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Apple has been found guilty of abuse of dominance in the EU several times.
They have also best epic in the epic vs Apple trial. Although they poked the judge but the case is under appeal.
 
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"but you can switch to android and windows!"
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And so you'll have to possibly get rid of thousands of euros of Apple products because some guy on a forum said so.
If one listens to the guy on a forum and takes the forum guys advice. Sure.
This is why this debate exists, it's because apple uses closed ecosystems across the entire planet, no matter the legislation of each country they operate in.
That’s called a vertically integrated ecosystem. And Apple customers like it.
That's unless their bottom line gets affected of course, ffs they kowtowed to Putin in 2021 to have certain apps preinstalled when you buy a new iphone
So you understand businesses do occasionally do certain things out of band. Or only Apple gets criticized if they do it.
 
This is why the Europeans cannot have nice things.
Privacy and competition are nice things. There is no reason to give corporations full access to your life and monopoly powers just so you can enjoy Apple (Un)intelligence or whatever. Corps also block features to get people angry in order to pressure their governments to remove user protections, it’s absurd that people fall for this.
 
Blame Apple, not the EU.

Apple are somehow able to do nearly anything it takes to comply (and on reasonable timelines) in China.

Apple are choosing to behave this way.
I don’t blame anyone. It’s politicians trying to do what they think is right, and corporate striking balance between risks and profits.

It just sucks to be the consumer that has to settle for less as a result.
 
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And what do you think will happen if Apple continue delaying or withholding the features, thus falling behind Google Maps, Waze, HERE and other competitors?

All of these third party apps are readily available on iOS, so Apple Maps might just start losing the user base. Less users = less live data, less live data = less accuracy, so this could draw even more people away.

It is not good neither for Apple, nor for users who happen to like and use Apple Maps, like myself.
This is probably an accurate depiction of what will happen. Apple's market share will flatten in the EU and then slowly shrink as a result.
 
No one in Europe actually likes the EU. The smaller countries need it to compete globally, but that’s about survival, not affection. The foundational ideas were solid, a shared currency, open borders, economic cooperation. But Brussels has become power-hungry and completely out of touch. The patronizing EU now micromanages everything down to how loud your vacuum cleaner can be. It’s absurd.
What?? LOL! The EU is the best thing that has happened to Europe in the last 80 years! It protects consumers, it unifies standards, it gives small countries a louder voice, it gives big nations more power on the world stage, it brings peace and unity. Surely not everybody loves its politics, especially the far right would like to leave the EU. But the big majority is pro EU.

Plus if you don't like the politicians in Brussels vote for other parties.
 
In my corner of the world Apple is extremely popular. Many people have the trifecta of Apple products: MacBooks, iPhone, iPad, watch and AirPods. Teens in the US are obsessed with iPhones. I gather it’s a geographical thing. But people buy what they think is best for them.
I'm in the UK so no blue bubble nonsense. My partner loves her iPhone and apple watch, but its a pain sending pics of our dogs to each other, other than through WhatsApp. If airdrop\quickshare was cross compatible, it would make life a lot easier, like I can Samsung to pixel etc
 
That’s what I say. When Apple, meta and google finally had enough and pack up and leave.

It is not that easy. Apple do not want “pack and leave” a wealthy 400 million European market. Besides, the EC might be spearheading these laws, but other countries are implementing them too (listed alphabetically): Brazil, India, Japan, South Korea, the UK. There are more countries preparing to introduce similar laws and some others are “considering it”. To sum it up, it is not the EU generated anti-anything anomaly.
 
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It is not that easy. Apple do not want “pack and leave” a wealthy 400 million European market. Besides, the EC might be spearheading these laws, but other countries are implementing them too (listed alphabetically): Brazil, India, Japan, South Korea, the UK. There are more countries preparing to introduce similar laws and some others are “considering it”. To sum it up, it is not the EU generated anti-anything anomaly.
It would be a good idea if the EU could advise and support other countries in implementing similar laws.
 
It is not that easy. Apple do not want “pack and leave” a wealthy 400 million European market. Besides, the EC might be spearheading these laws, but other countries are implementing them too (listed alphabetically): Brazil, India, Japan, South Korea, the UK. There are more countries preparing to introduce similar laws and some others are “considering it”. To sum it up, it is not the EU generated anti-anything anomaly.
It’s the eu that’s turning Apple into a public utility.
 
I suspect the average EU consumer will understand the situation and who to actually blame.

(Apple)

I don’t think the average EU consumer will do that. Apple has far more to worry about with respect to a general EU boycott of American products over Trump’s tariff and military policies.
 
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That’s what I say. When Apple, meta and google finally had enough and pack up and leave.
It would take some time to adjust, but it could be a net positive for the European tech sector.

Tim, Mark, Sundar, let's do this 💪.
 
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If one listens to the guy on a forum and takes the forum guys advice. Sure.

That’s called a vertically integrated ecosystem. And Apple customers like it.

So you understand businesses do occasionally do certain things out of band. Or only Apple gets criticized if they do it.
The reason why Apple keeps being targeted is that they built an underdog image that they refined into a "luxury brand available to everyone" so this is why they are the ones getting more scrutiny. However, fundamentally speaking, they're just like other corporations.

Apple customers like it? I'm pretty sure most people don't know what a "vertically integrated ecosystem" is. They might like how airdrop works. But this feature is also replicated on other products. What isn't replicated is big tech successfully making you pay for the same apps you bought on iOS, should you switch to Android. And that apple watch, which is one of the most popular watches in the world? imagine telling Seiko in the 70s that you'd need another expensive product to make a watch work, you'd be laughed out of the building, but here we are.
 
Also, the reason why tech forums, including Apple users are expressing more discontent is, in my opinion, because of the American tech sector having too much power and influence over societies across the entire world.

I think it goes beyond "ever since tim cook became the CEO" or even "ever since flat design became the next big thing". Consumer tech is boring. The smartphone industry timeline, sans foldables, stopped cold in 2020 and that's being generous tbh. It's like analyzing fridges, sure you'll have your enthusiasts but that's it.

Nothing Phone 2a/3a is the new guy that tried something different, especially since it was also pretty affordable, but it still had its limitations. Plus I'm pretty sure women aren't lining up to buy this thing.
 
As someone that lives in Europe... Why can't EU just allow companies to innovate? This "regulate instead of innovate" is getting really really annoying with EU.
Ironically, their actions are killing innovation.
 
And what do you think will happen if Apple continue delaying or withholding the features, thus falling behind Google Maps, Waze, HERE and other competitors?

All of these third party apps are readily available on iOS, so Apple Maps might just start losing the user base. Less users = less live data, less live data = less accuracy, so this could draw even more people away.

It is not good neither for Apple, nor for users who happen to like and use Apple Maps, like myself.
Apple gernally speaking doesn't complete with other companies, they do their own thing at their own pace.
 
It is not that easy. Apple do not want “pack and leave” a wealthy 400 million European market. Besides, the EC might be spearheading these laws, but other countries are implementing them too (listed alphabetically): Brazil, India, Japan, South Korea, the UK. There are more countries preparing to introduce similar laws and some others are “considering it”. To sum it up, it is not the EU generated anti-anything anomaly.
How much of that 400 million is outside of the EU?
 
The EU wasn’t able to find Apple a limply so they invented a new term to catch Apple; gatekeeper. Even though Apple has a minority share across thebEU. None of those manufacturers of cars, tvs, game consoles are called gatekeepers. But some streaming services should.

The DMA is badly written as a “law” and attempts to deprive Apple of their revenue. Hence Apple is trying to follow the law.

The DMA is hurting everybody and innovation.apple withholding features is to avoid giving away their r&d for free.
There where a lot of other gatekeepers on the list. But they all made small changes and complied. A lot of them even rolled out those things globally to keep it simple.

Apple is basically the only one trying to do everything except comply. They even create different flavours of the OS for each continent. We get a lot of EU features soon that US customers will never get because they don’t care about their users.

We get stuff like: notifications for third-party smartwatches, SharePlay availability on non-Apple platforms, AirDrop and AirPlay interoperability, Accessing contactless payment credentials via NFC on other devices and more.

Streaming services are not gatekeepers. They do not control downstream access to third-party sellers, advertisers, or apps in the way that, for example, Apple (App Store) or Google (Search/Ads) does. So they lack gatekeeping power over market access.
 
So for Apple to be "compatible" with european rulling they would have to support German language on the same level as Estonian or Greek which is hard to do at AI level bc you either need new models with data from that language (impossible) or you need a huge model with no specific language which will work for every language on Earth.
Interesting, but I don't understand how this works because it then seems like Apple wouldn't be able to operate in the E.U. because wouldn't they have to support all E.U. member main languages at the same level as they support English? I can't imagine that happens. I take it you mean just A.I. features would have to support those languages equally?

For now Apple in EU is seen like (don't want to call it a racist but it is close) brand which says something like: we will support California and New Yourk and Texas but not Nebraska and Montana bc the US government is pushing US to do so, probably you would agree that it sound funny at least.
Very strange; Apple doesn't care about the color of your skin, only your currency.

And in the U.S., quite a number of goods and services are much harder to access in rural locales vs. large urban ones (I'm old enough to remember America before online shopping, and I spent most of my childhood in a really rural area). What drives this is practical, not racism or other bias. In Montana you probably won't be catching a subway train...but I suspect land is often a lot cheaper.

It will never cease to amaze me how a clientele that insists they buy Apple products because they value privacy -- and I assume by extension the ability to have a say in how their personal data is collected, used, shared and whatnot -- continues to take such offence with the fact that that websites have to get their consent for collecting data that isn't necessary to run the provided service.
While valuing privacy is a nice plus, I don't think privacy concerns specifically drive most Mac and iOS device sales.

Most people wouldn't care to deal with a site they wouldn't trust cookies from, don't know what said cookies really do, the site says it may not work fully without cookies, and so...people click 'Accept All' with hardly any benefit from this function.

For many users, it adds hassle and no benefit.

Exactly. It's not a monopoly, it's abuse of power. They deliberately withhold platform features to bork competition and strengthen their own position. People say that European companies cannot innovate but how can they when core APIs are withheld from their use?

The ADF will come out and say that it's Apple's platform and that they can do what they like. But when it's at the detriment of consumer choice it's a big problem.
I'm guessing they can innovate on Android and Windows? And it seems like their selective innovation would bolster those platforms and give them a serious competitive advantage.

It would be easier to accept the E.U.'s ire toward Apple's 'walled garden' ecosystem approach if Android and Windows didn't offer obvious pretty open platform alternatives.

Apple's approach lets them offer a level of integration and 'slick' operation, and capitalize on that investment to profit. In a sense, the Apple and Android/Windows platforms offer users the best of both worlds....a choice between open and walled platforms, each with its own pro.s and con.s.

People will quote the games industry but show an ignorance as to how that market works. Nintendo might make the best games on their own platforms but they only do so because they are the best company. No APIs or dev tools are withheld from 3rd parties. If they were nobody would build any games for the Switch. But they might for PlayStation. Or Xbox. Or SteamOS. Or PC. Or mobile. Or the flipping Playdate because in that market a small company can release a piece of hardware and succeed.
Then 3rd parties will selectively bolster Android and Windows platforms.

If I understand correctly, you can't buy and download Nintendo Switch games from 3rd party websites; they have to come from Nintendo's own site. I don't think Nintendo is considered a highly open platform. They may have a different approach to a 'walled' ecosystem, but they like their cut of the action.

Also, the reason why tech forums, including Apple users are expressing more discontent is, in my opinion, because of the American tech sector having too much power and influence over societies across the entire world.
One could argue the reverse is true, but going with your argument, why is that? China came out with social media alternative platforms (of course, an autocratic government banning foreign competition in a country with a huge population and technical expertise has some advantages that way).

So why aren't we seeing more E.U. tech sector platforms hitting the big leagues?
 
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