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That’s correct, Apple said apps are not allowed to limit functionality based on whether users allow them to track or not. I’m guessing what will probably happen is they’ll have to include a message to the user saying that tracking keeps the app free to use, and that if too many users forbid tracking, they’ll have make the app paid. Not sure how effective that will be. Apps will probably start getting much more expensive, or I should say they will start costing their true cost.

I do think there should be a way for developers to offer two versions of their app, a paid/non-tracking version and a free/tracking-required version, so that customers have the option. As of the new rules, it seems like the tracking-required version won’t be possible.
So ppl will have to pay to not being tracked and ad free. Thats even more profitable as as the ad bussiness plan :)
 
Exactly. Everyone giving kudos to Apple is falling for its marketing. Apple is making a virtue of increasing a tiny bit of privacy knowing full well there are other ways for companies to track us. In time, Apple will block some of these while leaving other tracking methods untouched.

This is not about privacy. This is about Apple pretending to be the privacy champion for their own profit.

No, it means Google is abiding by the new guidelines, and that they opted to not track (via this particular means), rather than have to ask to track. Whether they have some workaround remains to be seen.

It’s a very cynical and unsubstantiated view to call Apple virtue signaling here when they are taking concrete steps to promote transparency and user control. It’s a complex issue for sure and this won’t completely solve it, but it makes a significant impact. The evidence for that is in the reaction of Facebook. Yes, Apple may be profiting as well, but as a consumer I don’t care about that. I only care if they’re taking action steps to protect my data.
Actually, in a way I do care if Apple profits from taking a stand for consumer privacy. I NEED them to profit from it, because it means that we have mutual benefit. A company’s touting cannot itself be believed—financial motivation is the only way that a consumer can know (short of learning computer science and inspecting all of Apple’s inner workings) that a company’s claims are true. I can reasonably trust that Apple's privacy claims are real, because they stand to lose money if they aren’t, and stand to gain money if they are, because their business model is set up to monetize our privacy, not our data. I don’t trust any company, I only trust their need for money.
 
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So ppl will have to pay to not being tracked and ad free. Thats even more profitable as as the ad bussiness plan :)
Potentially, yep! Depends how they price the app. Choice between paying and allowing tracking would be the most ideal situation between the consumer and the developer.
 
So ppl will have to pay to not being tracked and ad free. Thats even more profitable as as the ad bussiness plan :)

I would be happy to pay a low monthly fee of about 2 bucks for Instagram to be honest in exchange for an ad-free version with ALL trackers disabled. I started to use "Friendly+" but it is horrible for uploading content, therefore I still need both installed. Instagram is the worst or in their point of view best, when it comes to targeting. I find it downright creepy how specific their ads are and sometimes wonder how they even know. I personally still do not believe that they don't share data from WhatsApp. it is just impossible. I tell my bf to buy butter and suddenly I get butter branded advertisement on instagram or I receive and set up my new iPhone and a day later my instagram feed is full of ads for iPhone cases.
 
That Facebook ad that they had about how they wanted to keep using my information is exactly the reason why I decided to leave Facebook. And Gmail.

Termination set for next weekend!
 
If a user selects "Ask App not to Track," Apple will block the app's developer from accessing the user's IDFA. The developer is also required to respect the user's tracking preference in general, meaning that they cannot use other methods to track the user, or else their app may face removal from the App Store, according to Apple.
Music for my ears (eyes). Finally!

On a side note, the whole business model is wrong and need to change. But we'll get there someday, hopefully.
 
Actually, in a way I do care if Apple profits from taking a stand for consumer privacy. I NEED them to profit from it, because it means that we have mutual benefit. A company’s touting cannot itself be believed—financial motivation is the only way that a consumer can know (short of learning computer science and inspecting all of Apple’s inner workings) that a company’s claims are true. I can reasonably trust that Apple's privacy claims are real, because they stand to lose money if they aren’t, and stand to gain money if they are, because their business model is set up to monetize our privacy, not our data. I don’t trust any company, I only trust their need for money.
That’s a good take on the issue. However, we continue to be tracked on iOS and Apple could block many other tracking methods if it chose to. Except that would deprive it of ammunition to use in future to show its ongoing commitment to privacy (or as you nicely put it, profit)...
 
I support this initiative, but would like to know

a) Does that mean we will be forced to accept being tracked because unless we agree to share our details we can't use an app?

b) Do the same rules apply to Apple and it's apps and services, or will it still sit above all others with complete access to all that we see and do, but not have it all to themselves?
 
I noticed Apple didn't embolden one of the options like they normally do, though they put "ask not to track" first.
 
I support this initiative, but would like to know

a) Does that mean we will be forced to accept being tracked because unless we agree to share our details we can't use an app?

b) Do the same rules apply to Apple and it's apps and services, or will it still sit above all others with complete access to all that we see and do, but not have it all to themselves?

In regards to a) I think that may happen eventually. This is probably going to get quite ugly.
 
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Am I missing something here? To me, what this above statement says, is that Google isn’t going to abide by the new guidelines...
Google stated it will stop collecting information.
You don’t need to ask permission for something that you are not doing.
 
Exactly. Everyone giving kudos to Apple is falling for its marketing. Apple is making a virtue of increasing a tiny bit of privacy knowing full well there are other ways for companies to track us. In time, Apple will block some of these while leaving other tracking methods untouched.

This is not about privacy. This is about Apple pretending to be the privacy champion for their own profit.
Are you suggesting that not doing anything would be a better approach?
 
Exactly. Everyone giving kudos to Apple is falling for its marketing. Apple is making a virtue of increasing a tiny bit of privacy knowing full well there are other ways for companies to track us. In time, Apple will block some of these while leaving other tracking methods untouched.

This is not about privacy. This is about Apple pretending to be the privacy champion for their own profit.
Apple's terms say that the IDFA is gated by the prompt, but apps must prompt the user before doing any tracking, and must respect the user choice without limiting application functionality.

Past behavior by Apple makes me think this has plenty of teeth, from giving large application vendors an ultimatum to remove functionality to keep their app int he store, to detecting third party frameworks that track users and informing all apps using that framework to make changes or be removed.
 
If your business relies on sneaky covert data collection then you need to rethink your business. Bravo Apple.
If your business relies on bringing your product to a well targeted audience, unfortunately this will affect your business as well - a lot. Many small companies relying on FB algorithms will be severly affected. Don't get me wrong - I'm all for privacy, but this news is not just sunshine & rainbows...
 
It won’t be able to accedd the IDFA but still able to access Hardware ID. I would rather be able to block apps from knowing my unique hardware identifier
 
Instead of the “ask app not to track” text, I’d rather it said “tell app not to track” or “force app not to track”.
You’re deciding whether or not to receive the pop up asking if the app can track you. If you turn that off, they are not allowed to ask and told they cannot track you.
 

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Some people don’t use the app and have a shortcut to the webpage on their Home Screen. For those people, I’m sure they’ll still be tracked.
 
Quite frankly, whether or not Apple is being altruistic here, or Google and Facebook are being nefarious, is kind of a moot point. We live in 2021 where just about everything about our lives is tracked and recorded. That's part of living in an age of technology and being a citizen in this world. If you use social media, more of your life is tracked. If not, you're still being tracked by NSA and others.
 
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