Apple Will Delay Bringing New Features to Users in the EU

[omenatarhuri]

It really doesn't. I prefer the EU rules keeping the markets relatively safe. From the article all I can see that we've lost is, "Tools such as "visited places" in the Maps app will not be available". No other details to cry about at the moment.

If you really think side-loading apps and fragmenting purchase options online rather than centralized store with single set of rules will make these things safe, I respectfully disagree.

I'd much rather give Apple's closed system to kids, elderly or just tech non-savvy people.

 

[Shirasaki]

Yeah, like Apple is in a good position to lose sales now. 🥲
They already lost China, now they want to lose market share in the EU too? Bad idea. Tim Cook needs to do an 180 and stop fighting common sense.

Those US key stakeholders might threaten to pull out investment if he didn’t go and abandon EU market so he could keep selling iPhone in US. Technically Apple isn’t even a company registered in US, so can be kicked out of US if being told to. Either he will go or the company will go.
With that being said, losing out China right when Apple is the most vulnerable and desperately need China’s manufacturing powerhouse would cripple Apple faster than most people realise. I seriously doubt Apple can even afford to lose EU or China in the near future.

 

[surferfb]

Those US key stakeholders might threaten to pull out investment if he didn’t go and abandon EU market so he could keep selling iPhone in US. Technically Apple isn’t even a company registered in US, so can be kicked out of US if being told to. Either he will go or the company will go.
With that being said, losing out China right when Apple is the most vulnerable and desperately need China’s manufacturing powerhouse would cripple Apple faster than most people realise. I seriously doubt Apple can even afford to lose EU or China in the near future.

The EU represents 10-15% of Apple’s revenue. That’s not nothing, and losing it would hurt, but Apple could absolutely afford to.

To be abundantly clear, they’re not going to leave over this; just saying they could afford to if push came to shove.

 

[H2SO4]

If you really think side-loading apps and fragmenting purchase options online rather than centralized store with single set of rules will make these things safe, I respectfully disagree.

I'd much rather give Apple's closed system to kids, elderly or just tech non-savvy people.

Luckily then, you can move/or stay outside of the EU?
How does “side=loading” affect the Mac adversely? Do we see Apple restricting use of those devices in a similar manner? That's a big fat NO.
EDIT: To add to that have you ever run software on any Apple device that you didn't obtain directly from Apple?

 

[switz]

Been using Apple products since 1990. I have also used Windows on various Intel boxes. Windows became such a support headache it was discarded. I am quite content with the Apple system of component integration. It all just works for me.

The commentary implies that no one else in the EU has the smarts or capability to replicate this Apple system so the best effort is to try and appropriate the technology and not pay for it.

Apple has spent billions over the years with lots of engineers and other techies to get their system operational and maintained.

I do not like freeloaders with a sense of entitlement. Create your own eco system.

 

[turbineseaplane]

The commentary implies that no one else in the EU has the smarts or capability to replicate this Apple system so the best effort is to try and appropriate the technology and not pay for it.

That's really not an accurate take on things -- at all, but "ok".

 

[hanske68]

Apple is so childish. If they cannot make something secure, it makes me wonder why I would still purchase Apple stuff.

If you lock your living space like it is a prison, is it still a home or a nasty prison?

 

[hanske68]

Been using Apple products since 1990. I have also used Windows on various Intel boxes. Windows became such a support headache it was discarded. I am quite content with the Apple system of component integration. It all just works for me.

The commentary implies that no one else in the EU has the smarts or capability to replicate this Apple system so the best effort is to try and appropriate the technology and not pay for it.

Apple has spent billions over the years with lots of engineers and other techies to get their system operational and maintained.

I do not like freeloaders with a sense of entitlement. Create your own eco system.

But most people don't like paying for 'the wonderful stuff' without receiving it either. So...

 

[turbineseaplane]

Apple is so childish. If they cannot make something secure, it makes me wonder why I would still purchase Apple stuff.

If you lock your living space like it is a prison, is it still a home or a nasty prison?

And the thing that just keeps getting looked over is how the Mac is great, open, flexible, secure ... there's no paranoia about "security" and "privacy" and all the other buzzwords Apple likes to throw around on this topic.

The answer is right in front of us, from the same company.

Use the security model of the Mac, which works great, today -- right now.

ALL OF THIS is about them wanting the iOS revenue lock down situation they found themselves enjoying, sort of as a happy accident that grew into "the whole enchilada".

Now, as a result, we have "Services Revenue" swallowing up all other goals of the company and completely wagging the dog on product and design decisions.

 

[I7guy]

Well. I guess Apple can if they want dismantle their marketshare and answer to their shareholders why they are giving up billions by intentionally giving up the initiative and not deploying competing features 🤷‍♂️

And google and meta will follow.

Apple Maps started with close to zero users and crappy data and accuracy. Sometimes youngsters to invest that capital and resources to make it viable

Yeah I wasn’t happy with Apple Maps at the beginning. But I use it when I don’t feel like being tracked.

 

[hanske68]

Apple is forgetting that they are big only because developers allow them to become big. If nobody would build sotware for their devices, they would not survive with their bling-bling only. Their own software is rather crappy. By isolating everything and claiming everything, in the end, they kill the ecosystem that is feeding them. Mark my words: if they abandon a system that allows developers to build great things, in the end Apple will end up in history books as the next nokia, being overshadowed by companies that still fight for something damn good, instead the old farmer milking its cows.

The thing is: Tim is nog a visionary, has no interest in quality, it is just a greedy salesman, like too many these days. He will probabely be very happy about himself, but that is more often the nature of such people. In the end, they are not contributing to the world, they are not shifting bits, just shifting $$$.

 

[turbineseaplane]

If nobody would build sotware for their devices, they would not survive with their bling-bling only. Their own software is rather crappy.

...and has only gotten worse under Tim.

I fondly remember when Apple used to build Apps that set the quality standard and were considered "the example to follow".

They just gave up on making class leading first party native Apps.
It's very sad for long timers.

 

[hanske68]

...and has only gotten worse under Tim.

I fondly remember when Apple used to build Apps that set the quality standard and were considered "the example to follow".

They just gave up on making class leading first party native Apps.
It's very sad for long timers.

"It just works" has become "It just sells"?

 

[I7guy]

Apple is forgetting that they are big only because developers allow them to become big.

False. Apple is big because they deliver products and services that people want to buy. Devs create apps because it is a winning formula, even if some fine see it or disagree.

If nobody would build sotware for their devices, they would not survive with their bling-bling only. Their own software is rather crappy.

Their own software is very good.

By isolating everything and claiming everything, in the end, they kill the ecosystem that is feeding them. Mark my words: if they abandon a system that allows developers to build great things, in the end Apple will end up in history books as the next nokia, being overshadowed by companies that still fight for something damn good, instead the old farmer milking its cows.

Hyperbole.

The thing is: Tim is nog a visionary,

False again.

has no interest in quality, it is just a greedy salesman,

Here’s an example of a greedy salesman - Ken lay. He hoodwinked a lot of people to sucker them in. Tim cannot hoodwink people as Apple in under a microscope. Tim has grown Apple from where it was in 2011 to today.

like too many these days. He will probabely be very happy about himself, but that is more often the nature of such people. In the end, they are not contributing to the world, they are not shifting bits, just shifting $$$.

More hyperbole.

 

[surferfb]

And the thing that just keeps getting looked over is how the Mac is great, open, flexible, secure ... there's no paranoia about "security" and "privacy" and all the other buzzwords Apple likes to throw around on this topic.

The answer is right in front of us, from the same company.

Use the security model of the Mac, which works great, today -- right now.

I really think you’re discounting 1) the scale of iOS vs. the Mac and 2) the fact that that the Mac actually doesn’t work great for a large number of non technical users.

ALL OF THIS is about them wanting the iOS revenue lock down situation they found themselves enjoying, sort of as a happy accident that grew into "the whole enchilada".

Now, as a result, we have "Services Revenue" swallowing up all other goals of the company and completely wagging the dog on product and design decisions.

I’m not naive enough to argue the money doesn’t play a role, or even a large one, but I truly believe Apple would open up if it thought it was in the best interests of their users. I don’t think you can legitimately argue “all of this” is about protecting services revenue.

I dont think the idea that “Tim Cook is greedy and only cares about money and ROI and stakeholders” is borne out when looking at the facts. If that were the case he’d be doing targeting advertising, not investing in environmental initiatives, monetizing iMessage, etc.

The fact of the matter is the many same people who were arguing “Apple is doomed to irrelevance if they don’t open iOS, Android is going to eat their lunch” are now arguing “iOS is an unstoppable monopoly because it’s locked down, it must be opened up.” They can’t have it both ways.

 

[Tanax]

No experience with Fitness+, but regarding News+...how would that work? Given the plethora of English-publications in Apple News+, what would, oh, say, a Greek version look like? Apple News+ with some Greek publications added, A.I.-driven translation of English publications like one might do using the Chrome browser on foreign language webpages, or what? And how does the E.U. 'make it more tricky' for them?

No idea how it would work in Greece, but in my country, Sweden, 99% of the people speak English. So having English articles would be completely fine. Just like having English fitness classes would be completely fine.

What I meant by that is that EU has more laws and restrictions, therefore making Apple having to jump through more hoops to be compliant. I'm not complaining though, I'm just saying that it objectively creates more work for Apple to be compliant.

 

[Shirasaki]

The EU represents 10-15% of Apple’s revenue. That’s not nothing, and losing it would hurt, but Apple could absolutely afford to.

To be abundantly clear, they’re not going to leave over this; just saying they could afford to if push came to shove.

So only 10-15%? Well then maybe Apple can consider pulling out. Not like they want to unless there’s no other options.

 

[surferfb]

So only 10-15%? Well then maybe Apple can consider pulling out. Not like they want to unless there’s no other options.

Yes. Apple’s “Europe” market segment is more than that, but it also includes all non-EU countries, India, and the Middle East; India and the UK are both bigger than any single EU country. I’ve even seen estimates lower than 10% for EU.

Again, Apple isn’t going to pull out over this. Even if the EU wins 100% of its court cases and Apple is forced to do everything they want, the fact of the matter is the DMA is so poorly written and thought through that it isn’t going to achieve its goals.

 

[Shirasaki]

the fact of the matter is the DMA is so poorly written and thought through that it isn’t going to achieve its goals.

Well at least they tried and still trying. Can’t fault for that.

 

[surferfb]

Well at least they tried and still trying. Can’t fault for that.

I mean, I do because I think they should know better at this point, but understand reasonable people disagree on that.

 

[omenatarhuri]

Edit: never mind, delete.

 

[delsoul]

Next thing you know, the EU will sue Apple for NOT bringing the features over to them. 🙄

 

[delsoul]

Been using Apple products since 1990. I have also used Windows on various Intel boxes. Windows became such a support headache it was discarded. I am quite content with the Apple system of component integration. It all just works for me.

The commentary implies that no one else in the EU has the smarts or capability to replicate this Apple system so the best effort is to try and appropriate the technology and not pay for it.

Apple has spent billions over the years with lots of engineers and other techies to get their system operational and maintained.

I do not like freeloaders with a sense of entitlement. Create your own eco system.

They had their chance with Ericsson and Nokia, two titans of mobile phone industry at the turn of the century…and look what they did with it…two companies that couldn’t compete and now the EU is taking their anger out on the rest of the world because they’re upset they can’t compete. It’s strange how foreign a concept it is to so many EU residents, if you don’t like something, don’t buy it. The company has zero obligation to build something the way YOU want them to. If you feel so strongly about it, go build your own phone and operating system. That way you can have your nanny laws govern every single aspect, you’ll have zero features, and you won’t have to moan that even the most minute detail somehow offends you.

Create your own eco-system since the EU is a bunch of know it alls that have it figured out.

 

[laptech]

Apple are talking utter BS. China has way more restrictions than the EU does but Apple were able to provide China with everything they asked for without any complaints or issues but when the EU starts waving restrictions around suddenly it becomes a major problem with Apple moaning and complaining every time and every step of the way.

Apple are doing what they are doing to spite the EU for having the nerve to take on Apple but of course Apple will cite it being lots of other things. Apple's ego got hurt and they didn't like it and now they are taking it out on the EU.

 

[H2SO4]

They had their chance with Ericsson and Nokia, two titans of mobile phone industry at the turn of the century…and look what they did with it…two companies that couldn’t compete and now the EU is taking their anger out on the rest of the world because they’re upset they can’t compete. It’s strange how foreign a concept it is to so many EU residents, if you don’t like something, don’t buy it. The company has zero obligation to build something the way YOU want them to. If you feel so strongly about it, go build your own phone and operating system. That way you can have your nanny laws govern every single aspect, you’ll have zero features, and you won’t have to moan that even the most minute detail somehow offends you.

Create your own eco-system since the EU is a bunch of know it alls that have it figured out.

What a ridiculous post.
The EU have no obligation to run its market the way YOU, (or Apple), want them to. If they feel so strongly Apple can limit itself to US sales.
A lot of us like our nanny laws.