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Battery life and processing power are the only concerns with the Go if you want to use it as a daily driver. I believe that there are ways listed on Reddit to stretch the battery life to 7–9 hrs. However, I don’t recommend it because the device might struggle if it’s not optimized like Microsoft makes it.

A true 7” Microsoft device would suck because it’s not enough real estate for point and click imo. Plus, Microsoft products aren’t optimized enough like iPads for just tablet usage.

In reality, iOS can’t be compared to a full fledged x86 OS. The iPad Pro 2018 is too limited for my needs because of the OS not having point and click or x86 capabilities. Though the processor is sufficient enough to run some variation of OS X.

Apple’s refusal to make a touchscreen x86 experience is annoying.

From what I understand stretching the battery life involves purposefully throttling the CPU, not something I'd enjoy doing on what is arguably already an underpowered tablet.

I agree that windows on 7" isn't completely ideal. I had this setup with my Mipad 2 for a while and it wasn't as bad as you think, but certainly not optimal. The thing is I didn't find I had a need for a full OS on a 7" tablet. But then again some users like to hook up their surfaces to external monitors/KM so in that sense it still makes sense. But I've always felt that iOS' tablet "simplicity" and ease of use was really exaggerated and/or windows ease of use was unnecessarily trashed. What got to me on the Mipad was how dog slow it was, the CPU sucked and it only had 2gb of RAM. Now it's only used to play lullabies to my baby and even then I still want to break it in half.

I completely agree that iOS in many ways cannot be compared, but my comparison is based mainly on SIZE. There is no 7" windows tablet, at least not in today's market, so there really isn't a choice for me other than to either get a non-pocketable tablet like the Go and sacrifice battery life, or get a fully pocketable device like the mini 4. For that pocketable device I only need dumb tablet features, mainly consumption stuff. Of course my needs most likely differ from yours. The Go is a cool little tablet, if they could increase the battery life to a reasonable 8 hours (and I don't mean 8 hours on their video test, but 8 hours of "real world" use) and slim down the bezels to make it a physically smaller device I'd probably be all over it. In thinking about it I would probably still miss a lot of stuff that a full OS offers, even on a 7" tablet.

If Apple made a x86 touchscreen tablet you better bet I'd ditch Microsoft in a heartbeat. It will never happen though as it would cannibalize their sales and their goal to make the consumer believe they need 2 devices. What really bums me out about the ipads and ipad pros is how crappy their peripheral setup (or lack of it) is. No SD cards. Only a single connector, even if they make is USB-C you will still need a dongle to run multiple devices. No mouse support at all. Peripherals such as their branded keyboard are AWFUL, simply atrocious. If Apple wants to market the ipad pro as a PC replacement they need to step up to the plate and make it a PC replacement.


As an aside I must say that Microsoft finally hit it with the surface pro 6, I'm finally really enjoying it. The battery life is phenomenal, not far off the ipad pro's battery life in "real world" use and I find myself not worrying about battery life anymore. I've always said the sticking point for the surface pro to be a better device all around was battery life, and it seems we are finally here. If Microsoft applies this to the Go I can see it becoming an incredible little tablet.
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I think the iPad mini will be a budget device.
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I agree with this. I think it will loose the laminated display.

Yeah most likely for that price range. The question is why would anyone upgrade to the new mini then? Surely Apple will throw something in there to entice buyers, or I suppose they could just stop selling the mini 4 and force new buyers to the mini 5. But for us existing users (I have 3 mini 4's at home) I don't see a proc upgrade as making me want to go buy a new mini 5. My mini 4's run just fine with everything I throw at them, including iOS 12 and even games. Maybe iOS13 will make the new proc necessary, but I hope we aren't forced to downgrade our screens.
 
Again. I disagree.
It's just that we are in a Mac Forum.
The iPad market share is minimal, and tablets in general are useless to most people.
Some have Kindles or similar.

A third of the tablet market is minimal?
 
From what I understand stretching the battery life involves purposefully throttling the CPU, not something I'd enjoy doing on what is arguably already an underpowered tablet.

I agree that windows on 7" isn't completely ideal. I had this setup with my Mipad 2 for a while and it wasn't as bad as you think, but certainly not optimal. The thing is I didn't find I had a need for a full OS on a 7" tablet. But then again some users like to hook up their surfaces to external monitors/KM so in that sense it still makes sense. But I've always felt that iOS' tablet "simplicity" and ease of use was really exaggerated and/or windows ease of use was unnecessarily trashed. What got to me on the Mipad was how dog slow it was, the CPU sucked and it only had 2gb of RAM. Now it's only used to play lullabies to my baby and even then I still want to break it in half.

I completely agree that iOS in many ways cannot be compared, but my comparison is based mainly on SIZE. There is no 7" windows tablet, at least not in today's market, so there really isn't a choice for me other than to either get a non-pocketable tablet like the Go and sacrifice battery life, or get a fully pocketable device like the mini 4. For that pocketable device I only need dumb tablet features, mainly consumption stuff. Of course my needs most likely differ from yours. The Go is a cool little tablet, if they could increase the battery life to a reasonable 8 hours (and I don't mean 8 hours on their video test, but 8 hours of "real world" use) and slim down the bezels to make it a physically smaller device I'd probably be all over it. In thinking about it I would probably still miss a lot of stuff that a full OS offers, even on a 7" tablet.

If Apple made a x86 touchscreen tablet you better bet I'd ditch Microsoft in a heartbeat. It will never happen though as it would cannibalize their sales and their goal to make the consumer believe they need 2 devices. What really bums me out about the ipads and ipad pros is how crappy their peripheral setup (or lack of it) is. No SD cards. Only a single connector, even if they make is USB-C you will still need a dongle to run multiple devices. No mouse support at all. Peripherals such as their branded keyboard are AWFUL, simply atrocious. If Apple wants to market the ipad pro as a PC replacement they need to step up to the plate and make it a PC replacement.


As an aside I must say that Microsoft finally hit it with the surface pro 6, I'm finally really enjoying it. The battery life is phenomenal, not far off the ipad pro's battery life in "real world" use and I find myself not worrying about battery life anymore. I've always said the sticking point for the surface pro to be a better device all around was battery life, and it seems we are finally here. If Microsoft applies this to the Go I can see it becoming an incredible little tablet.
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Yeah most likely for that price range. The question is why would anyone upgrade to the new mini then? Surely Apple will throw something in there to entice buyers, or I suppose they could just stop selling the mini 4 and force new buyers to the mini 5. But for us existing users (I have 3 mini 4's at home) I don't see a proc upgrade as making me want to go buy a new mini 5. My mini 4's run just fine with everything I throw at them, including iOS 12 and even games. Maybe iOS13 will make the new proc necessary, but I hope we aren't forced to downgrade our screens.
Apart from having a newer chip and in turn getting longer support I really don’t see the mini 5 having anything over my mini 4. I’d hate to be forced into downgrading her screen just to get a current device.
 
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The first leaked images just came in people!

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Weird, i expected Anger Danger to post something like this :)
 
From what I understand stretching the battery life involves purposefully throttling the CPU, not something I'd enjoy doing on what is arguably already an underpowered tablet.

I agree that windows on 7" isn't completely ideal. I had this setup with my Mipad 2 for a while and it wasn't as bad as you think, but certainly not optimal. The thing is I didn't find I had a need for a full OS on a 7" tablet. But then again some users like to hook up their surfaces to external monitors/KM so in that sense it still makes sense. But I've always felt that iOS' tablet "simplicity" and ease of use was really exaggerated and/or windows ease of use was unnecessarily trashed. What got to me on the Mipad was how dog slow it was, the CPU sucked and it only had 2gb of RAM. Now it's only used to play lullabies to my baby and even then I still want to break it in half.

I completely agree that iOS in many ways cannot be compared, but my comparison is based mainly on SIZE. There is no 7" windows tablet, at least not in today's market, so there really isn't a choice for me other than to either get a non-pocketable tablet like the Go and sacrifice battery life, or get a fully pocketable device like the mini 4. For that pocketable device I only need dumb tablet features, mainly consumption stuff. Of course my needs most likely differ from yours. The Go is a cool little tablet, if they could increase the battery life to a reasonable 8 hours (and I don't mean 8 hours on their video test, but 8 hours of "real world" use) and slim down the bezels to make it a physically smaller device I'd probably be all over it. In thinking about it I would probably still miss a lot of stuff that a full OS offers, even on a 7" tablet.

If Apple made a x86 touchscreen tablet you better bet I'd ditch Microsoft in a heartbeat. It will never happen though as it would cannibalize their sales and their goal to make the consumer believe they need 2 devices. What really bums me out about the ipads and ipad pros is how crappy their peripheral setup (or lack of it) is. No SD cards. Only a single connector, even if they make is USB-C you will still need a dongle to run multiple devices. No mouse support at all. Peripherals such as their branded keyboard are AWFUL, simply atrocious. If Apple wants to market the ipad pro as a PC replacement they need to step up to the plate and make it a PC replacement.


As an aside I must say that Microsoft finally hit it with the surface pro 6, I'm finally really enjoying it. The battery life is phenomenal, not far off the ipad pro's battery life in "real world" use and I find myself not worrying about battery life anymore. I've always said the sticking point for the surface pro to be a better device all around was battery life, and it seems we are finally here. If Microsoft applies this to the Go I can see it becoming an incredible little tablet.
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Yeah most likely for that price range. The question is why would anyone upgrade to the new mini then? Surely Apple will throw something in there to entice buyers, or I suppose they could just stop selling the mini 4 and force new buyers to the mini 5. But for us existing users (I have 3 mini 4's at home) I don't see a proc upgrade as making me want to go buy a new mini 5. My mini 4's run just fine with everything I throw at them, including iOS 12 and even games. Maybe iOS13 will make the new proc necessary, but I hope we aren't forced to downgrade our screens.


I actually had some reservations on missing out on the Surface Pro 6 for only about $100 more than the Go, but then I said it wasn’t worth the hassle since I am comfortable with the Go for portability. Plus then Microsoft gave me a discount on top of the Black Friday price I paid, so all in all, I don’t regret getting a Go.
 
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I think Apple will keep USB-C Pro only for a while. They will likely add Pencil 1 support to the mini, which I would buy in a minute for work. Since it won’t be marketed as a desktop/laptop replacement, no need for USB-C — keep it compatible with the iPhone for most users, just like the iPad.

While you maybe right, i think that would be a big mistake as it would create fragmentation amongst their iPad lineup.

two pencils for sale? which one do you get for which device? want to upgrade from your Mini 5 to Pro? rebuy your pencil? it would be in Apple's better sales interest to keep the products as uniform as possible.

I can understand possibly not putting the fastest CPU/GPU combo in the smaller mini5, but it should follow the same design language and accessory compatibility as the rest of their lineup.
 
I know the deal with the GPS being baked into the cell capable models only - but I think it would be a winning decision to allow all mini's to have gps available. The mini's form factor is the perfect form factor for travel. Being able to route a walking trip through a foreign city would be awesome.
 
I know the deal with the GPS being baked into the cell capable models only - but I think it would be a winning decision to allow all mini's to have gps available. The mini's form factor is the perfect form factor for travel. Being able to route a walking trip through a foreign city would be awesome.

The WiFi mini doesn’t have GPS now?

While I agree, being able to route an offline walking trip on a mini, from a safety perspective it’s worse than the phone, making it obvious you don’t know where you are or where you’re going and therefore vulnerable. The Apple Watch is likely the best tool for that — if only the watch would pair with the mini. I’d love to see Apple open up that option now that the cellular watch no longer needs the iPhone.
 
The WiFi mini doesn’t have GPS now?

While I agree, being able to route an offline walking trip on a mini, from a safety perspective it’s worse than the phone, making it obvious you don’t know where you are or where you’re going and therefore vulnerable. The Apple Watch is likely the best tool for that — if only the watch would pair with the mini. I’d love to see Apple open up that option now that the cellular watch no longer needs the iPhone.

The cellular watch still need iPhone for certain apps.
 
I for one am absolutely delighted to see ipad mini is getting updated. I find mine to be indispensable, and I especially love them for travel.
 
The WiFi mini doesn’t have GPS now?

While I agree, being able to route an offline walking trip on a mini, from a safety perspective it’s worse than the phone, making it obvious you don’t know where you are or where you’re going and therefore vulnerable. The Apple Watch is likely the best tool for that — if only the watch would pair with the mini. I’d love to see Apple open up that option now that the cellular watch no longer needs the iPhone.

thanks for the note of concern. My travel companion is Chuck Noris. We'll be ok.
 
The WiFi mini doesn’t have GPS now?

While I agree, being able to route an offline walking trip on a mini, from a safety perspective it’s worse than the phone, making it obvious you don’t know where you are or where you’re going and therefore vulnerable. The Apple Watch is likely the best tool for that — if only the watch would pair with the mini. I’d love to see Apple open up that option now that the cellular watch no longer needs the iPhone.

Only the cellular one has a GPS. I experimented with using a mini as my vehicle navigation using my iPhone as the data source.
 
Yeah, but the question is...will the 10” be the same physical size as the 9.7 but with a bigger display and thinner bezels? Same for the ipad mini. Will Apple keep it 7.9” but with slimmer bezels (so smaller physical size) or increase screen size to 8.5” and keep the same physical size but with slimmer bezels. Hmmm.

Here's a thought. Many car infotainment systems, on top of supporting Android Auto and CarPlay, run either a proprietary Linux-based system or (at least in the case of Honda, Volvo and some others) Android. If Apple, instead of making a new car, or making a new iPad mini, instead created an Infotainment operating system (hopefully capable of still supporting Android Auto) that it sold to cars as an embedded option. It'd get the same 5-7 years of updates support and probably still be a viable system thereafter. That'd be cool, right?
 
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Right, but I don’t think there’s any reason why those apps can’t be ported for the iPad.



Interesting. Doesn’t the regular 9.7” iPad have GPS?

Not sure, I don't own one, only have a few mini's lying around the house.
 
Mini's are used everywhere for point of sale terminals, digital signage, remote control surfaces - it's been desperate need of an update for a long time now!

Not every computing device is used directly by an end user.
 
Love the ipad mini form factor. Can’t wait until they release this new one. I definitely will be upgrading my ipad mini 5 for sure.
 
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