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Virgil-TB2

macrumors 65816
Aug 3, 2007
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Yeah we get it, you hate the USA. :rolleyes: No matter what is done here nothing will satisfy you.

Your argument however is silly.
Just talking the facts Jessica. It's your response that's full of "hatin."

A part of my point is that the USA is kind of prudish relatively speaking and they got that religion thing getting in the way also, but another aspect is that there are other countries and religions that are even *more* prudish.

Some of the stuff that Apple thinks is "okay" and is on the store now, is offensive to Muslims and Muslim countries for instance. Everybody has different ideas of what's okay or not.

It's hypocritical in the extreme to say that those Muslims are just being "prudish" when they don't want apps where you can see a female in a bikini, and then turn around and say that it's "offensive" to see boobies. These are one and the same thing.

It's pretty much the textbook definition of "hypocrisy."
 

wolfshades

macrumors 6502
Nov 1, 2007
485
625
Toronto, Ontario Canada
Apple has done nothing to limit anyone's access to pornography. They are simply exercising their freedom to sell the products they wish to sell.

Nobody is forcing you to sell porn, are they? No one is criticizing you for making the choice not to be in the porn business, are they? So why criticize Apple?

Apple can do as they like. I'm not going to say they can't or shouldn't. I just question their logic on it, that's all. Are they trying to protect us from our bad thoughts about our naughty places? Is that it?
 

applecultvictim

macrumors 6502a
Mar 27, 2009
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This is a fascinating discussion. Glad it was posted. "Porn as a trap" is intself an interesting point, as is the fact that so many agree with it. I think it, like almost anything else, can be addictive.

However, I'm not certain we need societal controls to keep us from triggering the trap. Do we?

I feel we really do, I think availability makes matters much, much worse. Take for example the violence explosion in the states with kids getting a gun and killing tens of other kids in one go, just to say a very blatant example. Sex is an instinct of sorts (although instinct is a rather tired term) you can't fill up your room with porn and expect to "behave", we are naturally drawn to it and for a good reason. Hence, like someone wisely said, it's a trap, you can't plant traps all over the place and cross your fingers you dont step on them.

I really believe that ALL vices should be legal, drugs, prostitution, porn, but very very strictly regulated.

Of course the mob that's pocketed 3/4 of the politicians around the world will not like my opinion and don't want to lose their guaranteed profits and hence this backwards hypocritical situation we have know.

But what can you do when these guys have pocketed presidents and prime ministers around the globe and own them?:eek:
 

NinjaHERO

macrumors 6502a
Aug 29, 2008
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U S of A
It's their store and they are welcome to censor what they want. It's an anti freedom move, but a smart business practice.

As long as my safari app keeps getting the P Hub, all is good.
 

HyperZboy

macrumors 65816
Feb 7, 2007
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This is one of those stories that just truly brings out the Apple fanboys in this forum. What's so hysterically funny is that if Steve Jobs told half of you to watch porn, bark like a dog, and drink urine, the same people applauding this move would say "Yay Apple!" LOL

But seriously, I can understand people not wanting porn on their iPhone.
But keep in mind, your cable or satellite TV most likely has access to porn, so why not your iPhone?

And just like your cable or satellite TV, your iPhone has Parental Controls now in 3.0 to prevent children from having access.

So how could anyone in their right mind who isn't a total Apple tool/fanboy say this is a good move by Apple?

C'mon, somebody give me a good reason that's not as dumb as all of the ones posted so far.......
 

Virgil-TB2

macrumors 65816
Aug 3, 2007
1,143
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Please tell me you're trolling. That argument makes zero sense. :confused:

no porn apps = iphone sinkage? :rolleyes:
No.

No control over content equals iPhone sinking.

There are regional stores that *should* operate under the general mores of the country in which they are located. There are also ample content controls now.

In that situation, for Apple to say that all content decisions are controlled by Apple HQ in the USA, based on the USA's idea of what's morally right or wrong is a disaster waiting to happen.

Previously, people were assuming it was the lack of parental controls that was at issue, but is this is true, it's saying that despite those controls, Apple will still tell you what you are allowed to view or publish. At minimum, the people in Europe are not going to take that for very long because it's ridiculous.

Turn it around and imagine that Apple is a European company, and they decide that "violence" in games is an immoral issue and they simply won't allow it. How do you think the average US citizen would react to that?

It's total hypocrisy (if true.)
 

superwesman

macrumors newbie
Jun 27, 2007
10
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nudity rating

Apple's rating system does seem to allow for "nudity" specifically.

People aren't looking at the big picture here. The ratings aren't just for apps. They are also used for movie rentals which are much more likely to contain nudity. The presence of the word "nudity" in a rating description does not have any bearing on their application rejection policies.
 

displaced

macrumors 65816
Jun 23, 2003
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Gravesend, United Kingdom
I'm slightly surprised in that I thought the ratings system would allow fine control by the user over what was accessible.

Content ratings and a filtering method is the only 'just' answer to this as far as I can see. It's the only way that users and producers are free of Apple's 'nebulous' standards. The recent example of the eReader app being banned because the Kama Sutra was accessible illustrates the crux of the problem: one man's porn is another man's art.

Apple have left themselves in an awkward position. They now have to evaluate the context of each possibly-adult app and somehow accept/reject based on that context. Most countries have some sort of obscene publications statute – it would be much more appropriate for Apple to only ban apps based on those statutes and leave everything else up to the preferences of the user (or, if a minor, the user's parents/guardians). That way, apps could be evaluated based on laws and the massive body of jurisprudence which has evolved around those laws. Ideally those laws are the product of the consensus of each nation's people and culture – a standard which is (for me) infinitely preferable to what someone in Cupertino decides I should be looking at.
 

ppilone

macrumors 6502
Jan 20, 2008
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Nearly everyone who's alive today has presumably descended from a gene pool that views sex rather favorably, despite what they may say in public.

Wow - most generalized statement in awhile? I'm proud of my gene pool, which is continuing on favorably - but I don't think my grandmom would be to happy sifting through the porn apps on iTunes.
 

NinjaHERO

macrumors 6502a
Aug 29, 2008
971
1,243
U S of A
C'mon, somebody give me a good reason that's not as dumb as all of the ones posted so far.......

Apple's target demographic is family friendly. The added business of porn would not compare to the loss of family business they depend on. That's just my opinion.
 

Queso

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Mar 4, 2006
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With some of the comments on this thread I'm beginning to seriously worry about people's mental states. This isn't hard core porn being discussed, it's a few pictures of topless girls.
 

casik

macrumors regular
Jan 18, 2007
245
5
Alberta
GOOD thats what I like to see...

I think it's simple...

Lusting after a fully clothed woman, or lusting after a naked woman (Porn or Art) is still degrading and inappropraite. Lust's excitement is the reason for such high divorce rates. Porn or Nudity isn't the addiction. Lust is. There is no difference between looking at a naked woman lustfully or looking at a fully dressed woman lustfuly.

Good job Apple... I was getting a little worried.
 

polaris20

macrumors 68020
Jul 13, 2008
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This kind of stuff always cracks me up. Showing women in bikinis posing provocatively and artistic nudity always seems to terrify Americans, while showing killing and mayhem and doctors picking through human remains while cracking jokes on the autopsy table seems the norm (just turn the tv on any channel in prime time). Now don't get me wrong, I enjoy violence and mayhem probably a little more than most folks (USMC Force Recon 8 years), but enough already.

Well said.

I'm glad I can still download all the games featuring killing on my iPod Touch. So much more wholesome than a girl in a bikini!
 

freediverdude

macrumors 6502a
Dec 26, 2006
573
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I don't get it. Why have the rating system then? All Apple has to do is make a separate adult section, with the disclaimer "We aren't responsible for the content in this section. The content is provided by 3rd parties." And make it so that section does not appear in the app store if the parental controls are turned on.

It's not like you can't just open safari and do a quick porn search in the car anyway.
 

jaw04005

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Aug 19, 2003
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AR
The "Porn App" story has gotten huge over the past few days. It's been one of the lead links on CNN's page for awhile now, and I'm sure it's all over every tech blog and site on the Internet.

Now I guess we could debate if topless photographs of women is considered porn.

Steve Jobs specifically pointed out that Apple wouldn't distribute apps with porn at the unveiling of the App Store in March of 2008.

Here's the clip directly from the keynote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xo9cKe_Fch8#t=4m36s

So, this shouldn't be a surprise to anyone.
 

Takeo

macrumors 6502a
Nov 10, 2004
790
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Canada
What is this "porn is a trap" BS? Exercise is a trap. Food is a trap. Religion is a trap. It's all one big trap. I have no control and no free will. Help me! I'm trapped! BS.
 

WestonHarvey1

macrumors 68030
Jan 9, 2007
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No.

Apple can do as they like. I'm not going to say they can't or shouldn't. I just question their logic on it, that's all. Are they trying to protect us from our bad thoughts about our naughty places? Is that it?

No. No, they don't want to sell pornography. They don't want it on their consciences and they don't want it on their corporate image. They don't care what you do.
 

Goona

macrumors 68020
Mar 11, 2009
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This is one of those stories that just truly brings out the Apple fanboys in this forum. What's so hysterically funny is that if Steve Jobs told half of you to watch porn, bark like a dog, and drink urine, the same people applauding this move would say "Yay Apple!" LOL

But seriously, I can understand people not wanting porn on their iPhone.
But keep in mind, your cable or satellite TV most likely has access to porn, so why not your iPhone?

And just like your cable or satellite TV, your iPhone has Parental Controls now in 3.0 to prevent children from having access.

So how could anyone in their right mind who isn't a total Apple tool/fanboy say this is a good move by Apple?

C'mon, somebody give me a good reason that's not as dumb as all of the ones posted so far.......
Damn dude there are other ways to access porn on your iphone, it ain't that serious.
 

Treq

macrumors 6502a
Apr 23, 2009
963
1,496
Santa Monica, CA
I don't get it. There wasn't any porn. The "Hottest Girls" app only had women in bikinis with a few topless pics mixed in. Where is the porn?
 

lostngone

macrumors 65816
Aug 11, 2003
1,431
3,804
Anchorage
apple is just playing with fire with this topic.

I really dont care if it has age restrictions or parental controls.

We have parental controls on TVs but that doesn't mean we can have all this XXX stuff on normal cable.

There is no reason for apple to start allowing this kind of stuff.

Why can't we have porn on cable? If you don't like it don't watch it or for that matter don't even pay for cable,

You have the tools to block it(Vchip, cable box blocks), why are you pushing your views of morality on everyone else???

If the iPhone can restrict it then why not allow it?
 

WestonHarvey1

macrumors 68030
Jan 9, 2007
2,771
2,187
ok

It's their store and they are welcome to censor what they want. It's an anti freedom move, but a smart business practice.

As long as my safari app keeps getting the P Hub, all is good.

How is it an anti-freedom move, again, for them to exercise THEIR FREEDOM to decide what they will sell? Someone please explain this to me because I'm having a lot of trouble getting it.
 

wolfshades

macrumors 6502
Nov 1, 2007
485
625
Toronto, Ontario Canada
GOOD thats what I like to see...

I think it's simple...

Lusting after a fully clothed woman, or lusting after a naked woman (Porn or Art) is still degrading and inappropraite. Lust's excitement is the reason for such high divorce rates. Porn or Nudity isn't the addiction. Lust is. There is no difference between looking at a naked woman lustfully or looking at a fully dressed woman lustfuly.

Good job Apple... I was getting a little worried.

If you weren't so patently serious about your statement, I'd mistake you for a troll. We are human beings with sexual impulses (a.k.a. lustful appetites). If you didn't lust after a fully clothed or naked woman (say, your wife or girlfriend) we'd cease to exist and the rats would take over. It sounds as if you're hoping a supreme being is looking with favour on your comments, so let me offer up something for you to think about. If a supreme being exists, there's a good chance he created us to have lust for each other. I'm pretty sure he isn't shocked when we go spank the monkey in our rooms too.

...and speaking of spanking the monkey..... *glares down at evil monkey, clearly in need of some discipline*
 
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