's press conference, then at around 8:30PM Vallance made a Twitter, not a press release, a Twitter about how he was totally wrong and that 60% of those in U.K. hospitals with Covid are NOT vaccinated. So he got millions worried because he made a huge mistake


IMO a mistake like that deserved a press release but hey ho.
 
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